Mike Shanahan

[Sleepy T]

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In the last 10 years (pre 2013)..I count approx. 55 picks that we have had in rounds 3-7. Out of those, I would say that Morris, Riley, Jackson, Cooley (maybe Helu, Cousins, Hank, Doughty, Golston) have actually lived up to the billing and been serviceable players/or starters in this organization. That is 9 players out of almost 60 that have amounted to anything...I am sure could look at list and pick out a couple more..but still. The player/personnel decisions have killed this team for 10+ years.

 

[Sleepy T]

This team needs to (and hopefully does) approach every draft pick like they are going after a starter on this team, not a role player, not a ST guy, not a depth/2nd teamer guy. Draft BPA at a position of need. When we have a set roster, you can draft BPA with little regard to if you need to fill a hole or not.

 

[Blunt8384]

Sooooooo the answer to the question facing them when Reed went down was what again???? Yep he did bring in those players, some are injured so we can't know about them until they can play. While others he immediately miscast. P. Garcon while a number 1 on this team is NOT an NFL game changing #1, most of his catches were the type that is generally offered to TE's. Kerrigan is a defensive end and Robinson should be the slot guy taking the plays that S. Moss gets. Cofield while (key word)> adequately manning the NT was a 5 year veteran tackle with the NYGiants.

Maybe you're right and my imagination is getting the best of me, but I know that every coach has a system and that players don't always fit that system. (Punch line coming)>>> Isn't it a clear that winning teams more often than not adjust their systems to fit their personnel with the idea that they want to maximize the players strong suits?? IJS!!!

They game plan around there best players but Idk about designing a new system every time you have roster turnover. If you keep the same system it builds continuity and maintains balance against those trying to game plan against you. As for Garcon, I belive you put another good WR on the other side of him and see how much more effective he looks. He is killing it while beating double teams. As for coefield, everyone would like to have a Vince Wilfork. Building a winning programing from scratch takes 3-5 years (like an expansion team). Building it from cap hell with an old roster takes longer. People are not patient enough and we will continually suffer for it. The media in Washington does not understand football ( ala, insisting the offense was changed for kirk) and they attack the franchise mercilessly through the paper, radio and t.v. Really frustrating.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

So you believe those 4th, 6th, and 7th rounders on OL could have been better than the 3rd, 5th, and 7th rounder of the previous year in the OL? How stupid are you?

. If we don't spend 3rd 5th 7th on linemen how in the fuck do we get linemen einstein

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

This team needs to (and hopefully does) approach every draft pick like they are going after a starter on this team, not a role player, not a ST guy, not a depth/2nd teamer guy. Draft BPA at a position of need. When we have a set roster, you can draft BPA with little regard to if you need to fill a hole or not.

. Thank you that's my point

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Here's a test' in the 2nd rd there is a good rt but the night before the draft sammy watkins gets caught pooping all over his room his draft stock drops. And wr watkins is there. Do you take the rt or wr

 

[obibyn]

Here's a test' in the 2nd rd there is a good rt but the night before the draft sammy watkins gets caught pooping all over his room his draft stock drops. And wr watkins is there. Do you take the rt or wr

I fail to see how catching someone pooping all over their room would make their draft stock drop.

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[Stymietee]

I fail to see how catching someone pooping all over their room would make their draft stock drop.

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Maybe a guide dog and stick would be helpful.........It's a hypothetical.

 

[Sharkinva]

Here's a test' in the 2nd rd there is a good rt but the night before the draft sammy watkins gets caught pooping all over his room his draft stock drops. And wr watkins is there. Do you take the rt or wr

You take the WR. A grown man taking a dump on the sheets in his hotel room shows a lack of maturity. Right now, we dont need that kind of mindset on the team. Especially seeing as how we are about to likely end up with a new coaching staff, will likely lose most of our team leaders in FA or to retirement. We dont need another kid who thinks he can do and say what ever he wants. Kids like that tend to get worse, not better when you hand them a million dollar contract.

 

[Stymietee]

They game plan around there best players but Idk about designing a new system every time you have roster turnover. If you keep the same system it builds continuity and maintains balance against those trying to game plan against you. As for Garcon, I belive you put another good WR on the other side of him and see how much more effective he looks. He is killing it while beating double teams. As for coefield, everyone would like to have a Vince Wilfork. Building a winning programing from scratch takes 3-5 years (like an expansion team). Building it from cap hell with an old roster takes longer. People are not patient enough and we will continually suffer for it. The media in Washington does not understand football ( ala, insisting the offense was changed for kirk) and they attack the franchise mercilessly through the paper, radio and t.v. Really frustrating.

So F. Davis went from one of THEIR best players at the position to not even being in the game plan because he's not one of THEIR best players at the position when Reed went down?? BTW; one of the chief complaints against this seasons team has been THEIR inability to adjust to what's happening during games. This is a direct result of having a system that is inflexible. No one promotes not having a system, just one that can accommodate and be effective with any given personnel changes.

I have NO DOUBT that P. Garcon would absolutely kill IF this team had Stud WR opposite him, this is also why he is a number 2 by NFL standards. You've just said to me that (and I quote) "As for Garcon, I belive you put another good WR on the other side of him and see how much more effective he looks. He is killing it while beating double teams" Shouldn't he then make whoever is on the other side much better??? Especially since he's commanding double teams, which has not been the case most of the season!!! Scandrick shut him down.

We do agree on the whole cap hell thing and the 3-5 year building process. The media here is like anywhere...everyone likes a winner, losers get flushed (metaphorically).

Lastly I think that the whole offense has changed under Kirk thing relates to the team not running the read-option with him, but again this speaks to coaching. If Kirk runs your system better than RGIII without the read-option (as some are saying) then play him......period. If the read-option is an integral part of your scheme and RGIII runs it better..........stop the comparisons!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

Stymiee.... how can you refute Garcon as a #1 WR when he has caught more passes than anyone else in the league right now despite not having a decent #2 across from him. Teams do have to game plan against him. By your definition Andre Johnson isn't a #1 WR either then.

 

[Stymietee]

Stymiee.... how can you refute Garcon as a #1 WR when he has caught more passes than anyone else in the league right now despite not having a decent #2 across from him. Teams do have to game plan against him. By your definition Andre Johnson isn't a #1 WR either then.

Easilly!!! I have often said that he is ABSOLUTELY a #1 on this team, just not a #1 by NFL standards. You know, a game changer, the guy, the one who puts fear in the hearts of the opposition. Hell, even as the #1 here he's not a game changer.....which means that teams play him and have no fear that in doing so the guy opposite him will burn their asses.

Now I have a question for you..........considering what I've just told you, how do you continue to say that he is???

 

[Sharkinva]

Easilly!!! I have often said that he is ABSOLUTELY a #1 on this team, just not a #1 by NFL standards. You know, a game changer, the guy, the one who puts fear in the hearts of the opposition. Hell, even as the #1 here he's not a game changer.....which means that teams play him and have no fear that in doing so the guy opposite him will burn their asses.

Give him a legit #2 and I think you would see his production go way up. As far as game changer goes, imagine how pathetic our passing game would be without him. Think you are dead wrong on him not being a number one on any other team.

 

[Sportster 72]

Revisionist History

You can't know what would happen for sure but if you could go back would you still make the trade for Griffin? I was against trading up to get him. I would have been okay with picking Tannehill.

What would have been a great pick is Luke Kuechly. He has been one hell of a LB in his short career. Foles, Wilson and Cousins were still out there for the 2nd pick.

I don't think the team would have won the division with one of those QBs last year and would have been picking higher than 21st and this past years draft was not been player rich.

There is no real predicting this same record with a different QB but Kuechly and Clowney sounds like a hell of a start on D. You could possibly include someone like Matt Elam from last years draft.

I said back when we drafted him he would have to be a top 5 QB to be worth what we gave up. I haven't given up hope for him but he really has to take a big step forward in the coming years to call that trade a success.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can't know what would happen for sure but if you could go back would you still make the trade for Griffin? I was against trading up to get him. I would have been okay with picking Tannehill.

What would have been a great pick is Luke Kuechly. He has been one hell of a LB in his short career. Foles, Wilson and Cousins were still out there for the 2nd pick.

I don't think the team would have won the division with one of those QBs last year and would have been picking higher than 21st and this past years draft was not been player rich.

There is no real predicting this same record with a different QB but Kuechly and Clowney sounds like a hell of a start on D. You could possibly include someone like Matt Elam from last years draft.

I said back when we drafted him he would have to be a top 5 QB to be worth what we gave up. I haven't given up hope for him but he really has to take a big step forward in the coming years to call that trade a success.

i have little doubt Rg3 will pan out

 

[Sharkinva]

No comment.

Merry Christmas guys.

 

[Sportster 72]

No comment.

Merry Christmas guys.

I am still hoping dad. God only knows what next year is going to bring.

Merry Christmas and hopefully a much happier new year in football.

 

[j_y19]

It's too early for me to say it was a bad deal.

Guys, we need to step back. RG3 has all of the physical and mental gifts to be an elite QB. What he doesn't have is specific experience as a pocket passer. But with his work ethic and capabilities, it's way too early to say he can't develop those skills. Also, you have to understand he had NO offseason with which to work on these skills. Finally, it is very common for young QBs to regress and struggle in their early years. Look at the best QBs in the league and see how they struggled early. Look at Luck. He is struggling as bad, if not worse than RG3. But you don't hear the national media or the Indy fans calling him a bust. And please don't say that Indy didn't pay what we paid. Its immaterial at this point.

We should have a better idea this time next year. He should be showing improvement in pocket awareness, reading defenses, and scanning the field. He won't be perfect, but improvement should be noticeable. Let's have a bit of patience and give the kid a break. Some of his issues may be self inflicted, but he is still a kid. Remember when you were 23 and thought you knew it all?

 

[Sharkinva]

It's too early for me to say it was a bad deal.

Guys, we need to step back. RG3 has all of the physical and mental gifts to be an elite QB. What he doesn't have is specific experience as a pocket passer. But with his work ethic and capabilities, it's way too early to say he can't develop those skills. Also, you have to understand he had NO offseason with which to work on these skills. Finally, it is very common for young QBs to regress and struggle in their early years. Look at the best QBs in the league and see how they struggled early. Look at Luck. He is struggling as bad, if not worse than RG3. But you don't hear the national media or the Indy fans calling him a bust. And please don't say that Indy didn't pay what we paid. Its immaterial at this point.

We should have a better idea this time next year. He should be showing improvement in pocket awareness, reading defenses, and scanning the field. He won't be perfect, but improvement should be noticeable. Let's have a bit of patience and give the kid a break. Some of his issues may be self inflicted, but he is still a kid. Remember when you were 23 and thought you knew it all?

j_y... have to disagree. Its very material. I know many will disagree, but logic says if you give up as much as we did, the player we got was thought to be able to make up for the possible talent we forfeit to get him. If we had spent one draft pick on him, i would be alot less critical. But in giving up four picks, we basically said he is equal to four players talent wise.

 

[j_y19]

j_y... have to disagree. Its very material. I know many will disagree, but logic says if you give up as much as we did, the player we got was thought to be able to make up for the possible talent we forfeit to get him. If we had spent one draft pick on him, i would be alot less critical. But in giving up four picks, we basically said he is equal to four players talent wise.

Shark, I get that. But my point is it is way too early to claim he is a bust. If he turns into a top 5 qb for us for 7-10 years, would the trade have been worth it? All I ask is that you view his predicament through the lens of all most all good QBs. His production is very similar to most of the best through their first couple of years. Inconsistent. Even those that came from pro style offenses had trouble adapting to the complexities and speed of the NFL. Give him another year.