So if he is sitting there in the 4th or 5th, do we take Mike Sam

[Sharkinva]

If the best player available in round 2 is QB, do we take him?
I'd say every position on this team is a position of need except starting QB, RB, and OLB.

Obviously not. But then if the best player on the board is a QB at 34, some one will make us an offer and if not you would fall back to your second best player. But in no situation do you take some one at a position of need if he isnt worthy of the pick. Especially high up. Because human nature is going to have you rate those guys a little higher up simply because you have a need there to begin with. As i said, thats how you end up drafting guys like Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas within ten picks of each other because you in fact graded them higher based on your need.

Grade your top 150 players, forget about position or your particular needs. Once you have them graded, then start looking at your needs and figure out who might be there when you pick in a particular round. If you need a WR at 34, and you had one or two rated higher than 34 and they are there, you take one. Noe if you get to 34, and the best WR on the board was your 50-65 guy... you dont reach. You take the OLB you had rated in the top 20 who fell to you. Even IF you dont need an OLB, you just added good depth.

Then again a smart team is going to go into the draft with as few needs as possible to help prevent reaching. Shanahan for all his faults, was actually good at NOT basing his draft off of needs so much as perceived value. And at least while he was in DC, he hit more times than he missed.

 

[gkekoa]

You are saying what everybody else here is saying then. You aren't really for BPA...you are for BPA at a position of need...if that position of need has the player not worth the pick, then you try to trade down.


Also, everybody on these boards thought both Kelly and Thomas were top 20 picks going into the draft.

 

[martinez]

only if we dont resign rak. but im a big b jenkins fan.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are saying what everybody else here is saying then. You aren't really for BPA...you are for BPA at a position of need...if that position of need has the player not worth the pick, then you try to trade down.


Also, everybody on these boards thought both Kelly and Thomas were top 20 picks going into the draft.

IM for BPA period. The only hold to that is, if its a position that you in no way shape or form need. If the BPA when we pick at 34 happened to be teddy Bridgewater in some bizzaro world, well obviously we dont make that pick, and if we cant trade out, we move to our next PBA. But if 34 rolls up and the BPA is an OLB, I would take him, because you need good depth. I wouldnt move away from an OLB who I rated in my top 20 players to take a WR who I rated as a 50 because I needed the WR more.

 

[Sharkinva]

only if we dont resign rak. but im a big b jenkins fan.

Dude, even if we resign Rak, if Sam is sitting there in the 5th and we dont take him ,i would be irked. In the 2nd round no, unless he grades out as a rock star at the combine and in meetings. But if he is there in the 3rd or 4th I hope we take him. Can never have too many good OLBs in a 3-4 defense.

 

[gkekoa]

Dude, even if we resign Rak, if Sam is sitting there in the 5th and we dont take him ,i would be irked. In the 2nd round no, unless he grades out as a rock star at the combine and in meetings. But if he is there in the 3rd or 4th I hope we take him. Can never have too many good OLBs in a 3-4 defense.

Yes you can. We don't even know if Sam can make the transition. Jenkins was a higher rated player in last season's draft. We have two sure starters. Rob Jackson is still on the team (or is he). If Jackson is gone, it's a position of possible need but overall, we do not need another OLB.

 

[Sharkinva]

Jenkins also had injury concerns coming in which this guy doesnt.

Also Jackson is currently a Free agent. So no guarantee there

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes you can. We don't even know if Sam can make the transition. Jenkins was a higher rated player in last season's draft. We have two sure starters. Rob Jackson is still on the team (or is he). If Jackson is gone, it's a position of possible need but overall, we do not need another OLB.

i agree with shark on this . if we get to round 5 and sam is there you take him if he is the highest rated player

jackson could walk and who said that sam couldnt be an ILB ?

to me sam is a reasonable guy to take a flier on in round 5 if he is there and a higher rated guy isnt

 

[gkekoa]

I'm fine with letting Jackson go. If Sam is ranked in the fourth and he's there in the fifth...take him.

 

[martinez]

fine, i wouldnt take him in the 3rd or 4th but 5th, yeah sure.

 

[Sharkinva]

i agree with shark on this . if we get to round 5 and sam is there you take him if he is the highest rated player

jackson could walk and who said that sam couldnt be an ILB ?

to me sam is a reasonable guy to take a flier on in round 5 if he is there and a higher rated guy isnt

Once a season... this happens.

 

[Sharkinva]

fine, i wouldnt take him in the 3rd or 4th but 5th, yeah sure.

All things considered, i think he is a solid 3rd rounder ( this could change due to combine results) So if he were there in the 4th, it would not be a horrid pick by any means. In the 5th it would damn near be a steal.

 

[gkekoa]

If we give any player a grade that is two rounds above where we can get him...we do it. I don't care if it's a RB.

 

[sublime4eva]

If the guy is available and there's still a need at that spot, he'll yes.
If the guy can play, draft him, it's his personal life, I could careless how he spends it in private

 

[Sharkinva]

If the guy is available and there's still a need at that spot, he'll yes.
If the guy can play, draft him, it's his personal life, I could careless how he spends it in private

Sub... my whole point on this is, if you have a player of value fall to you, you take him even if its not a position of need. Many times the Skins have passed on the better player in an attempt to fill a need. Odds are if we resign Rak we will not have a need for Sam. But if he is there in the 4th, and there is a lesser talent at a position of need, I hope we take the player of talent over the position of need.

 

[j_y19]

Sub... my whole point on this is, if you have a player of value fall to you, you take him even if its not a position of need. Many times the Skins have passed on the better player in an attempt to fill a need. Odds are if we resign Rak we will not have a need for Sam. But if he is there in the 4th, and there is a lesser talent at a position of need, I hope we take the player of talent over the position of need.

Always take best player available. Unfortunately for us, we have enough holes that we can get a BPA at a position on need. This team needs playmakers, especially on defense, more than anything else. We need a couple of guys that when it's 3rd down on a critical drive, steps up and makes plays that gets the D off the field. We just didn't have enough of those guys in forever. You get a couple of playmakers and they make everyone else around them look better.

 

[Sharkinva]

Always take best player available. Unfortunately for us, we have enough holes that we can get a BPA at a position on need. This team needs playmakers, especially on defense, more than anything else. We need a couple of guys that when it's 3rd down on a critical drive, steps up and makes plays that gets the D off the field. We just didn't have enough of those guys in forever. You get a couple of playmakers and they make everyone else around them look better.

Its too bad SAM likely couldnt translate to ILB. But putting Rak, Jenkins, Riley, Kerrigan and SAM on the feild on 3rd and long would be nasty.

 

[Stymietee]

We have Brandon Jenkins, there is no need for Sam.
Also, Sam could have revealed his personal information in his interviews...
if he gets cut or benched or slips very late in the draft...the media could make a story out of it, that we don't need.
We are already going to get tormented this year AGAIN over "redskins"

Interesting comment.........but I am convinced that he comes to DC because of the whole name change thing. Daniel Snyder is no fool when it come to protecting his dying brand, so although I am not among those who often blames him for the misfortunes on the field, selecting or signing Sam just might be the ticket that helps convince some that keeping the name, just like signing the player gives credibility to nobler intentions. (barring getting picked by SD as the rumors go)

 

[Sharkinva]

Interesting comment.........but I am convinced that he comes to DC because of the whole name change thing. Daniel Snyder is no fool when it come to protecting his dying brand, so although I am not among those who often blames him for the misfortunes on the field, selecting or signing Sam just might be the ticket that helps convince some that keeping the name, just like signing the player gives credibility to nobler intentions. (barring getting picked by SD as the rumors go)

I got no problem with us drafting him. But I want it to be based on the fact that he can come on and help this team win. I would be just as disappointed if we drafted any one in a PR move. I think Sam is going to be a good player, be it as a rush DB or Rush OLB. I wish he played OLB now so he might be a solid transition candidate for ILB, in which case I would really hope we draft him. But only for the right reasons should we draft him.

 

[Stymietee]

I got no problem with us drafting him. But I want it to be based on the fact that he can come on and help this team win. I would be just as disappointed if we drafted any one in a PR move. I think Sam is going to be a good player, be it as a rush DB or Rush OLB. I wish he played OLB now so he might be a solid transition candidate for ILB, in which case I would really hope we draft him. But only for the right reasons should we draft him.

Again, I don't disagree with you, but let's not make any misjudgments that, there will be some who will indeed make this connection just as Skin'EmAll did when he posted. His post gave me a reason to ponder the possible reaction(s) to this team drafting Sam. I wouldn't mind them drafting him for the correct reasons either, but wonder if the PR story would take on a life of its own negating the football related reasons.