Seahawks secondary vs Peyton Manning & Company

[Money]

as i discussed with cdumler, we will see who is right. IMO, the broncos are either going to have to give help on champ's side, which is going to open up other things for the seahawks offense or if they expect him to match-up one on one with baldwin or tate or harvin, it will be ugly for champ. just my opinion though.

Harvin will be in for 2 plays tops before he has to be removed from the game. When I think of "match-up problems"...Tate or Baldwin don't really cross my mind. If Wilson plays like he did against SF, the game won't be close.

 

[STBR 27]

Harvin will be in for 2 plays tops before he has to be removed from the game. When I think of "match-up problems"...Tate or Baldwin don't really cross my mind. If Wilson plays like he did against SF, the game won't be close.

The Hawks scored 23 points against the #5 defense in yards and #3 in points, while the Broncos scored 26 against the #26 team in yards and #10 team in points. If you think this #19 in yards and #22 in scoring DEN defense will limit Wilson like SF did, you are an idiot.

 

[iknowftbll]

The Hawks scored 23 points against the #5 defense in yards and #3 in points, while the Broncos scored 26 against the #26 team in yards and #10 team in points. If you think this #19 in yards and #22 in scoring DEN defense will limit Wilson like SF did, you are an idiot.

If you think there is any validity to the triangular reasoning you just described...

Really, just because Seattle did something against one team doesn't mean they will do it against another. It really doesn't matter if the 49ers were ranked 3rd or 10th or 50th. It really doesn't matter if the Broncos are "better" or "worse" than the 49ers on defense. The NFL just doesn't work that way.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

Harvin will be in for 2 plays tops before he has to be removed from the game. When I think of "match-up problems"...Tate or Baldwin don't really cross my mind. If Wilson plays like he did against SF, the game won't be close.

Surely you jest......If something happens to poor little Percival "Igot a headache" Harvin, that will REALLY give Wally Thurman something to whine and cry about.

 

[CaptainStubing]

Harvin will be in for 2 plays tops before he has to be removed from the game. When I think of "match-up problems"...Tate or Baldwin don't really cross my mind. If Wilson plays like he did against SF, the game won't be close.

well, you may be right about harvin .

however, both baldwin and tate have the ability to run by someone (especially a 35 year old that has lost a couple of steps) and wilson can be very accurate with the deep ball. i think you're seriously underestimating baldwin, who is one of the better young receivers in this league and is a serious deep threat.

 

[Money]

well, you may be right about harvin .

however, both baldwin and tate have the ability to run by someone (especially a 35 year old that has lost a couple of steps) and wilson can be very accurate with the deep ball. i think you're seriously underestimating baldwin, who is one of the better young receivers in this league and is a serious deep threat.

Well...he was definitely the difference in the NFCCG, so I may be.

 

[WizardHawk]

Are you guys planning on 3 more pages of bitching over who had the more difficult schedule this year and what it tells us about this coming game? Because it all looks like a bunch of tards pissing into the wind to me.

Both teams played the schedule they had. both are 15-3. Both lost by a score or less in all 3 losses. Both had injuries during the year that skewed some of the stats. And both earned their way to this game and deserve to be here.

Who's going to win? We will find out in 9 days. I do know it won't be decided on this site.

If any of you are that confident your team is going to win easily then I challenge you to put up at least $5k on your team and post a pick of your bet transaction. I expect a good game and just hope no one gets injured and the zebras don't get in the way for either side. I'd rather just have a real champion either way that earned it.

 

[CaptainStubing]

Are you guys planning on 3 more pages of bitching over who had the more difficult schedule this year and what it tells us about this coming game?
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no, i think i will continue discussing qb/receiver match-ups against the opposing secondaries but thanks anyway.

 

[Rvnight18]

You want to stop Wilson? Keep him in the pocket. You have to get a rush on him, but contain him as well. The 49ers did a hell of a job in the first half at this. You let him get out to extend a play, that's when shit hits the fan. You keep him in the pocket, and get pressure early and often, that will shut him down.

 

[iknowftbll]

You want to stop Wilson? Keep him in the pocket. You have to get a rush on him, but contain him as well. The 49ers did a hell of a job in the first half at this. You let him get out to extend a play, that's when shit hits the fan. You keep him in the pocket, and get pressure early and often, that will shut him down.

Yup. This has been discussed quite a bit amongst Broncos fans. Given their defense has allowed just 70 rushing yards per game in the last 4 games, Wilson's ability to escape the pocket, scramble and extend the play may be the biggest challenge the Broncos face in this game.

 

[STBR 27]

You want to stop Wilson? Keep him in the pocket. You have to get a rush on him, but contain him as well. The 49ers did a hell of a job in the first half at this. You let him get out to extend a play, that's when shit hits the fan. You keep him in the pocket, and get pressure early and often, that will shut him down.

This works for the 49ers because of their fantastic LBs, but I don't think the Broncos have the speed at LB to accomplish this consistently enough to be a major factor.

 

[iknowftbll]

This works for the 49ers because of their fantastic LBs, but I don't think the Broncos have the speed at LB to accomplish this consistently enough to be a major factor.

Danny Trevathon is as fast as any LB in the game. Wesley Woodyard as well, though his playing time has been reduced due to Parris Lenon being more effective at stuffing runs.

 

[Tacoma_canuck]

I think it's interesting that in this game, it seems both teams strengths and weaknesses play off against each other. The OP's point especially. Hawks pass D vs. an all-time great on a mission leading one of the great offenses ever. Plays will be made on both sides, imo, and I'm thinking this may be a push although I would never bet against Peyton.

Seattle's run against a stout run D, as was noted, if Seattle can loosen that up with success in the passing game, Lynch could have some success when it gets into the 2nd half but who knows, right.

Hawks passing vs. Denver secondary. The weak links on both teams. Seattle receivers could find openings but it all depends on Denver's D line and LB's containing Wilson. If he breaks contain, the Broncos D is in trouble. He throws well on the run and has an uncanny knack of knowing where the line of scrimmage is and pushing it to get safeties and LB's to bite up. Much like Eli Manning without the int's. Percy Harvin may be a huge key here if he can stay on the field. Big if there maybe, huh.

I'm starting to believe that a big play in ST's might just turn this game into one teams favor. Holliday could either break one to the house or have an untimely fumble. Anybody's guess. Seattle has had very good ST play all year but it gets somewhat over-shadowed by the defense. Haven't seen enough of Denver to know how their coverage is but Harvin could come into play here again and Baldwin broke a huge one last week that set the Hawks up.

One last thought, I truly believe that all the stats in the world or a completely moot point in championship games. It's all about which team gameplans and executes better and makes the proper adjustments. Maybe that's an obvious cliche but it's always the case.

 

[Doublejive]

I think it's interesting that in this game, it seems both teams strengths and weaknesses play off against each other. The OP's point especially. Hawks pass D vs. an all-time great on a mission leading one of the great offenses ever. Plays will be made on both sides, imo, and I'm thinking this may be a push although I would never bet against Peyton.

Seattle's run against a stout run D, as was noted, if Seattle can loosen that up with success in the passing game, Lynch could have some success when it gets into the 2nd half but who knows, right.

Hawks passing vs. Denver secondary. The weak links on both teams. Seattle receivers could find openings but it all depends on Denver's D line and LB's containing Wilson. If he breaks contain, the Broncos D is in trouble. He throws well on the run and has an uncanny knack of knowing where the line of scrimmage is and pushing it to get safeties and LB's to bite up. Much like Eli Manning without the int's. Percy Harvin may be a huge key here if he can stay on the field. Big if there maybe, huh.

I'm starting to believe that a big play in ST's might just turn this game into one teams favor. Holliday could either break one to the house or have an untimely fumble. Anybody's guess. Seattle has had very good ST play all year but it gets somewhat over-shadowed by the defense. Haven't seen enough of Denver to know how their coverage is but Harvin could come into play here again and Baldwin broke a huge one last week that set the Hawks up.

One last thought, I truly believe that all the stats in the world or a completely moot point in championship games. It's all about which team gameplans and executes better and makes the proper adjustments. Maybe that's an obvious cliche but it's always the case.

Good post ST's the Hawks blow the Bronco's out of the water.

If i may copy a post from ESPN that said what i think but far more precise than i can.

I think the exact opposite of your statement: Denver hasn't seen a defense like Seattle. Take a look at the defensive ranks Denver played all season: they average out to about 20th overall, with Denver playing only two top 10 defenses all year. Take it down to the top half of all defenses, and Denver has only played four top 16 defenses all year. They had two games each against the 22, 23, and 24th ranked defenses.

Meanwhile, Seattle has been playing top-ranked defenses like it's become a habit. In the playoffs, they beat the 4 and 5 defense, played the Cards (#6), and had a lovely break with the Rams, who finished 15th in the league. Seattle hasn't played a low-ranked defense since Week 11 of this year, when they promptly beat the bejeebers out of the Vikes and the Falcons.

For me, I feel a heckuva lot better about Seattle's chances against Denver than I did against the Saints and the 49ers. I am curious to see how well Denver tries to do against the defense. Seattle's defense has made a sport of shutting down top-ranked offenses; Denver's offense has made a sport of slapping around low-ranked defenses.

That is what i believe we will see,Peyton cannot move if his life depended on it,Bronco's will throw and throw often.

 

[Oldschool739]

For me this is one of the most interesting aspects of the Superbowl this year and even if I was not a Seahawks fan I think I'd be intrigued by this matchup.

Over the past two years it has been generally accepted that the Seahawks have had the NFL's best secondary as well as the NFL's best pass D. Is that enough going up against one of the best offenses in NFL history?

I'm sort of torn on the topic. The Seahawk fan in me says "If anyone can stop Manning, it is us." but the unbiased me says "Manning is just having too incredible of a season to be stopped by anyone. If he wins this game it would possibly crown him the greatest of all time"

The following list consists of performances against the Seattle defense over the past two years of QBs who have ever been elected to a Pro-Bowl in their career. I figure by using players to be selected to a Pro-Bowl is a decent way of weeding out the mediocre players Seattle dominated and getting an idea of how well the Seahawks defense has performed against top tier QBs these past two years:

2012:
Week 2: Tony Romo: 23/40 (57%) 251 yards (6.3 AVG) 1 TD 1 INT 74.1 QB RTG
Week 3: Aaron Rodgers: 26/39 (67%) 223 yards (5.7 AVG) 0 TD 0 INT 81.5 QB RTG
Week 5: Cam Newton: 12/29 (41%) 141 yards (4.9 AVG) 0 TD 0 INT 56.8 QB RTG
Week 6: Tom Brady: 36/58 (62%) 395 yards (6.8 AVG) 2 TD 2 INT 79.3 QB RTG
Week 7: Alex Smith: 14/23 (60%) 140 yards (6.1 AVG) 1 TD 1 INT 74.5 QB RTG
Week 13: Jay Cutler: 17/26 (65%) 233 yards (9.0 AVG) 2 TD 0 INT 119.6 QB RTG
Wild Card Round: Robert Griffin: 10/19 (52%) 84 yards (4.4 AVG) 2 TD 1 INT 77.5 QB RTG
Divisional Round: Matt Ryan: 24/35 (69%) 250 yards (7.1 AVG) 3 TD 2 INT 93.8 QB RTG
2012 total including playoffs (8 games): 162-269 (60%) 1,717 yards (6.4 AVG) 11 TD 7 INT 81.6 QB RTG

2013:
Week 1: Cam Newton: 16/23 (69%) 125 yards (5.6 AVG) 1 TD 0 INT 97.2 QB RTG
Week 4: Matt Schaub: 31/49 (63%) 355 yards (7.2 AVG) 2 TD 2 INT 81.6 QB RTG
Week 5: Andrew Luck: 16/29 (55%) 229 yards (7.9 AVG) 2 TD 0 INT 104 QB RTG
Week 7: Carson Palmer: 30/45 (67%) 258 yards (5.7 AVG) 1 TD 2 INT 70.4 QB RTG
Week 10: Matt Ryan: 23/36 (72%) 172 yards (4.8 AVG) 1 TD 0 INT 84.5 QB RTG
Week 13: Drew Brees: 23/38 (60%) 147 yards (3.9 AVG) 1 TD 0 INT 77.4 QB RTG
Week 15: Eli Manning: 18/31 (58%) 158 yards (5.0 AVG) 0 TD 5 INT 31.9 QB RTG
Week 16: Carson Palmer: 13/25 (52%) 178 yards (7.1 AVG) 1 TD 4 INT 48.8 QB RTG
Division Round: Drew Brees: 24/43 (55%) 309 yards (7.2 AVG) 1 TD 0 INT 86.3 QB RTG
2013 total including playoffs (9 games): 194-319 (61%) 1,931 yards (6.1 AVG) 10 TD 13 INT 71.4 QB RTG

2012 + 2013 total:
17 games: 356-588 (60.5%) 3,648 yards (6.2 AVG) 21 TD 20 INT 76.1 QB RTG
Per game average: 21/35 214.5 yards 1.24 TD 1.18 INT

Will Manning be able to pull it off? We shall see.

Take it from someone who knows first hand what PM can do to a top 5 aggressive D.....He loves it, because he owns it.....Every blitz gives him an open receiver and if you don't, he will fake you out and create an open man....Along with the strong running of Moreno and the fact that he is on a mission to go out with a bang, I have to say PM is lifting the Lombardi for the second time and then retiring.....Couldn't write it any better...

 

[Uhsplit]

Yup. This has been discussed quite a bit amongst Broncos fans. Given their defense has allowed just 70 rushing yards per game in the last 4 games, Wilson's ability to escape the pocket, scramble and extend the play may be the biggest challenge the Broncos face in this game.

The way we win is by a great D, some of the best ST's in the NFL, field position, TOP, and an outstanding running game. That is Seahawk football under the direction of Pete Carroll.
The passing game is important, yet it is seldom that we rely on passing to win a game.
In trying to stop Seattle's O, Marshawn would be my 1st focus. RW is #2.

 

[SonnyCID]

Take it from someone who knows first hand what PM can do to a top 5 aggressive D.....He loves it, because he owns it.....Every blitz gives him an open receiver and if you don't, he will fake you out and create an open man....Along with the strong running of Moreno and the fact that he is on a mission to go out with a bang, I have to say PM is lifting the Lombardi for the second time and then retiring.....Couldn't write it any better...

The Seahawks dont blitz much. This is not a high risk/high reward D that takes a lot of chances. They want to be physical but keep everything in front of them and dont give the big play. They're also a great tackling defense that will keep 7 in coverage,I wouldn't expect these receivers to get 180 YAC like they're accustomed to. And if something is not working, IMO Carroll is one of the best at defensive adjustments in the league.

And if Manning wins, I highly doubt he retires. His team will be SB favorites next year, he will be MVP favorite, and he'll make another 20 mil.

 

[cdumler7]

Good post ST's the Hawks blow the Bronco's out of the water.

If i may copy a post from ESPN that said what i think but far more precise than i can.



That is what i believe we will see,Peyton cannot move if his life depended on it,Bronco's will throw and throw often.

Not sure you blow us out of the water on Special Teams. Now the Broncos have been inconsistent but they do boast the most accurate kicker in the NFL with Prater who also boasts a big leg now having the NFL record for longest field goal. Our Punter although rarely used is one of the top 5 punters in the NFL. He is great at pinning teams back. Throw in then the Broncos do have one of the more dangerous kick returners in Holliday (don't think he will be returning punts as he hasn't all post season). Where we have lacked some has been in the coverage units but that has been because of the long list of injuries this team has had every week meaning the coverage units have had to switch every week. For the last few weeks they have had everybody healthy and the units have looked much better I think only allowing 1 punt return in the last 4 games over 10 yards.

 

[iknowftbll]

The way we win is by a great D, some of the best ST's in the NFL, field position, TOP, and an outstanding running game. That is Seahawk football under the direction of Pete Carroll.
The passing game is important, yet it is seldom that we rely on passing to win a game.
In trying to stop Seattle's O, Marshawn would be my 1st focus. RW is #2.

Understood. What I am saying is I believe the Broncos stand a greater chance of stopping Lynch than containing Wilson. It's hard to do both, and Lynch, while an absolute bull-dozer, is more predictable than a mobile QB like Wilson.

 

[Morpheus]

huh? cromartie is 'ok' but harris was their only other decent DB and he's not playing in this one. and their safeties blow. hard.

the broncos secondary is not good. at all. especially now that harris is out. the only question will be if wilson and his receivers can take advantage of it. they aren't exactly a prolific passing attack.

Cromartie actually graded higher than Sherman on PFF. You will have to subscribe to see the stats.

And you forget that Champ Bailey is healthy and playing well again.

Sure, Harris is a loss, but Denver's secondary is well suited to stopping Seattle's passing game.