Mike Shanahan

[Sharkinva]

Why should Shanahan stay? Can anyone give me a good reason? He has had 3 of 4 losing seasons with double-digit loses. He has turned the front office into a media circus and has made horrible personel decisions. The damage cannot be repaired with our owner and franchise QB and you want him to stay?

If he hasn't turned the team around after 4 years, then it isn't happening. He is a solid coach, but he cannot make good personel decisions and it got him run off in Denver.

1. RG3 is NOT a franchise QB yet.

2. We have all seen what constantly changing systems and coaches have done to promising young QBs... david Carr, Joey Harrington and even Jason Campbell come to mind.

3. Fuck spoiling Griffin. Coddling him will do nothing but make him worse because he will be reassured that snyder values him above the team.

4. What do all your actual franchise Qbs have in common?? Stability.

 

[skinsdad62]

I agree, this situation could turn out very bad for RG3. Both for the fact that he has to learn another new system while still needing to work on fundamentals as well as the message that RG3 could take from this that he is bigger than any coach. This could be further compounded if Dan was to do something really stupid and hire Briles. That only re-enforces the notion in RG3's head that he is the most important cog in this franchise. Even if it is true.

However, maybe we worry too much about RG3's mental aspect. Maybe we've read too much into it. I hope that's the case and he is less of a ME player than what was portrayed this year.

why do you think Rg3 thinks he is bigger then any coach? how much more hogwash do i have to listen too ? for every accusation out there there is a legit rebuttal yet the negative stories are considered true but the rest is untrue ?

WE INCLUDES ME and why cant the press understand that ?

the only way i believe the RG3 BS waggon is if it shows up again with a new coach. and that is the way it should be if you are giving people a fair and honest shake

i wouldnt hire briles . his offense wont work in the NFL and he is 57 years old . get one those young assistants and go for what you know

now for the coaches . the o/line coach needs to be shown the door . his o/lines are among the worst around . the Dc needs to go . his passive 3-4 isnt working . i dont mind the 3-4 but Rak and kerrigan need to rush the passer more and from more creative spots .

the d/line coach needs to go . we need to develop pass rushers and young guys like jenkins and nield arent developing as they should

slowik as a lb coach is horrendous . burns and the special teams is a fiasco . the wr coach is a bust . the qb coach isnt improving either qb .

i have no issue with kyle and i could give mike another year but can he make those changes ?

and that is the rub

 

[skinsdad62]

a look at who stays

How many Redskins will be back in 2014? | Fanspeak Washington Redskins Blog

looks to be on target

look at the o/line. he predicts most will be gone to include the draft choices of hurst , ribeye, gettis , compton .

very telling there

 

[j_y19]

why do you think Rg3 thinks he is bigger then any coach? how much more hogwash do i have to listen too ? for every accusation out there there is a legit rebuttal yet the negative stories are considered true but the rest is untrue ?

WE INCLUDES ME and why cant the press understand that ?

the only way i believe the RG3 BS waggon is if it shows up again with a new coach. and that is the way it should be if you are giving people a fair and honest shake

i wouldnt hire briles . his offense wont work in the NFL and he is 57 years old . get one those young assistants and go for what you know

now for the coaches . the o/line coach needs to be shown the door . his o/lines are among the worst around . the Dc needs to go . his passive 3-4 isnt working . i dont mind the 3-4 but Rak and kerrigan need to rush the passer more and from more creative spots .

the d/line coach needs to go . we need to develop pass rushers and young guys like jenkins and nield arent developing as they should

slowik as a lb coach is horrendous . burns and the special teams is a fiasco . the wr coach is a bust . the qb coach isnt improving either qb .

i have no issue with kyle and i could give mike another year but can he make those changes ?

and that is the rub

Read what I wrote again, Dad.

 

[j_y19]

Well, if we don't use a zone blocking scheme, we will need bigger OL across the board.

 

[skinsdad62]

Read what I wrote again, Dad.

yeah i shouldnt have quoted you . my bad

 

[skinsdad62]

i would suggest (and not to be mean ) that you follow another team because snyder isnt going anywhere period .

so we will have to live with the 3-5 year reset and doom and gloom will rule the day as we die a thousand deaths

see i think for the most part he has stayed away from things and a few blogs from the washington press corp nazi's wont make me change

the next hire will be telling but if you expect a total hands off approach from snyder then you need to return to never never land

shanny did well with some things . he has upgraded some of the talent . it looks like we will have a good cap situation for a couple of years

he got rid of dead weight

his downfall is he hired the god most awful staff to nurture the young talent we have here and he was inflexible with adjustments both in game and from season to season

tell me what HC wouldnt play to Rg3's strength's ? we used little no huddle ,very little bunch or spread formations . our offense was easily defended . contain garcon and morris and that was it .

we had 2 te's that can stretch a field but they never played together

so shanny shot himself in the foot by not putting aside some BS and putting the team in the best position to win

 

[j_y19]

i would suggest (and not to be mean ) that you follow another team because snyder isnt going anywhere period .

so we will have to live with the 3-5 year reset and doom and gloom will rule the day as we die a thousand deaths

see i think for the most part he has stayed away from things and a few blogs from the washington press corp nazi's wont make me change

the next hire will be telling but if you expect a total hands off approach from snyder then you need to return to never never land

shanny did well with some things . he has upgraded some of the talent . it looks like we will have a good cap situation for a couple of years

he got rid of dead weight

his downfall is he hired the god most awful staff to nurture the young talent we have here and he was inflexible with adjustments both in game and from season to season

tell me what HC wouldnt play to Rg3's strength's ? we used little no huddle ,very little bunch or spread formations . our offense was easily defended . contain garcon and morris and that was it .

we had 2 te's that can stretch a field but they never played together

so shanny shot himself in the foot by not putting aside some BS and putting the team in the best position to win

I wish it were that easy.

 

[duke1861]

I think we detailed all of that in our previous posts. The offense is a good offense. If you believe this is all Shanahan's fault then you missed all the goings on of the past 15 years and stand by for the next circus that will follow.

As far as the front office being a media circus that has been going on since Snyder bought the team. As far as winning records go there have been 4 in Snyder's 15 years. 1999 Snyder's first year of as owner, two under Gibbs and one under Shanahan.

The problem is that we are actually getting worse. Shanahan refuses to address the defense and brings in terrible coaches (Burns). He has done nothing to merit staying here. The last thing we want to do is to keep him around due to fear of disrupting stability. It is not all of Shanahan's fault but the vast majority is. He is running the show and is making the decisions. I honestly don't understand how some of you want him to come back. This is the worst year we have had in decades and its going to get worse while Shanahan is here. Its a results driven league and 3 out of 4 years are losing seasons. Lets move on.

 

[Sportster 72]

dad, the shanahans were the first to use the read option so heavily and that was all for Robert so saying they did not play to his strengths is just plain wrong.
how
Griffin was getting sacked too much with max protection and running two man routes, what do you think would have happened to him if they used four WRs. He locks onto to the 1st receiver and doesn't read defenses worth a crap.

There is truth in what you some of what you say but not about the offense and how it effects Griffin.

As far as not liking what Snyder has done and how he has handled this team, it's not an option. I don't live in Michigan or some other state. Washington has been my home for 50 years, this is my home town team. I am not going to back a shitty owner anymore than I am going to become a fan of another team.

You are a military guy dad and you understand chain of command. The E-1s don't eat with the Generals then expect them to listen when the E-9 tells them to go stand a watch etc. Dan has picked a favorite player throughout his ownership. I can promise you none of those relationships ended well.

 

[Sharkinva]

The problem is that we are actually getting worse. Shanahan refuses to address the defense and brings in terrible coaches (Burns). He has done nothing to merit staying here. The last thing we want to do is to keep him around due to fear of disrupting stability. It is not all of Shanahan's fault but the vast majority is. He is running the show and is making the decisions. I honestly don't understand how some of you want him to come back. This is the worst year we have had in decades and its going to get worse while Shanahan is here. Its a results driven league and 3 out of 4 years are losing seasons. Lets move on.

You are right Duke, the last thing this team needs is stability and some one to put both owner and Spoiled brat QB in check. Better to fire them all and hope our arrogant owner doesnt go on a big name spending spree. Better to expect RG3 to get the message that its not all about him, but the team. Much better to fire the coach and OC who have brought us the most productive offense we have had in DC since 1999. Some one said this fan base needs patients. Yet the first thing most seem to want is a new coach, new scheme and to coddle the QB.

 

[Stymietee]

Shark living in the DC area I get to listen to a lot of the ex players in the area, a lot of it is crap. Cooley getting a job as evening drive time guy has been very cool. He is very plugged into the team since he just played for them. He likes the hell out of Shanahan but has said on more than one occasion he needs to work with some of these guys and not try to make EVERYone fit exactly how Shanahan wants them to.

Cooley was telling a story about he and Gibbs and how Cooley did all kinds of silly things but Gibbs paid no attention as long as he did his job and gave great effort on the field. Cooley's point is Shanahan should take a page from Gibb's book and I agree.

As far as Griffin goes I think all three parties are screwing that deal up, Snyder, Shanahan and Griffin. That is the maddening thing. This team is not that far away but if Griffin isn't managed correctly then I am afraid his talents will go to waste. By that I mean Snyder needs to stay in his office, the coach needs to coach without prejudice and Griffin needs to shut the fuck up and play.

Snyder has been nearly a ghost for the last few years. To suggest that there has been interference from the owner is just playing to the haters. Off-field associations with star players happen all of the time in the NFL and other sport venues as well. Hell, by that reasoning we could surmise any number of scenarios that could be deemed interference. Can't you hear it?? M. Shanahan....."they are hanging out with their wives who are applying undue influence on them." See what I mean?? Maybe if he had the confidence and skillset in selecting players and coaching them, that he wanted us to believe.... then went about his business and coached this team to victories instead of the crap that we have, interference from any source would not matter.

If he took his own advice and didn't allow distractions to affect his performance he might be better off. Good-luck getting him to do so without prejudice.

 

[skinsdad62]

how is Rg3 being coddled again ? was it after you put him in the game when he was obviously hurt trying to win a playoff game . or after you ran some more read option plays while he peg legged it for 3 yds ?

was he coddled when you put him in a scheme with no imagination and ran away from the hurry up offense and bunch formations and ran crap my mother could tell what was coming ?

or maybe you coddled him by playing him week one when you knew he wasnt where he should be but you wanted to win so you played him anyway . he performed well when that part of the playbook was available to him and for the life of me why didnt we stick to what worked

i dont give a damn about what you read in the press or whatever unanmed source who could never lie , or distort a story told you .

RG3 was mishandled this year and has taken way to much blame for this just because you think we paid too much for him .

hell i wanted the guy in as soon as possible but i was wrong . perhaps we should have sat him till the bye week and let him get stronger .

my question as it always is , is where was this during the off season or at the beginning of the year .? how come we find out about the shanny quitting story now almost a year after the fact ?

tell me Rg3 wasnt right when he said defenses KNEW what they were doing ? every team in the NFL knew this . stop AM , contain garcon , make adjustments at the half and you beat the skins

and we have the same thing here with KC . 2 losses same old wash rinse and repeat cycle . fall behind early , mount a comeback , fall short at the end

garbage stats , geez so does ponders stats vs us mean his stats were garbage time because he led a comeback and our defense relaxed ? or mannings ? or romo 's or mckown's ? or rivers ? that is another misconception people have . i think the GB game was the only game you could cry garbage stats on . the rest either his numbers were bad or we had a shot at winning .

the fact is the way our offense is composed neither RG3 or KC or tannehill will ever win consistently if they have to score 31 points just to be in the game too much to ask of 3 young qbs

there is no way to know if we could have drafted guys who could have helped us . one of our 2nd rounders we did keep was jarvis jenkins . does a jarvis jenkins type on offense improve us on the o/line ? it isnt like amerson came in and lit it up ( he could have potential to be good though)

i mean our number 6 overall pick was laron landry once . how did that work out for us ? we had a 1st rounder in JC ? how did that work out ? bradford was # one overall , how has that worked out ? sanchez anyone ? locker ? gabbert ? lots of guys who have or are heading to bustdom and were high picks so just because we had the picks doesnt mean we would have done anything

it only gives us the opportunity too but you have to make the right picks . if RG3 is the wrong guy what makes you think we would have chosen right with the other 4 ?

i say stop crying over spilled milk and thinking about what could have been and see what we could have . a possible franchise qb for the next decade

if he busts out then some high school qb now could be our guy and it will be shanny's big mistake s he slips into jim zorndom and stevespurierdom in the annals of redskins history

his numbers for the 1st 2 years are as good as anyones despite the bad season here and most coaches would love to work with him

so let go of the hole trade thing and stop hating and support the guy until he proves he isnt worth it and think positively for once

 

[Stymietee]

KYLE SHANAHAN SHOULD BE VOTED AS OC OF THE YEAR!!!

Anyone notice that during this whole debacle called an NFL season that Kyle Shanahan has been relatively quiet? Why?? My guess is that to say what he actually knows, his would be the boot that propels his dad on a private/commercial flight out of New York this coming Sunday. More to the point, here's why he should be OC of the year.

1. His Offensive line (the one daddy built) is one dimensional. That dimension? They can run sideways!!!
That's it, they can run sideways and in doing so natural gaps are created. Don't ask them to do
common stuff like grind it out run blocking or pass blocking.

2. I've been getting grief over this but here goes anyway, he has ABSOLUTELY NO threat at WR. Garcon
is a nice player, caught a lot of balls this season, but can you honestly remember the game
(outside his first one back from foot injury) where he was a difference maker? Maybe his presence has
made Hankerson...er... no!......uh... Robinson.....nope....Morgan or Moss....nada...better threats. He
is not the answer at #1.

3. His starting QB had no off-season work with him, yet I'm betting that it was NOT his decision to begin
the year with such a handicap.

4. He worked to make one of his best TEs a legitimate threat until injury sidelined him, then worked
without one.....again because daddy handicapped him by not playing the other one.

So bright guy, what's he done to earn such an honor?? Well, despite all that he's managed to lead this bunch of guys (note the omission of the word team) to a rankings of 9th in yards per game averaging 377.6..........15th in passing yards averaging 239.4 and 5th in rushing averaging 138.2. All this without hardly anything to work with.

Imagine what he would be able to do if he had a game changing WR, an offensive line which could run block (sideways and forward) AND pass block. A dual threat at TE and an off-season to work with his star QB and all these pieces too!!! Dare we dream................

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad.. Im thinking positive. Im positive if left to his own devices, Dan Snyder will screw this up. Im positive some in the fan base will find no wrong in the latest chosen one. And Im positive that the main people who have been screaming for stability, a productive offense and patients are the main ones now screaming fire Mike, protect and support RG3, and while you are at it fire the entire staff and start over.


As for how is he being coddled, any time you are going to fire the OC who has given you a top ten offense the past two seasons because the QB doesnt want to work with him, that is coddling. I dont care if the Nose Tackle of the defense was telling Griffin the plays as he walked up to the line, any real franchise QB would not throw his coaches under the bus as he did.

 

[Stymietee]

this is the idea being speculated by the sports fix on espn 980

Bruce Allen is promoted to Team President
Promote AJ Smith to GM
Hire Lovie Smith as the HC
Hire Terry Shea as the OC

There are better ideas than that going around such as hire to GM C. Casserly or S. Pioli
they will hire the next HC and staff of the team (my hope is R. Grimm, Bill O'Brien or L. Smith, keep Kyle)
Allen to team President

 

[Sportster 72]

Anyone notice that during this whole debacle called an NFL season that Kyle Shanahan has been relatively quiet? Why?? My guess is that to say what he actually knows, his would be the boot that propels his dad on a private/commercial flight out of New York this coming Sunday. More to the point, here's why he should be OC of the year.

1. His Offensive line (the one daddy built) is one dimensional. That dimension? They can run sideways!!!
That's it, they can run sideways and in doing so natural gaps are created. Don't ask them to do
common stuff like grind it out run blocking or pass blocking.

2. I've been getting grief over this but here goes anyway, he has ABSOLUTELY NO threat at WR. Garcon
is a nice player, caught a lot of balls this season, but can you honestly remember the game
(outside his first one back from foot injury) where he was a difference maker? Maybe his presence has
made Hankerson...er... no!......uh... Robinson.....nope....Morgan or Moss....nada...better threats. He
is not the answer at #1.

3. His starting QB had no off-season work with him, yet I'm betting that it was NOT his decision to begin
the year with such a handicap.

4. He worked to make one of his best TEs a legitimate threat until injury sidelined him, then worked
without one.....again because daddy handicapped him by not playing the other one.

So bright guy, what's he done to earn such an honor?? Well, despite all that he's managed to lead this bunch of guys (note the omission of the word team) to a rankings of 9th in yards per game averaging 377.6..........15th in passing yards averaging 239.4 and 5th in rushing averaging 138.2. All this without hardly anything to work with.

Imagine what he would be able to do if he had a game changing WR, an offensive line which could run block (sideways and forward) AND pass block. A dual threat at TE and an off-season to work with his star QB and all these pieces too!!! Dare we dream................

You refute your own arguement in what you have written.

The prinicipals of zone blocking is that you block a zone and not a particular person. There are inside zone plays and outside zone runs (stretch.) It is not always a run sideways scheme. Unlike a power Oline you don't have to knock your guy back you have to wall him off and THEN you slide to the next level. At the snap you wall off the Dlineman in your zone, then slip/slide to the LB or DB on the next level. The Skins have been effective enough to have the No. 5 rushing attack.

Oline protection was good the first half of the year and very good the last two games when protections were set correctly and the QB was releasing the ball more quickly. You could even add that in many cases this was done with the QB under center and not in the pistol where he is already 3 yards behind the LOS.

All that being said the 3 interior lineman or more correctly 2 of the interior lineman, Chester and Montgomery have not played as well as last year and Paulsen's blocking has been okay but not as good as last year.

I like Kyle's offense, it does work when executed. I think he did a great job last year of designing an offense that played to the strengths of a rookie QB who had played in an option offense in college. The biggest problem this year was the D and ST's.

I don't know anymore what to expect is going to happen after Sunday but we will know soon. It sure seems like the same ole three ring circus that we have seen the past 15 years under Snyder.

 

[Sportster 72]

how is Rg3 being coddled again ? was it after you put him in the game when he was obviously hurt trying to win a playoff game . or after you ran some more read option plays while he peg legged it for 3 yds ?

was he coddled when you put him in a scheme with no imagination and ran away from the hurry up offense and bunch formations and ran crap my mother could tell what was coming ?

or maybe you coddled him by playing him week one when you knew he wasnt where he should be but you wanted to win so you played him anyway . he performed well when that part of the playbook was available to him and for the life of me why didnt we stick to what worked

i dont give a damn about what you read in the press or whatever unanmed source who could never lie , or distort a story told you .

RG3 was mishandled this year and has taken way to much blame for this just because you think we paid too much for him .

Do you remember after Kirk beat Cleveland Griffin kept repeating "I am the starting QB and should have started."

Do you remember his slogan "All in for week 1?"

Do you remember his challenge in the preseason "they promised me if I am cleared I can start?"

Robert put all of that on Shanahan. Now Shanahan could have told him to STFU I am the coach but all those things were said and politiced by Griffin.

As far as claiming people read the press and by in I say BS!!! You post tons of blogs including this one written by a fan that is half correct. You can't call those articles gospel and everything else crap. The Redskins have been running bunch formations. Kyle has plays with multiple routes in them. Kyle runs plays to set up plays but if you can't execute the first play the offense does not work correctly. Robert was running the offense so poorly in the 2nd half of the season they had to change the offense and run a number of plays where he only had to read half the field and still he was missing open receivers and holding the ball too long. It doesn't mean give up on the kid but he has a lot work to do in the film room and on the practice field. He completed 70% of his passes last year. Yeah his first read was wide open a lot of the time but still 70% is a high completion rate.

Right now Kirk runs the offense better than Robert but Griffin has more talent. Now it is up to whomever coaches here next year to get that out of him and get him playing more like his rookie year. That is where I think a guy like Whisenhunt can be huge.

I listen to 3 people Chris Cooley, Shawn Springs and John Keim.

 

[Sportster 72]

btw I like bunch formation. You can run a lot of stuff off of it. You can run pick routes. You can flood a zone 8 yard in, 15 yard in and a go route. You can run in, out and up. Those are just a few. Last week the Redskins ran 4 man bunches a few times but the results were average at best. I don't recommend bunch all the time because you want to switch up your looks in an effort to keep the D off balance and you can still run combo routes that accomplish the same thing or you can just plain spread the defense across the field.

One route the Redskins had some success with last week was putting two receivers and a TE on one side of the field then dragging Garcon across from the other side. He only has to beat one DB on a shallow cross and if he accomplishes that he is running for speed with the ball while the receivers on the side of the field he is now heading towards are in position to block for him. As well as that route worked last week we might not see it this weekend. Depends on how they game plan the Giants and what they feel will work best.

One other thing I keep seeing you say that I would say you have to think this all the way through, Cousins 1st start was effectively a tie. He drove the offense to a tying score but the coaches elected to go for the win instead of the tie. Had they chose otherwise who knows what happens. Against Dallas he put the team in position to win but the defense couldn't hold the lead. Of course that happened in games Robert was the QB. They were up on Denver and someone else and the D couldn't protect the lead and one game Robinson dropped a TD pass in the end zone.

When Robert progresses the formation I would like to see is 4 or 5 WRs and empty backfield. You not only put pressure on the DBs but if they run a combination of mid to deep routes and no one is open Griffin might run a mile before the defense can get near him.

 

[cowboycolors]

Skinsdad.. Im thinking positive. Im positive if left to his own devices, Dan Snyder will screw this up.

Shark you are right about Dan Snyder he and Jerry Jones are more alike than most will admit. SMH


As for how is he being coddled, any time you are going to fire the OC who has given you a top ten offense the past two seasons because the QB doesnt want to work with him, that is coddling. I dont care if the Nose Tackle of the defense was telling Griffin the plays as he walked up to the line,

As far as the Defense knowing the play back in the Day with my Cowboys the Defense knew what the Cowboys were going to run. Difference was the Cowboys Offense executed the play anyway. Unlike what is going on in DC now.

Y'all got a giant mess I don't envy you having to watch the cleanup procedures. It will be interesting to see what Snyder does after Sunday.

Buckle up it should be a wild ride