Some additional observations

[TCB]

1: RG3 slid about 3 times. Although it is similar to a kid throwing his feet out and landing on his butt, at least he is doing it now in games. This could be the best thing that has happened all year for us in terms of the future.

2: Garcon is dropping too many passes to be an elite receiver(not to mention the fumble at the end of the game). He needs to get his act together or check his eyes.

3: The Oline was physically manhandled in the 2nd half again. Most coming from the 3 guys on the right. They need to be replaced. Plain and simple.

4: The 3-4 really(our sorry version of it) got exposed during the Peyton Hillis drive in the 2nd quarter. That looked so easy, I was really surprised they didn't do that the rest of the game.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

How about a few more:

1. This team has about 80 yards combined for the 2nd half of both of the last two games. 80 yards! That is for the equivalent of an entire NFL game - inexcusable.

2. Morris only ran the ball 11 times - one less than RG3. Why?

 

[Lonewate44]

How about a few more:

1. This team has about 80 yards combined for the 2nd half of both of the last two games. 80 yards! That is for the equivalent of an entire NFL game - inexcusable.

2. Morris only ran the ball 11 times - one less than RG3. Why?

Why Morris.......UM....Kyle knows his Daddy wont fire him, and he got all enamored with the pass......and got cute......Lets put Helu in there, make them think pass, and then run with someone NOT as good as Morris......but Mostly.....Our Offensive Cordinator is Terrible......

Our coachs get outcoached all the time....The other team makes 1/2 time adjustments, and well we make the wrong adjustments, or mostly dont adjust at all!!!!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Why Morris.......UM....Kyle knows his Daddy wont fire him, and he got all enamored with the pass......and got cute......Lets put Helu in there, make them think pass, and then run with someone NOT as good as Morris......but Mostly.....Our Offensive Cordinator is Terrible......

Our coachs get outcoached all the time....The other team makes 1/2 time adjustments, and well we make the wrong adjustments, or mostly dont adjust at all!!!!

Agree 100%. My fear is that Mike Shanahan is retained and subsequently keeps all of his assts & states that they just "had a bad season". No doubt there are some talent issues. However - this coaching staff is pretty bad all the way around. It is almost as if they are giving the finger to the fans. What a joke.

 

[skinsdad62]

Agree 100%. My fear is that Mike Shanahan is retained and subsequently keeps all of his assts & states that they just "had a bad season". No doubt there are some talent issues. However - this coaching staff is pretty bad all the way around. It is almost as if they are giving the finger to the fans. What a joke.

well if he does that then there wont be a year 6

 

[SoCalWizFan]

well if he does that then there wont be a year 6

Year 6? If there is a year 5 for Haslett I am going to explode. I will remain a fan no matter what, but this is getting ridiculous. It has been proven time and again that this guy is not a good coach and his numbers back it up. Why is Shanahan so impressed with this guy?

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins Film Review: RG III - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN


here is a look at Rg3's game vs the giants , much improved

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Year 6? If there is a year 5 for Haslett I am going to explode. I will remain a fan no matter what, but this is getting ridiculous. It has been proven time and again that this guy is not a good coach and his numbers back it up. Why is Shanahan so impressed with this guy?

I'm with you on this!

 

[Lonewate44]

I am with the rest of you....Sick of our coaching staff........I would love to see Snyder clean house.....I have seen things about the cost of him to do that......Do you people talking cost realize who you are talking about...This is Daniel Snyder....the dude doesn't look at price tags....He sees somethign he wants he buy it.....he would pony up the money to buy them out in a heartbeat if he feels it is the best thing for the Skins....


Lets say he does keep Mikey.....maybe he says to him....I will give you this next year to prove it to me...However....you will fire that God Awful Hasslett, and ST cordinator...No discussion....do that and you stay....dont and your fired.......and Mike...I want the answer now....not in a few days or a week...you will decide right now....so what is it??? How badly do you want to be the Coach of the Washington Redskins?? How badly do you want Kyle to not be unemployed....I want that answer right now.......

 

[j_y19]

Actually, we do know who we are talking about. It was Snyder who kept Zorn on for so long because he didn't want to eat the last year of a contract that was valued at $3M. Snyder is a businessman first and foremost. The current coaching staff has a combined salary north of $13M. If you think he's going to eat $13M without seriously thinking about it, you haven't watched him closely over the last 15 years. This is a guy that sued a grandmother after her husband died (he was the skins fan) over season tickets.

Also, understand the ramifications if he fires shanahan. A new regime, new scheme, new direction. Starting over. Again. 3-5 years away from contending. RG3 will be nearing or past the end of his rookie contract. If he isn't on a winner by then, I bet he books. Cousins will be long gone. Then we are looking for a QB......again.

I'm not advocating keeping for firing Shanahan, folks just need to be aware of what they are asking for. A revolving door never leads anywhere.

 

[Kevin12773]

Remember when the skins were never outcoached? Joe Jackson Gibbs *sigh*

Good times, Good times

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Actually, we do know who we are talking about. It was Snyder who kept Zorn on for so long because he didn't want to eat the last year of a contract that was valued at $3M. Snyder is a businessman first and foremost. The current coaching staff has a combined salary north of $13M. If you think he's going to eat $13M without seriously thinking about it, you haven't watched him closely over the last 15 years. This is a guy that sued a grandmother after her husband died (he was the skins fan) over season tickets.

Also, understand the ramifications if he fires shanahan. A new regime, new scheme, new direction. Starting over. Again. 3-5 years away from contending. RG3 will be nearing or past the end of his rookie contract. If he isn't on a winner by then, I bet he books. Cousins will be long gone. Then we are looking for a QB......again.

I'm not advocating keeping for firing Shanahan, folks just need to be aware of what they are asking for. A revolving door never leads anywhere.

First of all - there is no way that RG3 will be able to leave on his own. He will be a Redskin for a very long time barring injury or if for some reason the team chooses to let him go. When was the last time you saw a franchise QB in his prime leave (not get traded) for another team?

I somewhat agree with your pt about the salary totals for the current staff. However - if this team continues to decline this will be offset in other ways in terms of revenue. Also - I don't agree that Snyder is strictly about the bottom line. I truly believe that he really wants a winner (as does just about every owner - they want to show off their toys). Have you seen some of his reactions after some key NFC-E victories? You have to believe that losing truly bothers him.

Also - why does a change in coaches have to result in a 3-5 year rebuild? Other teams have made these type of changes and had success within a year or two. I just believe that as Redskins fans we are so used to losing and other things that these type of thoughts are presented as gospel - don't agree.

I am still on the fence in regards to Shanahan but believe that he will have at least one more year. However - I believe that it will be suggested that he dump some of his assts (certainly not his son). I don't think it will be in a dramatic fashion (as implied in some posts here) but rather in a more business like manner. Really - does anyone see a reason to retain Haslett or the ST coach?

Oh well - this is is all out of our control. If nothing else this will make for an entertaining off-season (unfortunately as Skins fans this has been our high pt during the last 10+ yrs). HTTR

 

[j_y19]

First of all - there is no way that RG3 will be able to leave on his own. He will be a Redskin for a very long time barring injury or if for some reason the team chooses to let him go. When was the last time you saw a franchise QB in his prime leave (not get traded) for another team?

I somewhat agree with your pt about the salary totals for the current staff. However - if this team continues to decline this will be offset in other ways in terms of revenue. Also - I don't agree that Snyder is strictly about the bottom line. I truly believe that he really wants a winner (as does just about every owner - they want to show off their toys). Have you seen some of his reactions after some key NFC-E victories? You have to believe that losing truly bothers him.

Also - why does a change in coaches have to result in a 3-5 year rebuild? Other teams have made these type of changes and had success within a year or two. I just believe that as Redskins fans we are so used to losing and other things that these type of thoughts are presented as gospel - don't agree.

I am still on the fence in regards to Shanahan but believe that he will have at least one more year. However - I believe that it will be suggested that he dump some of his assts (certainly not his son). I don't think it will be in a dramatic fashion (as implied in some posts here) but rather in a more business like manner. Really - does anyone see a reason to retain Haslett or the ST coach?

Oh well - this is is all out of our control. If nothing else this will make for an entertaining off-season (unfortunately as Skins fans this has been our high pt during the last 10+ yrs). HTTR

If RG3 choses to leave after his rookie contract, there is nothing that we can do about it. Is it rare? Yes.

The reason why I think a change in coaches will result in a 3-5 year rebuild is that history dictates that is usually the case. One can point to KC this year as an opposite example, but they had multiple PB players on that team from last year. They had talent, they couldn't win because they had a terrible coach. Any new regime coming here would not have that same level of talent. The second reason why I think it will take a few years is the scheme we currently run. Our offense is pretty unique in the ZBS, not many teams do it or if they do, not like us. We have built our team around this scheme (small OL, mobile QB, RB that excels at cutbacks, WRs that can block better than they can run routes). A new coach that is a disciple of a more traditional NFL scheme will need to replace multiple parts/players (rebuild). That will take a few years. On defense, much of the same situation. We will very likely will go back to the 4-3, it is more prevalent (IMO, we should have never left it). Even if we don't, our D is so weak on talent that we need to replace 6-7 starters to field a good D. Again, that will take a couple of years.

Again, I'm not advocating keeping or firing Shanahan. If pressed, I probably tend to agree with you. Shanahan gets one more year, but Haslett and the STs coach is gone. It appears that he still has the team backing him, which is the ultimate litmus test in my opinion. He loses the team, he has to be gone.

 

[skinsdad62]

If RG3 choses to leave after his rookie contract, there is nothing that we can do about it. Is it rare? Yes.

The reason why I think a change in coaches will result in a 3-5 year rebuild is that history dictates that is usually the case. One can point to KC this year as an opposite example, but they had multiple PB players on that team from last year. They had talent, they couldn't win because they had a terrible coach. Any new regime coming here would not have that same level of talent. The second reason why I think it will take a few years is the scheme we currently run. Our offense is pretty unique in the ZBS, not many teams do it or if they do, not like us. We have built our team around this scheme (small OL, mobile QB, RB that excels at cutbacks, WRs that can block better than they can run routes). A new coach that is a disciple of a more traditional NFL scheme will need to replace multiple parts/players (rebuild). That will take a few years. On defense, much of the same situation. We will very likely will go back to the 4-3, it is more prevalent (IMO, we should have never left it). Even if we don't, our D is so weak on talent that we need to replace 6-7 starters to field a good D. Again, that will take a couple of years.

Again, I'm not advocating keeping or firing Shanahan. If pressed, I probably tend to agree with you. Shanahan gets one more year, but Haslett and the STs coach is gone. It appears that he still has the team backing him, which is the ultimate litmus test in my opinion. He loses the team, he has to be gone.

the skins would simply franchise Rg3 we can keep him if we want too

 

[SoCalWizFan]

the skins would simply franchise Rg3 we can keep him if we want too

Exactly. Also - by that time RG3 will be firmly installed as the face of the Redskins. Why would he even want to go elsewhere? It would be similar to what others here state about the team needing several years to reload - RG3 will also likely need a lot of time to fit in with another team. This is quite simply a situation that won't occur - I just believe that people get these ideas from stupid shows like First Take.

 

[skinsdad62]

Exactly. Also - by that time RG3 will be firmly installed as the face of the Redskins. Why would he even want to go elsewhere? It would be similar to what others here state about the team needing several years to reload - RG3 will also likely need a lot of time to fit in with another team. This is quite simply a situation that won't occur - I just believe that people get these ideas from stupid shows like First Take.

everyone is down now but i believe this team will be a very good team next season with some good player moves

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Even if we don't, our D is so weak on talent that we need to replace 6-7 starters to field a good D. Again, that will take a couple of years.

Cmon. Why do people always overstate things like this. Even one or two replacements on defense with high quality players will make a huge difference. Why do people always believe that you need a team of all pros on both sides of the ball? If RG3 becomes effective again & they address some issues with the offense and special teams you don't need a great defense just an adequate one & they have at least some pieces in place right now.

Think of it this way - as bad as this season has been there have been several games where the outcome was decided by a handful of points. Replace even a few players on defense & that could result in a few less missed tackles, an extra turnover, etc. Combine that with better coaching & better play from the other units & the season could look a lot different.

The salary cap era does not allow most teams to have superior talent at all positions (certainly not for an extended period of time). You have to pick your spots & improve wherever possible. Also - remember that a high quality player or two will probably result in better play from some of the existing players (& the Skins have some younger players who can get better).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

everyone is down now but i believe this team will be a very good team next season with some good player moves

As much as I may badmouth some areas of this team at times - I totally agree with you. Collinsworth made a similar statement the other night. As I alluded to in another reply - a few key additions can go a long way in improving this team & there is the "X" factor in regards to improvement from RG3.

 

[j_y19]

I agree with this also. A couple of key playmakers at specific positions can make a world of difference. They also can help their teammates play better. We get a stud center, and all the sudden maybe Licht and Chester play better as both the reads are better and they may not need to help the center out as much. Or a shut down corner helps Amerson as the safety can now offer double coverage in certain situations. This is why I'm an advocate of quality over quantity in this year's offseason. We don't need bodies. We have those. We need just a couple of playmakers, especially on defense.

Don't take this to mean we need to return to the ways of Vinny. No, we can get young playmakers that have a history of production coming off of their first rookie contract. They don't have to be PB players, just a notch below is fine. That's still an upgrade over what we field.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree with this also. A couple of key playmakers at specific positions can make a world of difference. They also can help their teammates play better. We get a stud center, and all the sudden maybe Licht and Chester play better as both the reads are better and they may not need to help the center out as much. Or a shut down corner helps Amerson as the safety can now offer double coverage in certain situations. This is why I'm an advocate of quality over quantity in this year's offseason. We don't need bodies. We have those. We need just a couple of playmakers, especially on defense.

Don't take this to mean we need to return to the ways of Vinny. No, we can get young playmakers that have a history of production coming off of their first rookie contract. They don't have to be PB players, just a notch below is fine. That's still an upgrade over what we field.

Agree. Just amazing that we are having this conversation less than a year after a playoff run. Oh well - hopefully the Skins are back in that position next season. I am just getting tired of rooting for nothing but sucky teams.