the need at safety

[Sharkinva]

Skinz... I will only say this. Its a whole lot easier to blame the O-line and the previous coach for Griffins struggles than for some fans to admit that alot of the problems last year started with him. So Im embracing it, we got a new coach, we are bringing in a better O-line. And all reports say RG3 is progressing fabulously. So there should be NO excuses if this team does not take a drastic leap forward right?? Cant say he doesnt have the weapons. Cant blame the coach for holding him back. At least the excuse squad will have the handy it was the defenses fault card to play though right?? As i stated, I hope they give him everything he needs. Because Im tired of the excuses made. We traded for a franchise QB, now all he has to do is prove it.

 

[gkekoa]

The only issue I take with your post is that no matter what the doc or RG3 were saying, anyone watching that game could clearly see he was hurt and was ineffective. Shanahan should have pulled him at halftime no matter what anyone else was telling him.

So, let's say RG3 was pulled and both RG3 and the greatest doctor in the world stated he was good to go. How do you think RG 3 would have responded?

 

[gkekoa]

I have also been critical of RG3's off field actions over the last year. But to say that just because he is paid millions he should be experienced in life matters and immune to making immature mistakes at 22 or 23 is an ignorant statement at best. Money can't buy experience. I'll leave it at that.

His mistakes are nothing new. You don't get the luxury of these mistakes when you are taking millions from another.

 

[gkekoa]

who cares about your damn resumes?

GK is acting foolish with his statements . RG3 had enough on his plate rehabbing his injury . studying film and the playbook is all good and well but you have to be on the practice field and get hands on to make it work .

GK you must have been an officer in the military because you dont know jack shit about training you need all elements in play to become efficient .

Rg3 signed a contract with addias or nike . he made a commercial about "being all in by week one " how else was he to earn the money ? dereck rose made a commercial similar to that but i dont hear "selfish self promoter being bantored about

they made a logo for him . so what ? rg3 has lived at the facility all off season just as he did last season

what a guy cant get married GK? he needs to be strapped into a film room for 12 hours a day before you feel he did what he could

to me if he puts 8-10 hours a day per week in his craft he is doing the right thing and i have no doubts he did that

and what about expectations . as good as peyton manning is , is he a bust for only having 1 championship in his entire football LIFE ? he was a number 1 overall and all he has the same number of championships as dilfer ? flacco ? rypien ? brad johnson ?

sure Rg3 said some things he would love to take back and reword . . having money doesnt insta/make you savvy . it doesnt prevent you from being 22/23 and making mistakes

i cant wait till the season begins and hopefully Rg3's play will put this silliness to bed

It's getting old having you act like you know what ACL rehab is about. He wasn't working out 8 hours a day on the leg because that would cause excessive stress on an injured leg. Studying film and the play book would have taken care of many of his problems last season. You have to learn how to separate individual facets of the game.

Of course I was an officer. I guess you are stating enlisted can't separate individual issues.

I don't care about Mr. injury Rose and this is a Redskin's board.

He can get married but like other jobs, that can't interfere with the career. Take two weeks...get married...but get back to putting 10 hours a day into your career.

Your problem is blind devotion and being anything but objective.

 

[skinz2winz]

So, let's say RG3 was pulled and both RG3 and the greatest doctor in the world stated he was good to go. How do you think RG 3 would have responded?

Who cares how he would have responded. As an organization and presumably leader (Shanahan) of the organization, you sit him because you protect the valuable asset you gave up so much for not to mention the players future. If a 20 year vet coach like Shanahan couldn't recognize his QB wasn't at full strength based on workouts, daily practices and personal workouts, then shame on him and he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. And no, I'm not using Shanahan as the sole scape goat either. He is gone and I for one am glad we don't have to put up with his relentless control freak tenancies before, during and after games.

If your Son had a severe knee injury as Griffin had (You know your Son better than anyone), would you have put him back in harms way without your own biased opinion knowing full well, he clearly was not ready? It seems wins were more important than the future of your own Son if you had. And don't give me the Dr. Andrews BS either!

 

[Caliskinsfan]

It's strange to me all this bickering regarding WHERE the most fault lays with regards to last seasons miserable 3-13 record. It is what it is.

My take is that EVERYONE had a hand in it.

It seems very apparent that errors occurred in every facet of the game, from coaching, to talent, to bad luck, to salary cap, to bizarre ingredients that led to the perfect media storm of "circus" that seems to only happen on the national stage in DC and Dallas.

Time to turn the page regarding blame. I understand caution and the cynicism about not repeating past mistakes. I am not advocating being delusional with regards to success next year - but there seems to be a lot of positive moves this squad has made so far.

I am an eternal optimist, I actually think that is a primary ingredient of a long time skins fan.

 

[Sharkinva]

It's strange to me all this bickering regarding WHERE the most fault lays with regards to last seasons miserable 3-13 record. It is what it is.

My take is that EVERYONE had a hand in it.

It seems very apparent that errors occurred in every facet of the game, from coaching, to talent, to bad luck, to salary cap, to bizarre ingredients that led to the perfect media storm of "circus" that seems to only happen on the national stage in DC and Dallas.

Time to turn the page regarding blame. I understand caution and the cynicism about not repeating past mistakes. I am not advocating being delusional with regards to success next year - but there seems to be a lot of positive moves this squad has made so far.

I am an eternal optimist, I actually think that is a primary ingredient of a long time skins fan.

Cali... the reason you need to accurately identify where things went wrong is to that you can adequately fix the problem going forward. I will give you an example.

Last year Dallas fired Rob Ryan saying he was the main problem with the defense. They then hired a new coach, brought in a new system and proceeded to tank. Meanwhile Rob went and took the Saints from worst in the league in 2012 to top 5 last year.

Blaming the guy who just left or got fired makes the fans feel all warm and fuzzy and shows support for the guys you kept. But in reality just like in real life, the guys who didnt get fired usually had alot more to do with what went wrong than any one will flat out admit.

 

[gkekoa]

Dad, these guys have to and will continue to point the blame at Griffin simply because he is the easy target after last years debacle. While Griffin may be the main coarse, there are many ingredients that obviously factored into the Shanahan demise including himself. Never mind Shanahan's time had passed and he obviously clinged on to his guys regardless of how ineffective they were. These guys can't move on and embrace a new direction under Gruden and our leader, Griffin. It will also not matter to guys like Shark when the Skins lose this year as the result will presumably be Griffins fault somehow. Guys like him are predictable every time this subject is discussed.

Who is blaming RG3 alone? I already stated he is the reason we won the division two years ago. If he is the reason we won the division, when his play is horrible, he is also the reason we lost. Everything hinges on RG3 because he has that much talent.

Shanahan won a division title with a rookie QB. YOU MUST BE RIGHT. his time had passed.

You seem to think being critical means we haven't embraced something...I call it being awake.

 

[gkekoa]

Who cares how he would have responded. As an organization and presumably leader (Shanahan) of the organization, you sit him because you protect the valuable asset you gave up so much for not to mention the players future. If a 20 year vet coach like Shanahan couldn't recognize his QB wasn't at full strength based on workouts, daily practices and personal workouts, then shame on him and he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. And no, I'm not using Shanahan as the sole scape goat either. He is gone and I for one am glad we don't have to put up with his relentless control freak tenancies before, during and after games.

If your Son had a severe knee injury as Griffin had (You know your Son better than anyone), would you have put him back in harms way without your own biased opinion knowing full well, he clearly was not ready? It seems wins were more important than the future of your own Son if you had. And don't give me the Dr. Andrews BS either!

The son analogy is the most ignorant statement I have seen. Shanahan's job is to win games...not baby a player.

How often do people play at 100%? They don't. You go by what the doctors say and the player.

If KC had come in, and we won the game, who starts the next game? What happens to RG3s confidence? Does he go cry to the media or Snyder? Probably.

 

[skinsdad62]

It's getting old having you act like you know what ACL rehab is about. He wasn't working out 8 hours a day on the leg because that would cause excessive stress on an injured leg. Studying film and the play book would have taken care of many of his problems last season. You have to learn how to separate individual facets of the game.

Of course I was an officer. I guess you are stating enlisted can't separate individual issues.

I don't care about Mr. injury Rose and this is a Redskin's board.

He can get married but like other jobs, that can't interfere with the career. Take two weeks...get married...but get back to putting 10 hours a day into your career.

Your problem is blind devotion and being anything but objective.

how do you know GK he didnt put the study of film in ? what you cant get through that officer mentality of yours where the metal meets the pavement is that you need to have hands on to take what you have learned in the class room and apply it .

its one thing to see it on tape ,its a whole different animal to execute it live . he didnt get live reps last season in minicamp or in TC . he took a whole lot of "mental reps"

and stop with the "blind devotion crap " as a way to dismiss me . that is a losers statement . niether you nor i knows what he did during his off season last season . perhaps his knee rehab included other parts of his body as well . you think he just did knee knee knee? how do you know he did or didnt study film ? you dont

all reports were last off season he was at the park 8-10 hours per day excepting weekends . most people get 2 days off a week . the reports here is that he is doing the same

i bet that is on par with every other player in the nfl

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Cali... the reason you need to accurately identify where things went wrong is to that you can adequately fix the problem going forward. I will give you an example.

Last year Dallas fired Rob Ryan saying he was the main problem with the defense. They then hired a new coach, brought in a new system and proceeded to tank. Meanwhile Rob went and took the Saints from worst in the league in 2012 to top 5 last year.

Blaming the guy who just left or got fired makes the fans feel all warm and fuzzy and shows support for the guys you kept. But in reality just like in real life, the guys who didnt get fired usually had alot more to do with what went wrong than any one will flat out admit.

Couldn't agree with you more. My disconnect is the arguing as to WHO is right. Oh well, I guess that is why we have message boards. I like the opinions and thoughts, I just don't understand why it seems impossible for a select few to disagree with respect.

 

[Sharkinva]

Couldn't agree with you more. My disconnect is the arguing as to WHO is right. Oh well, I guess that is why we have message boards. I like the opinions and thoughts, I just don't understand why it seems impossible for a select few to disagree with respect.

I have noticed that those of us who are older than 30 and served in the Military tend to be the most stubborn on a point. Might be something there.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I have noticed that those of us who are older than 30 and served in the Military tend to be the most stubborn on a point. Might be something there.

Hahaha! Probably does indeed play into it. And I guess girls are taught to play nicer, tho I've met my share of nasty ones.

Continue on...by all means...

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I think I would be in agreement with Shark and GK about Griffin's past year if he was healthy.
Griffin showed his worth as rookie despite having NO elite pieces or even his #1WR for most of the year.
Luck, Wilson, Dalton and Kap(2nd yr starter) all had established offensive weapons.
If Mike pulls Griffin out of the Seattle game win or lose, this past season could have been better.
If Mike sits Griffin for the first 2 games, this past season could have been better.

 

[gkekoa]

how do you know GK he didnt put the study of film in ? what you cant get through that officer mentality of yours where the metal meets the pavement is that you need to have hands on to take what you have learned in the class room and apply it .

its one thing to see it on tape ,its a whole different animal to execute it live . he didnt get live reps last season in minicamp or in TC . he took a whole lot of "mental reps"

and stop with the "blind devotion crap " as a way to dismiss me . that is a losers statement . niether you nor i knows what he did during his off season last season . perhaps his knee rehab included other parts of his body as well . you think he just did knee knee knee? how do you know he did or didnt study film ? you dont

all reports were last off season he was at the park 8-10 hours per day excepting weekends . most people get 2 days off a week . the reports here is that he is doing the same

i bet that is on par with every other player in the nfl

What makes you believe he did the film study? I can count numerous times where he threw to the wrong position and made the wrong read last season (playbook related). You can't find a place that screams...this is where he did film study.

I agree he didn't get time in TC but many on here even think we should have held him out the first couple of games of the season...then what happens.

You are the one who keeps bringing up the knee rehab. You don't do upper body training to rehab a knee. Did he still workout? I'm sure he did because that makes sense. What separates players is doing the things that aren't as much fun, such as studying.

The reports can claim whatever they want. Just because he's here, doesn't mean he's doing what's needed. It all comes down to what happens on the field. Last season, it didn't show at all.

Show me where I have said anything negative about what he's doing this offseason. I didn't even comment on the logo...which I think is rather cool. I will reserve my judgment of this offseason when I see him in the regular season.

 

[skinz2winz]

The son analogy is the most ignorant statement I have seen. Shanahan's job is to win games...not baby a player.

How often do people play at 100%? They don't. You go by what the doctors say and the player.

If KC had come in, and we won the game, who starts the next game? What happens to RG3s confidence? Does he go cry to the media or Snyder? Probably.

Lol, ok GK, I guess the analogy was ignorant... All though I have to admit I have seen more ignorant statements on here that would top mine, including some of yours but don't recollect pointing them out to you. How about we agree to disagree rather than slander?

Shanahan's job was to win games all though, he had the utmost responsibility to the organization and player to protect the valuable commodity regardless of winning a game or not. He failed on all accounts to do that. When we are talking about QB's, unless a knee injury is 100%, they are not playing. It's a knee, not a bruised rib or stubbed toe.

 

[skinsdad62]

What makes you believe he did the film study? I can count numerous times where he threw to the wrong position and made the wrong read last season (playbook related). You can't find a place that screams...this is where he did film study.

I agree he didn't get time in TC but many on here even think we should have held him out the first couple of games of the season...then what happens.

You are the one who keeps bringing up the knee rehab. You don't do upper body training to rehab a knee. Did he still workout? I'm sure he did because that makes sense. What separates players is doing the things that aren't as much fun, such as studying.

The reports can claim whatever they want. Just because he's here, doesn't mean he's doing what's needed. It all comes down to what happens on the field. Last season, it didn't show at all.

Show me where I have said anything negative about what he's doing this offseason. I didn't even comment on the logo...which I think is rather cool. I will reserve my judgment of this offseason when I see him in the regular season.

every qb in the nfl makes poor reads . you cant name one who doesnt . manning probably made 10 poor reads in our game alone either in the running game or passing

so what was he doing at the park GK playing fucking tidly winks last off season ? what kind of sense does that make ?

it didnt show because he couldnt apply the concepts of what he saw on film onto the practice field and hone the skill . it could have been that throws you saw as poor reads were really mechanical issues

it takes many throws to make a concept on film become like 2nd nature in the game and training is your only real defense against the speed of the nfl game

how the hell do you know if the wr didnt make the wrong read ? or the o/lineman bungle the protection calls ?

answer you dont anymore then i do

 

[Sharkinva]

every qb in the nfl makes poor reads . you cant name one who doesnt . manning probably made 10 poor reads in our game alone either in the running game or passing

so what was he doing at the park GK playing fucking tidly winks last off season ? what kind of sense does that make ?

it didnt show because he couldnt apply the concepts of what he saw on film onto the practice field and hone the skill . it could have been that throws you saw as poor reads were really mechanical issues

it takes many throws to make a concept on film become like 2nd nature in the game and training is your only real defense against the speed of the nfl game

how the hell do you know if the wr didnt make the wrong read ? or the o/lineman bungle the protection calls ?

answer you dont anymore then i do

I will say two things on this.

1. I have seen many people who are naturally gifted at sports and spend hours training, but dont feel they need to adjust what has worked for them in the past. Tebow was considered a guy always at the facility and a work out warrior. But he never adjusted his game.

2. I can understand the early mechanics struggles as he was trying to recover from the knee injury. But as the season wore on and his speed slowly came back, his mechanics actually got worse. Which again would lead one to MAYBE think he was not really working on the right fundamentals from week to week. Now I know you will say well then the coaches job was to correct that. But a coach can only do so much Tuesday - Friday if on Sunday the player for what ever reason reverts back to old bad habits. And Shanahan got crucified for benching RG3 to try and protect him from injury. You guys would have driven up to his house and lynched the man had he benched RG3 for performance reasons.

 

[gkekoa]

every qb in the nfl makes poor reads . you cant name one who doesnt . manning probably made 10 poor reads in our game alone either in the running game or passing

so what was he doing at the park GK playing fucking tidly winks last off season ? what kind of sense does that make ?

it didnt show because he couldnt apply the concepts of what he saw on film onto the practice field and hone the skill . it could have been that throws you saw as poor reads were really mechanical issues

it takes many throws to make a concept on film become like 2nd nature in the game and training is your only real defense against the speed of the nfl game

how the hell do you know if the wr didnt make the wrong read ? or the o/lineman bungle the protection calls ?

answer you dont anymore then i do

Considering a big deal was made of Mike Tomlin taking away the PS3 and phones at PITT stadium last season, tiddly winks is a real possibility.

Let's say he was working the whole time he was there...it doesn't mean he was working on the "tough stuff" such as learning the playbook and studying film.

 

[skinsdad62]

Considering a big deal was made of Mike Tomlin taking away the PS3 and phones at PITT stadium last season, tiddly winks is a real possibility.

Let's say he was working the whole time he was there...it doesn't mean he was working on the "tough stuff" such as learning the playbook and studying film.

or perhaps he did and didnt get enough training at OTA's , MINI camp and TC to apply what he learned from the film study

hands on is a crucial part of training anyone

tebow wasnt an nfl qb . he didnt have the skill set to execute it . he spent his hole life looping his arm when he threw and you couldnt coach him out of it HOF qb sonny jurgensen says you throw a football like you throw a rock people should have just let him do what came naturally to him

and again tebow has no where near the skill set RG3 has

and perhaps tebow didnt trust what he saw in game and what he saw on film

maybe RG3 didnt either i dont know but i am pretty certain RG3 studied his playbook and watched film

all reports indicate he did