If every team in your division merged to make a super team

[Jakology]

Then you'd know that the Lions have a pretty good OL too. Actually they've been one of the team's strengths this year. No complaints really.

Nothing compared to the O line you can make out of the Niners and a healthy Seattle O line though. Throw in a healthy Jake Long from the Rams, that's the best O line out of all divisions and its not even close.

 

[Wazmankg]

Nothing compared to the O line you can make out of the Niners and a healthy Seattle O line though. Throw in a healthy Jake Long from the Rams, that's the best O line out of all divisions and its not even close.

Well 1) - I think it's kind of funny when people claim to know which OLs are the best. Like what do you guys do break down game film or something ? and 2) - Football Outsiders has them ranked higher than both SF and the Hawks OL.. by quite a large margin in pass protection ftm. The Lions are ranked 2nd in pass protection and the Bears 3rd.

 

[Wazmankg]

and to all of the "and it's not even close" guys, I see a couple of areas where "it's not even close" between the NFC west & north - receiver - edge north and back 4 D - edge west... oh and QB. Sorry Hawks fans but it's just not that close there either.

 

[PackMaster]

and to all of the "and it's not even close" guys, I see a couple of areas where "it's not even close" between the NFC west & north - receiver - edge north and back 4 D - edge west... oh and QB. Sorry Hawks fans but it's just not that close there either.

BOOM!

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Nothing compared to the O line you can make out of the Niners and a healthy Seattle O line though. Throw in a healthy Jake Long from the Rams, that's the best O line out of all divisions and its not even close.

I agree -- the NFC West would have a better OL. I think this just punctuates who has the much better running backs though.

People dog the Bears OL, yet Matt Forte averages more YPC and has more yards rushing than both Marshawn Lynch and Frank Gore, as does, Adrian Peterson obviously.

People dog the Lions OL, yet no team, other than Denver, throws the ball more and Stafford has been sacked the least in the NFL this year at only 15 times. To put it in perspective -- Detroit throws it 41 times a game and have only given up 15 sacks. Seattle throws it 26 times a game and has given up 33 sacks and SF throws it 25 times a game and has given up 32 sacks.

Seems if the OLs at Seattle and SF were so good, they'd be doing a lot better statistically with their RBs and passing games than the NFC North.

And to the guy who said the Lions don't have run stoppers -- they play in a division with 2 of the top 4 guys in terms of rushing yard leaders (Peterson and Forte) and rank 4th in the NFL in rushing defense, giving up less than 100 yards a game. This is after the fluke game last week when Philly ran for 300+ during a blizzard.

 

[Logicallylethal]

NFC West's Defense

DE - Aldon Smith
DT - Justin Smith
DT - Red Bryant
DE - Robert Quinn

LB - Daryl Washington
LB - Patrick Willis
LB - Ahmad Brooks

CB - Richard Sherman
CB - Patrick Peterson
FS - Earl Thomas
SS - Kam Chancelor

vs

NFC North's Offense

QB - Aaron Rodgers

RB - Adrian Peterson

WR - Calvin Johnson
WR - Brandon Marshall
WR - Alshon Jeffery
WR - Randall Cobb/Jordy Nelson

TE - Greg Olsen


I gotta say...Aaron Rodgers paired up with Megatron, Marshall and AP looks like the sexy pick on paper but I think defense wins this one

 

[Logicallylethal]

Btw what a great thread

Bears, Packers and Lions fans coming to each other's defense

Seahawks and Niner fans and even a Dolphins fan supporting each other in debate

Good stuff

 

[Logicallylethal]

You could make a defense from the all time best defensive players ever and it would;t be able to stop that offense with today's nfl rules..

Lol really?

DE - Bruce Smith
DT - John Randle
DT - Joe Greene
DE - Reggie White

LB - Derrick Thomas
LB - Ray Lewis
LB - Lawrence Taylor

CB - Deion Sanders
CB - Rod Woodson
CB - Darelle Revis

FS - Ronnie Lott
SS - Troy Polomalu

Sorry but I don't care if you are Aaron Rodgers with Peyton Manning's mind and Mike Vick's legs throwing to Megatron with Lebron Jame's stature...that defense will sack you 6-7 times and those corners will make you pay for every mistake

 

[cdumler7]

Well in this whole NFC West verse NFC North debate the thing I can't quite get understand is why the difference in quarterback is not brought up more. This is a quarterback driven league and sorry Seattle fans but Wilson at this point in his career is no where near Aaron Rodgers when healthy. I've seen many of you even say that Wilson isn't even the best player on your own team and I just wonder how he would function if he had a bottom 20 defense with a middle of the pack run game. Could he still be successful...I don't think so at this point in his career. He is a good quarterback don't get me wrong not trying to debate that side of it but he is nowhere near an Aaron Rodgers. With today's NFL rules sorry but quarterbacks rule the day even against a great defense. I just see the NFC North's defense having more success against Russell Wilson than I do the NFC West against Aaron Rodgers. Then throw in the NFC North having AP and it just doesn't seem fair to have what many would consider the 3 best players at the skill positions.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

With today's NFL rules sorry but quarterbacks rule the day even against a great defense.

This is exactly what I've been saying repeatedly. When you also take into consideration, the size of the top 3 WRs in the NFC North:

6'5" 236 lbs -- Calvin Johnson
6'3" 216 lbs -- Alshon Jeffrey
6'4" 230 lbs -- Brandon Marshall

It wouldn't even be fair with the ticky tack rules they have in place to give the offensive players an advantage in todays nfl

 

[darken65]

Well in this whole NFC West verse NFC North debate the thing I can't quite get understand is why the difference in quarterback is not brought up more. This is a quarterback driven league and sorry Seattle fans but Wilson at this point in his career is no where near Aaron Rodgers when healthy. I've seen many of you even say that Wilson isn't even the best player on your own team and I just wonder how he would function if he had a bottom 20 defense with a middle of the pack run game. Could he still be successful...I don't think so at this point in his career. He is a good quarterback don't get me wrong not trying to debate that side of it but he is nowhere near an Aaron Rodgers. With today's NFL rules sorry but quarterbacks rule the day even against a great defense. I just see the NFC North's defense having more success against Russell Wilson than I do the NFC West against Aaron Rodgers. Then throw in the NFC North having AP and it just doesn't seem fair to have what many would consider the 3 best players at the skill positions.

Don't get me wrong....I had Rodgers going to the 9ers over Alex in the 2005 draft...I know he is a great QB, but pitting him and any of the NFCN WRs against a combined NFCW defense is still no contest...providing the refs call the game correctly. When GB can at least beat the 9ers again maybe you could make that arguement.

 

[darken65]

Btw what a great thread

Bears, Packers and Lions fans coming to each other's defense

Seahawks and Niner fans and even a Dolphins fan supporting each other in debate

Good stuff

Scary ,isn't it?

 

[molsaniceman]

Don't get me wrong....I had Rodgers going to the 9ers over Alex in the 2005 draft...I know he is a great QB, but pitting him and any of the NFCN WRs against a combined NFCW defense is still no contest...providing the refs call the game correctly. When GB can at least beat the 9ers again maybe you could make that arguement.

Last game they played rodgers 333 3/1 jordy nelson 130 yds cobb 100 yds
SF won because krapnick threw for 412 yds

 

[SonnyCID]

Well in this whole NFC West verse NFC North debate the thing I can't quite get understand is why the difference in quarterback is not brought up more. This is a quarterback driven league and sorry Seattle fans but Wilson at this point in his career is no where near Aaron Rodgers when healthy. I've seen many of you even say that Wilson isn't even the best player on your own team and I just wonder how he would function if he had a bottom 20 defense with a middle of the pack run game. Could he still be successful...I don't think so at this point in his career. He is a good quarterback don't get me wrong not trying to debate that side of it but he is nowhere near an Aaron Rodgers. With today's NFL rules sorry but quarterbacks rule the day even against a great defense. I just see the NFC North's defense having more success against Russell Wilson than I do the NFC West against Aaron Rodgers. Then throw in the NFC North having AP and it just doesn't seem fair to have what many would consider the 3 best players at the skill positions.

I wont argue that Wilson has had as good of à career as Rodgers, not even close to this point. But right now, Wilson is playing as good as anyone not named Peyton Manning and has been most of his young career. Pound for pound right now, he is not nearly as far back as you make it sound. You can point out how good his running game or defense is, but at some point you are going to just have to watch him play and admit that he makes great décisions, seems to know where everyone is and is throwing perfect dimes all over the field, what more could ask of à QB?. Give him the best line and weapons in the nfcw and its more than formidable.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Don't get me wrong....I had Rodgers going to the 9ers over Alex in the 2005 draft...I know he is a great QB, but pitting him and any of the NFCN WRs against a combined NFCW defense is still no contest...providing the refs call the game correctly. When GB can at least beat the 9ers again maybe you could make that arguement.

What does Green Bay beating the 9ers have ANYTHING to do with the discussion? I keep hearing about individual games, like GB beating the 9ers or what AP did against Seattle.

The difference is -- Aaron Rodgers will be handing the ball off to the best RB in football. His #1 WR will be the best WR in football. His #2 and #3 WRs are 6'3" and 6'4", with both over 1000 yards already this year with their starting QB out half the year.

The backup running back in the NFC North is 4th in the NFL in rushing and has 1600 yards of total offense when you add in the 65 catches and 520 yards receiving (Matt Forte). The 3rd string running back has 1300 yards of total offense and has only played in 11 games this year in Reggie Bush. Between Bush and Forte -- they have 1000 yards receiving to go along with their rushing yards.

It is a pick your poison situation. Are you going to put 8 in the box to stop the best running back in the game and leave the best WR corp in man coverage? Are you going to double CJ and leave the other WRs in man coverage and have a LB covering Forte or Bush out of the backfield.

And DO NOT mention Russell Wilson in the same breathe as Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers CAREER QB rating is 105+. He has 186 tds and only 50 interceptions. In the past 2 1/2 years -- he has had 100 Tds against 18 interceptions.

Russell Wilson is a top 10-15 QB -- Aaron Rodgers is a top 1-3 QB. Put Aaron Rodgers on Seattle and they will absolutely steamroll everyone. Wilson looks good, because he has one of the best defenses in the league, as well as a great OL and a top 5 RB. Show me where Aaron Rodgers has had any of that?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Pound for pound right now, he is not nearly as far back as you make it sound.

Yes he is. Aaron Rodgers is on a whole other level compared to Russell Wilson.

 

[SonnyCID]

What does Green Bay beating the 9ers have ANYTHING to do with the discussion? I keep hearing about individual games, like GB beating the 9ers or what AP did against Seattle.

The difference is -- Aaron Rodgers will be handing the ball off to the best RB in football. His #1 WR will be the best WR in football. His #2 and #3 WRs are 6'3" and 6'4", with both over 1000 yards already this year with their starting QB out half the year.

The backup running back in the NFC North is 4th in the NFL in rushing and has 1600 yards of total offense when you add in the 65 catches and 520 yards receiving (Matt Forte). The 3rd string running back has 1300 yards of total offense and has only played in 11 games this year in Reggie Bush. Between Bush and Forte -- they have 1000 yards receiving to go along with their rushing yards.

It is a pick your poison situation. Are you going to put 8 in the box to stop the best running back in the game and leave the best WR corp in man coverage? Are you going to double CJ and leave the other WRs in man coverage and have a LB covering Forte or Bush out of the backfield.

And DO NOT mention Russell Wilson in the same breathe as Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers CAREER QB rating is 105+. He has 186 tds and only 50 interceptions. In the past 2 1/2 years -- he has had 100 Tds against 18 interceptions.

Russell Wilson is a top 10-15 QB -- Aaron Rodgers is a top 1-3 QB. Put Aaron Rodgers on Seattle and they will absolutely steamroll everyone. Wilson looks good, because he has one of the best defenses in the league, as well as a great OL and a top 5 RB. Show me where Aaron Rodgers has had any of that?

Wilson looks good because he is good. Other QBs have had great défenses and supporting casts and couldnt come close to doing the things that Wilson is doing. His defense doesnt help him read opposing défenses and déliver great ball after great ball.

You know why vegas finds so many suckers? Because it takes the public about 10 times longer than it should to make an informéd opinion.

In 4-5 years, Wilson will be considered à top 5 QB. Until then he'll just play like one.

 

[RoboticDreams]

What does Green Bay beating the 9ers have ANYTHING to do with the discussion? I keep hearing about individual games, like GB beating the 9ers or what AP did against Seattle.

The difference is -- Aaron Rodgers will be handing the ball off to the best RB in football. His #1 WR will be the best WR in football. His #2 and #3 WRs are 6'3" and 6'4", with both over 1000 yards already this year with their starting QB out half the year.

The backup running back in the NFC North is 4th in the NFL in rushing and has 1600 yards of total offense when you add in the 65 catches and 520 yards receiving (Matt Forte). The 3rd string running back has 1300 yards of total offense and has only played in 11 games this year in Reggie Bush. Between Bush and Forte -- they have 1000 yards receiving to go along with their rushing yards.

It is a pick your poison situation. Are you going to put 8 in the box to stop the best running back in the game and leave the best WR corp in man coverage? Are you going to double CJ and leave the other WRs in man coverage and have a LB covering Forte or Bush out of the backfield.

And DO NOT mention Russell Wilson in the same breathe as Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers CAREER QB rating is 105+. He has 186 tds and only 50 interceptions. In the past 2 1/2 years -- he has had 100 Tds against 18 interceptions.

Russell Wilson is a top 10-15 QB -- Aaron Rodgers is a top 1-3 QB. Put Aaron Rodgers on Seattle and they will absolutely steamroll everyone. Wilson looks good, because he has one of the best defenses in the league, as well as a great OL and a top 5 RB. Show me where Aaron Rodgers has had any of that?

I agree with you about Rodgers and Wilson. There's no comparison. The one mistake you made was by saying the Hawks have a great OL. That's simply untrue. They do have a great defense and very good running attack.

 

[SonnyCID]

I agree with you about Rodgers and Wilson. There's no comparison. The one mistake you made was by saying the Hawks have a great OL. That's simply untrue. They do have a great defense and very good running attack.

Theyre getting better as they get healthier. But they went through à long stretch this year as arguably the worst in the league.

 

[darken65]

What does Green Bay beating the 9ers have ANYTHING to do with the discussion? I keep hearing about individual games, like GB beating the 9ers or what AP did against Seattle.

The difference is -- Aaron Rodgers will be handing the ball off to the best RB in football. His #1 WR will be the best WR in football. His #2 and #3 WRs are 6'3" and 6'4", with both over 1000 yards already this year with their starting QB out half the year.

The backup running back in the NFC North is 4th in the NFL in rushing and has 1600 yards of total offense when you add in the 65 catches and 520 yards receiving (Matt Forte). The 3rd string running back has 1300 yards of total offense and has only played in 11 games this year in Reggie Bush. Between Bush and Forte -- they have 1000 yards receiving to go along with their rushing yards.

It is a pick your poison situation. Are you going to put 8 in the box to stop the best running back in the game and leave the best WR corp in man coverage? Are you going to double CJ and leave the other WRs in man coverage and have a LB covering Forte or Bush out of the backfield.

And DO NOT mention Russell Wilson in the same breathe as Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers CAREER QB rating is 105+. He has 186 tds and only 50 interceptions. In the past 2 1/2 years -- he has had 100 Tds against 18 interceptions.

Russell Wilson is a top 10-15 QB -- Aaron Rodgers is a top 1-3 QB. Put Aaron Rodgers on Seattle and they will absolutely steamroll everyone. Wilson looks good, because he has one of the best defenses in the league, as well as a great OL and a top 5 RB. Show me where Aaron Rodgers has had any of that?

I was repsonding to another poster who was stating how a QB is the reason the NFCN would beat the NFCW. Posting stats against the teams the NFCN have played this season( and still can't win many games) is not helping your case either. AP is the best RB in the League, Calvin is the best WR. When are you going to address the defense ,ST or OL of the NFCN?