Rose Out, Bulls Win Inevitable

[BOTSLAYER]

Something wrong with the team chemistry and Rose.

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

Glorified two guard that can't shoot very well. Would rather have Nate Robinson offensively.

Dude desperately needs to learn how to distribute the ball.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

Glorified two guard that can't shoot very well. Would rather have Nate Robinson offensively.

Dude desperately needs to learn how to distribute the ball.

Lol!

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

Lol!

Comparing per 36 from Nate's year last year to Rose's last fully healthy season(sample size greater than half the games), Nate has a better assist/turnover ratio, he is a much better shooter from three, shot 1% less from the field despite being much shorter. He is much more polished offensively than D Rose.

If it were just a competition at driving the lane, I would take D Rose.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Rose is overrated. Fact.

 

[piss-tons]

Rose is overrated. Fact.

This. Rose isn't even a top 5 pg. Worst MVP in NBA history, even worse than Nash.

 

[Skinny jeans aint cool]

Have to agree. The team seems lost when he's out there. He comes in the game looking to gun every time. If the Bulls lose tonight, I will be shocked.

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

Lots of dumb posters in this thread...

lol

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

he is coming back from missing a whole season due to injury.

He was at one point in time a top 5 or top 10 player in the entire NBA.

It takes time to get back.

He missed AN ENTIRE YEAR. This is not coming back after 2 or 3 games with a sprained ankle.

It is only November. I expect Rose to be at an allstar level by midseason.

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

BUMP...


ROFL at some of the geniuses on this thread.

Hahahaha...!!

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

4 assists. Impressive for a two guard.


He shot well from 3 tonight, I'll give him that.

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

4 assists. Impressive for a two guard.


He shot well from 3 tonight, I'll give him that.

Anyone who claims they'd rather have Nate Robinson than Rose should seriously consider following another sport.

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

Please quote where I said I would rather have Robinson as a player. I said I would rather have him on one side of the ball. Outside of driving the lane and free throws, Robinson is more skilled on the offensive end. Give Rose Robinson's skill set on the offensive end and teach him how to distribute the fucking ball and he would be a much better player.

Clearly Rose has a higher ceiling on offense if he ever decides to put some serious work into his jumper.

Definitely better:
Paul
Rondo
Westbrook
Parker
Curry


Would consider letting these players run my team at the point over Rose:
Irving
Rubio
Wall
Lillard
Bledsoe
Holliday
Teague


I want 5 very specific traits I want out of a point guard: efficient, distributor, defense, shooter, slasher
in that order.

Rose doesn't fit my criteria to my expectations on half of those give or take efficiency depending on the night.

 

[Jims_Doors]

4 assists. Impressive for a two guard.


He shot well from 3 tonight, I'll give him that.

That's because he was givin' wide open, uncontested looks. The D was more concerned with the other Chicago starters.

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

Please quote where I said I would rather have Robinson as a player. I said I would rather have him on one side of the ball. Outside of driving the lane and free throws, Robinson is more skilled on the offensive end. Give Rose Robinson's skill set on the offensive end and teach him how to distribute the fucking ball and he would be a much better player.

Clearly Rose has a higher ceiling on offense if he ever decides to put some serious work into his jumper.

Definitely better:
Paul
Rondo
Westbrook
Parker
Curry


Would consider letting these players run my team at the point over Rose:
Irving
Rubio
Wall
Lillard
Bledsoe
Holliday
Teague


I want 5 very specific traits I want out of a point guard: efficient, distributor, defense, shooter, slasher
in that order.

Rose doesn't fit my criteria to my expectations on half of those give or take efficiency depending on the night.

Anyone who says they would rather have Nate Robinson over Rose PERIOD, in ANY facet of the game, needs to follow another sport.

And BTW... in his last two -2- seasons Rose finished Top 10 in Assists. So here's $100... go buy yourself a clue.

 

[Jordan420Bulls]

Anyone who says they would rather have Nate Robinson over Rose PERIOD, in ANY facet of the game, needs to follow another sport.

And BTW... in his last two -2- seasons Rose finished Top 10 in Assists. So here's $100... go buy yourself a clue.

How many turnovers for Rose in his last 2 games...?


That's a pretty important stat for a point guard......No...?

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

Anyone who says they would rather have Nate Robinson over Rose PERIOD, in ANY facet of the game, needs to follow another sport.

And BTW... in his last two -2- seasons Rose finished Top 10 in Assists. So here's $100... go buy yourself a clue.

a) in his last season he didn't qualify with his 39 games played
b) in the season before that I had to go down to a point forward in Lebron to find a lower asst/to avg with players that were ranked at the top of the assist rankings
c) if you have the ball in your greater than 50% of the time you should easily average a lot of assists
d) why is a "top 3" point guard unable to shoot from outside consistently or do better than 10th in assists with players like Devin fucking Harris hot on his heels? Top 33%(starters) in assists for a top flight point guard is nothing special.
e) he was 10th in assists, but 8th in turnovers
f) 1.9 assists per turnover is nothing special for a point guard

If you're a Chicago homer, I understand why you are propping up D Rose as I see sad homers doing it on every message board I read. Unfortunately, that would put you in the same group of people as morons that think he is somehow better than Chris Paul.

I have a couple of questions for you. Feel free to call me stupid and tell me I should follow another sport instead of answering.

If thirty players at a position have comparable minutes, and roughly 1/3 of those players have better stats at arguably the most important stat for said position, is that elite?

Two players play with a group of players, with over half of those players on each player's team being the same player(i.e. both play with the same center, power forward, small forward, and a bench constructed of the same players for the most part).

Player A per 36
18.6 pts
43.3% fg
40.5% 3pt
79.9% ft
3.2 boards
6.5 assists
2.5 turnovers
.2 blocks
1.5 steals

Player B per 36
24.1 points
44.5%
33.2% 2pt
85.8% ft
3.9 boards
7.4 assists
3.3 turnovers
.6 blocks
1 steal

Is player B, based strictly on the numbers above, worth 15 times the amount of player A, or would you accept player A and use the rest of your limited salary limit on other players that could help your team?

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

How many turnovers for Rose in his last 2 games...?


That's a pretty important stat for a point guard......No...?

No question...

I mean, this Hater brings up Efficiency and THEN he says Westbrook is better than Rose.

ROFLMAO

 

[GunsUp_ShootinBlanks]

No question...

I mean, this Hater brings up Efficiency and THEN he says Westbrook is better than Rose.

ROFLMAO

Westbrook was a bit of reach I'll admit.

I am largely offended by his game as well for a point guard.

I really like his defense and explosiveness and he has at the very least gotten 10 assists in a game this year.

 

[TheDangerousKitchen]

a) in his last season he didn't qualify with his 39 games played
b) in the season before that I had to go down to a point forward in Lebron to find a lower asst/to avg with players that were ranked at the top of the assist rankings
c) if you have the ball in your greater than 50% of the time you should easily average a lot of assists
d) why is a "top 3" point guard unable to shoot from outside consistently or do better than 10th in assists with players like Devin fucking Harris hot on his heels? Top 33%(starters) in assists for a top flight point guard is nothing special.
e) he was 10th in assists, but 8th in turnovers
f) 1.9 assists per turnover is nothing special for a point guard

If you're a Chicago homer, I understand why you are propping up D Rose as I see sad homers doing it on every message board I read. Unfortunately, that would put you in the same group of people as morons that think he is somehow better than Chris Paul.

I have a couple of questions for you. Feel free to call me stupid and tell me I should follow another sport instead of answering.

If thirty players at a position have comparable minutes, and roughly 1/3 of those players have better stats at arguably the most important stat for said position, is that elite?

Two players play with a group of players, with over half of those players on each player's team being the same player(i.e. both play with the same center, power forward, small forward, and a bench constructed of the same players for the most part).

Player A per 36
18.6 pts
43.3% fg
40.5% 3pt
79.9% ft
3.2 boards
6.5 assists
2.5 turnovers
.2 blocks
1.5 steals

Player B per 36
24.1 points
44.5%
33.2% 2pt
85.8% ft
3.9 boards
7.4 assists
3.3 turnovers
.6 blocks
1 steal

Is player B, based strictly on the numbers above, worth 15 times the amount of player A, or would you accept player A and use the rest of your limited salary limit on other players that could help your team?

a) So what if he didn't qualify... the fact remains only 7 guys averaged more Assists per game than Rose (in 2012), meaning in the games he DID play, he was among the best "distributors" in the league.

b) Did you conveniently overlook Westbrook (5.6 Assists / 3.7 TO's)? lol

c) Again... during his last 2 season Rose was among the best Assist-men in the game (he was #8 in APG in 2011, and would have ranked 8th in 2012 if he played enough games to qualify)

d) Rose has to be the Bulls #1 Scorer "and" their best Play-maker.. how many other PG's in the league have that dual responsibility?

e) See Russell Westbrook... a player you claim is better. lol

f) Again, see Westbrook AND see "d" above.


As for the rest of your drivel, again, how many of those 30 PG's "have to be" their team's #1 Scoring Option and the best Play-maker?

See, your problem (as a Hater) is the fact that you look at "stats" withOut factoring in context and perspective.