So is the Heisman McCaron's to lose?

[4down20]

Not to mention, whenever you fuckers are making excuses as to why Missouri and Texas A&M have done so well in the SEC talent upgrades is always the reason. So is Manziel great or not? Make up your mind. I think he is. A&M isn't near as talented this year as some of you think. Their OL, Manziel, and Evans is all they have this year contributing that is next level good.

They would have done even better in the Big12, as shown by the bowl game last year with A&M vs Oklahoma(Big12 co-champ), not sure what your point is.

 

[4down20]

Using just the first 3 quarters. Passing only to give McCarron an advantage.

McCarron 2133 yds 19 tds
Manziel 2914 yds 26 tds
Petty 3086 yds 22 tds (10 games)
Winston 2939 yds 30 tds
Mariota 2803 yds 21 tds
Boyd 3052 yds 27 tds
Bridgewater 2802 yds 22 tds
Miller 1474 yds 18 tds

Even stacking the deck in his favor and leaving off rushing contributions of dual threat QB's he isn't near the top even without the 4th quarter. McCarron is a good QB and a winner but he is not a Heisman winner. He doesn't carry his team enough.

13 interceptions. Which is in the top10 of ALL FBS QB's for the most.

The most? 6 more, 19.

 

[tideguy]

cfbstats.com - AJ McCarron 2013 Player Statistics - Alabama Crimson Tide

nice find!

 

[4down20]

cfbstats.com - AJ McCarron 2013 Player Statistics - Alabama Crimson Tide

Some pretty nice redzone stats. I like that link.


230.94 QB rating inside the redzone, and 64% comp.

Now if our RB's would just stop fumbling the ball in the redzone.

 

[tshirt]

McCarron just became Alabama's winningest quarterback in Saturday's 49-0 victory over Chattanooga by setting the school record for most wins. He is going for his 3rd straight nation title and his 2nd BSCNCG MVP

 

[7Samurai13]

McCarron just became Alabama's winningest quarterback in Saturday's 49-0 victory over Chattanooga by setting the school record for most wins. He is going for his 3rd straight nation title and his 2nd BSCNCG MVP

He didn't deserve his first MVP, that should have gone to the kicker but after the debacle with the Snooze of the Century game and the fact that they will never give an MVP to a kicker, McCarron got it by default.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

They would have done even better in the Big12, as shown by the bowl game last year with A&M vs Oklahoma(Big12 co-champ), not sure what your point is.

Why is that? Their team last year was the exact same team except for two players that went 6-6 in the Big 12. Manziel maybe?

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Have you actually watched any of his games? Not backed with facts? Are you joking? Just watch him play.

You said all he does is scramble around and throw it up to gifted WR's. That is not true. I guarantee I've watched more A&M games than you have. Considering I work for Texas A&M and I am required to be at every single one of them whether I want to be or not...

 

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Yet he still barely has better numbers than Manziel. We get hype fatigue from a player getting too much coverage. Manziel is falling victim to that. He is still the best player in college football. I don't care if he played like shit against LSU. Every Heisman winner has a bad game.

Manziel has cost his team against every current top 25 team aTm has played this year:
Bama - 2 INTs
Auburn - 2 INTs
LSU - completed 39.0% for 224 yds 1 TD 2 INT 83.20 rating

McCarron on the other hand has been flawless vs every current top 25 team he has faced.
aTm - completed 69.0% for 334 yds 4 TD, 0 INT, 211.23 rating
LSU - completed 70.0% for 179 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 194.68 rating
if McCarron craps the bed vs Auburn, he will lose his shot at the Heisman like Manziel did

 

[tshirt]

You said all he does is scramble around and throw it up to gifted WR's. That is not true. I guarantee I've watched more A&M games than you have. Considering I work for Texas A&M and I am required to be at every single one of them whether I want to be or not...

No wonder. aTm is paying you.

 

[Camfantasy]

Some pretty nice redzone stats. I like that link.


230.94 QB rating inside the redzone, and 64% comp.

Now if our RB's would just stop fumbling the ball in the redzone.

Not to discredit him, but a lot of that really is scheme and players around him. Big physical TEs and WRs with RBs who can catch out of the backfield and not to mention Bama is typically run heavy in the redzone which opens up man coverage from the defense onto those big receivers. It would never surprise me to see bama be extremely efficient in the RZ. They are built for it.

 

[bamafan4evr12]

I think they would still have better stats than McCarron. Saban isn't stupid and he would take advantage of talents like that. Would he run uptempo all the time like those two did at their respective schools? No, but they are both better college QB's than McCarron and Saban would take advantage of that. It's not like he didn't throw it around some at LSU when he had better QB's. McCarron is not a Heisman QB. Ingram was a way more important player to those Bama teams than McCarron is to the current Bama team. Most people still argued he didn't deserve it either because the rest of the team was so good and Richardson was just as effective in relief.

You cannot be serious? If McCarron is not playing for Alabama this year then Bama loses 3 games this year. Period. If you watched Bama and knew anything about the team then you would understand this.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

No wonder. aTm is paying you.

Literally you are correct

 

[Camfantasy]

You cannot be serious? If McCarron is not playing for Alabama this year then Bama loses 3 games this year. Period. If you watched Bama and knew anything about the team then you would understand this.

I think when people say this they aren't speaking upon the depth of Alabama at QB (which is what I assume you are referencing). I think they are more saying that any other decent QB in the country could be swapped out with McCarron and put up similar numbers. If AJ were to go down then Alabama would be fucked because they don't have any other viable options to take over his job right now. But let's say you take a different top QB with a similar skill set (maybe a Zack Mettenburger for example) and swap them....then most would still think Alabama probably has similar accomplishments over the last few years and Mettenbieber probably has similar numbers.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

What I'm saying is Alabama has more talent on both sides of the ball than any other team in the nation. There is no one player who carries that team. They are very similar to Miami in the late 90's early 00's but with a better coach.

 

[tshirt]

I think when people say this they aren't speaking upon the depth of Alabama at QB (which is what I assume you are referencing). I think they are more saying that any other decent QB in the country could be swapped out with McCarron and put up similar numbers. If AJ were to go down then Alabama would be fucked because they don't have any other viable options to take over his job right now. But let's say you take a different top QB with a similar skill set (maybe a Zack Mettenburger for example) and swap them....then most would still think Alabama probably has similar accomplishments over the last few years and Mettenbieber probably has similar numbers.

McCarron is #10 in QB rating, #1 in the country last year. He is like Russell Wilson in the NFL. Wilson isn't asked to pass as much so his total yards is always low. but when he does pass, he is a gamer, which is why his passer rating is so high

when McCarron was recruited a Bama fan told me he would be the greatest Bama QB ever. I thought he was an idiot for saying that. but McCarron turned out to be a bad ass QB. he won MVP of his first BCS title game. he was amazing in that game. the LSU DBs (Honey Badger, Thorpe winning CB Claiborne, 1st R pick FS Eric Reid) weren't giving McCarron anything and he was making amazing throws all game. then last year he led those two clutch game winning drives @ LSU for the win, cried tears in joy etc. in his 2nd title game v ND it is interesting he wasnt MVP as he completed 71.4% for 264 yds, 4 TD, 0 INT, 197.77 rating. and this year he has been money in Bama's two big wins v LSU and aTm. McCarron is a gamer, a special QB. he isn't someone you can put any other QB in there and replace

 

[tshirt]

What I'm saying is Alabama has more talent on both sides of the ball than any other team in the nation. There is no one player who carries that team. They are very similar to Miami in the late 90's early 00's but with a better coach.

And they are similar to those Joe Montana 49er teams

 

[4down20]

Why is that? Their team last year was the exact same team except for two players that went 6-6 in the Big 12. Manziel maybe?

Manziel is obviously a good QB, It's not like I'm saying he is junk. I'm saying he is extremely over-rated.

 

[4down20]

You said all he does is scramble around and throw it up to gifted WR's. That is not true. I guarantee I've watched more A&M games than you have. Considering I work for Texas A&M and I am required to be at every single one of them whether I want to be or not...

He's thrown 13 picks and is constantly throwing the ball up for grabs. He did it constantly against Alabama. That's the reality of Johnny Manziel this year.

 

[4down20]

Not to discredit him, but a lot of that really is scheme and players around him. Big physical TEs and WRs with RBs who can catch out of the backfield and not to mention Bama is typically run heavy in the redzone which opens up man coverage from the defense onto those big receivers. It would never surprise me to see bama be extremely efficient in the RZ. They are built for it.

Team is a big part of it, no doubt.