Rak and Riley Update

[gkekoa]

Accept that apparently he is only asking for $5.5 a year. He is also five years younger than Jackson so also should have a longer shelf life.

He is younger but Jackson is better. You get paid for talent, not age.

 

[Sharkinva]

He is younger but Jackson is better. You get paid for talent, not age.

Have to disagree. If IM going to pay $5.5 a year, I want a reasonable assurance Im going to get a certain level of play over the life of the contract. In the case of an older talented player like Jackson, you always run the risk that this is the year age catches up with him. So while he might be more talented now, he also comes with more risk due to his age.

As far as what he brings to the team, any new guy you bring in, you have no idea what he is really going to bring to the team. Haynesworth was very talented, and we paid him as such.. and he brought squat.

Again I would suggest you read Polians take on FA and bringing in new players vs keeping your own.

On Bill Polian, free agency and the Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

 

[deanpet21]

tandler says that Riley want 7 mil per season.

 

[gkekoa]

Have to disagree. If IM going to pay $5.5 a year, I want a reasonable assurance Im going to get a certain level of play over the life of the contract. In the case of an older talented player like Jackson, you always run the risk that this is the year age catches up with him. So while he might be more talented now, he also comes with more risk due to his age.

As far as what he brings to the team, any new guy you bring in, you have no idea what he is really going to bring to the team. Haynesworth was very talented, and we paid him as such.. and he brought squat.

Again I would suggest you read Polians take on FA and bringing in new players vs keeping your own.

On Bill Polian, free agency and the Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

I agree with Polian and that's what I've said. You will notice, I didn't suggest we get the best player at a single position in FA. Most of my guys are borderline starters that are good depth...or they are guys who simply did not live up to draft position at other places. The only guy that I want with "superstar" ability is Malcolm Jenkins because I think he's underrated. If Riley is asking for 5.5 mil/season, then he should accept 5 mil/season. If he's asking for 7 mil/season, he's going to be disappointed on the market.

 

[Sharkinva]

tandler says that Riley want 7 mil per season.

And as I have said, considering what others at the position have gotten, can you blame him?? If you knew that guys doing your job were making $X per year, and your boss told you I only think you are worth half that, would you be offended? More to the point, would you stay there, or go to another company and state your case?? And before you say well he isnt worth that, you also have to figure that even if the Skins could have gotten him for five, guys have left this team numerous times because of the perception that we take care of outsiders but lowball our own.

 

[gkekoa]

But if they do their jobs better, they should be paid more.

 

[Sharkinva]

But if they do their jobs better, they should be paid more.

Yea I call BS on that. Because if guys outperform what is considered their "worth" the team isnt going to then go back and make it square with them and pay them more since they played for alot less than they are worth. And in reality more often than not when a team brings in a guy because they think he can do a better job, the team ends up burned. Look at Carr in Dallas. He isnt doing much better than the guy he replaced. But he sure got paid like it.

 

[TCB]

Ground control to Perry Riley.

Any forced fumbles last year? Nope
You had 4 more solo tackles than Josh Wilson. That might tell you how bad our Defensive Line was.

He's a decent tackler and nothing more who is trying to take advantage of the fact that London is retiring and that we will redo our ILB corps if we don't sign him. I'd rather let some of the young guys like Compton come in and get the same amount of tackles for less. Maybe they will have more than his one pick too.

 

[Sharkinva]

Ground control to Perry Riley.

Any forced fumbles last year? Nope
You had 4 more solo tackles than Josh Wilson. That might tell you how bad our Defensive Line was.

He's a decent tackler and nothing more who is trying to take advantage of the fact that London is retiring and that we will redo our ILB corps if we don't sign him. I'd rather let some of the young guys like Compton come in and get the same amount of tackles for less. Maybe they will have more than his one pick too.

Now that we got done with fantasy class, here is what i honestly expect to happen with Riley.

The Butler deal this year, along with the Lee and ellerbe deals last year have pretty much set the ceiling. the Jackson deal basically just set the floor. Now Riley will go out and explore, and the Skins will bring guys in to talk to. Riley will realize what all these ILBs are going to realize, its a limited market and a sellers market because of it. So I expect ALL of them to come in asking for some where in the range of $5.5-7 million a year. No one considering themselves a legit starter is going to accept an offer to play on the cheap. Mean While the Redskins are also going to see this and need to decide, do we pay a starter ( Two of them actually) between $5.5 and 7 million each, or do try to go cheap and grab some ones backup and hope he can start and risk it. In the end, Riley will play for some where around $5-6 million a year in DC, you will all bitch that he was over paid and life will go on. OR, the Skins will pay that kind of money for two other ILBs, the defense will look even more lost for a good part of the season andddd... you guys will bitch.

 

[j_y19]

I agree that Riley will get in the $5-6M range. It will be the skins that he signs with. We will then pick up a ILB with our 3rd round pick. He will go in penciled as our other starter this year. Robinson will give him a run for his money.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree that Riley will get in the $5-6M range. It will be the skins that he signs with. We will then pick up a ILB with our 3rd round pick. He will go in penciled as our other starter this year. Robinson will give him a run for his money.

The next year robinson stays healthy enough to challenge for a starting spot will be the first year he does. I think they resign Riley and bring in Mays or Beason. And still draft an ILB. As I said, the other option is they bring in two FA ILBs which I think will be a mess for the entire defense and just as costly. Wouldnt mind seeing Compton get some playing time. But I feel about robinson at this point like most of you feel about Carriker, why are we wasting our time.

 

[j_y19]

Just don't think we have the money to go after a 2nd ILB in FA. Got a feeling we are going to go big at satefy. That's gonna cost us.

 

[Sharkinva]

Just don't think we have the money to go after a 2nd ILB in FA. Got a feeling we are going to go big at satefy. That's gonna cost us.

Thats the main reason Im pissed that they are dicking around on the whole Rak thing. Rak likely SHOULD have been done on a long term deal that would have counted between $5.5-6 million on this years cap. Instead he is counting $11 and some change because once again our Redskins dont want to pay a guy, so we franchise tag him for fear that we might over pay on a long term deal. Thats why i say they are cutting off the nose to spite the face. $5 million in cap space would go a long way on a team desperate to fill holes.

 

[j_y19]

I get it. Franchise tag was good for neither party. There is an outside chance they could hammer out a deal before July. Of course that would be rare, but not unheard of. I really believe that they would have executed a long term deal for Rak at the beginning of last year if not for his injury. They just had to be sure that he was the same player so they let it ride until this year. Now Rak is the big fish in this year's FA period. That equals big dollars. Unfortunately for Rak, next year's market for OLBs appears to be much tougher for players. He will no longer be the big fish. The supply will be plentiful. Its in his best interest to get this deal done now that later.

 

[gkekoa]

Vinny Rey is a cheap option that played well as a limited starter for Cincy.

 

[gkekoa]

Yea I call BS on that. Because if guys outperform what is considered their "worth" the team isnt going to then go back and make it square with them and pay them more since they played for alot less than they are worth. And in reality more often than not when a team brings in a guy because they think he can do a better job, the team ends up burned. Look at Carr in Dallas. He isnt doing much better than the guy he replaced. But he sure got paid like it.

The original contracts of players are set by the CBA. You don't know the actual worth until you have played in the league. The base contracts are based off collegiate performance and you are paid accordingly.

 

[Sharkinva]

The original contracts of players are set by the CBA. You don't know the actual worth until you have played in the league. The base contracts are based off collegiate performance and you are paid accordingly.

Not talking about original contracts. Im talking about situations where a guy signs on a below market deal and ends up in the Pro Bowl, or being a key part of the team. I realize rookie deals are structured to protect the team these days. And either way I still think this team has for a long time taken a fundamentally ass backwards approach to it. Be as cheap as possible with your own and throw money at other peoples stars. Im hoping they will be as frugal next week as they are being with Rak and Riley. But deep down, I doubt it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Vinny Rey is a cheap option that played well as a limited starter for Cincy.

Considering we actually need two starters, you think its a good idea to bring in some ones backup just because he is a cheap option?? I thought the whole point was to improve the defense?? Bring him in as a backup who can compete for a starting role. But we need atleast two guys who we know can start, not two guys we hope can start but came on the cheap.

 

[gkekoa]

Considering we actually need two starters, you think its a good idea to bring in some ones backup just because he is a cheap option?? I thought the whole point was to improve the defense?? Bring him in as a backup who can compete for a starting role. But we need atleast two guys who we know can start, not two guys we hope can start but came on the cheap.

Vinny Rey played well last season as a starter. He's cheap with upside that is capable of starting.

 

[j_y19]

Considering we actually need two starters, you think its a good idea to bring in some ones backup just because he is a cheap option?? I thought the whole point was to improve the defense?? Bring him in as a backup who can compete for a starting role. But we need atleast two guys who we know can start, not two guys we hope can start but came on the cheap.

The problem is we cannot fix all holes this year. We sign Riley and plug something into the other ILB until next year. That something being a rookie or someone currently on the roster or one we can add to the roster relatively cheaply.