Pierre Garcon a Legit #1 WR

[Krusheasy]

What he's not is this big stud that you can throw it to even if covered and feel like the WR will come down with it most of the time.

I think what WAS needs is another reliable WR...with some size.

Several times this season Garcon has come down with one handed catches in double & triple coverages ... thrown to him from a QB who often doesnt look for other options, because he has none.

That fact that Garcon is putting up good numbers despite being the only option for Griffin, other then a rookie TE, speaks volumes. Was OC offenses have been top 5 in 4 of the 6 years he's been a NFL OC. If & when Was develops a #2 WR their offensive will be fun to watch.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Several times this season Garcon has come down with one handed catches in double & triple coverages ... thrown to him from a QB who often doesnt look for other options, because he has none.

That fact that Garcon is putting up good numbers despite being the only option for Griffin, other then a rookie TE, speaks volumes. Was OC offenses have been top 5 in 4 of the 6 years he's been a NFL OC. If & when Was develops a #2 WR their offensive will be fun to watch.

I don't doubt that he can make great catches, (A. Brown has made some outstanding plays as well) but at a shade over 6', as a QB you can't really think he's going to come down with it most of the time, vs a WR that's taller is my point.

 

[fastforward]

You don't judge whether someone is a #1 receiver by their stats. Hartline was a good WR for the Dolphins last year but you couldn't call him a #1 WR. A lot of people would say that Welker wasn't a #1 WR.

 

[cdumler7]

You don't judge whether someone is a #1 receiver by their stats. Hartline was a good WR for the Dolphins last year but you couldn't call him a #1 WR. A lot of people would say that Welker wasn't a #1 WR.

This is where defining what one means by #1 receiver would be important. Like you said some wouldn't call Welker a #1 in this league because he plays out of the slot position but his stats suggest he should be in every conversation about top 5 receivers in this league.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

This is where defining what one means by #1 receiver would be important. Like you said some wouldn't call Welker a #1 in this league because he plays out of the slot position but his stats suggest he should be in every conversation about top 5 receivers in this league.

IMO it would be hard to call a slot WR a true #1 because most of the time the slot is drawing the #3 CB.

 

[cdumler7]

IMO it would be hard to call a slot WR a true #1 because most of the time the slot is drawing the #3 CB.

I understand your thought but at the same time remember in this past draft a slot receiver was the first receiver taken in the draft so teams are obviously starting to realize the importance of the position and the advantage that having a good/great slot receiver can be for a team. With the rule changes in the NFL and the ability to actually go across the middle now it has opened up a whole new thought process on how an offense attacks a defense and has brought greater value to the slot position. The fact that #1 corners usually don't have the skill set to actually cover a slot receiver should show that teams realize this is a huge advantage to draw maybe a 3rd best corner on a team against a team's top receiver.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I understand your thought but at the same time remember in this past draft a slot receiver was the first receiver taken in the draft so teams are obviously starting to realize the importance of the position and the advantage that having a good/great slot receiver can be for a team. With the rule changes in the NFL and the ability to actually go across the middle now it has opened up a whole new thought process on how an offense attacks a defense and has brought greater value to the slot position. The fact that #1 corners usually don't have the skill set to actually cover a slot receiver should show that teams realize this is a huge advantage to draw maybe a 3rd best corner on a team against a team's top receiver.

Agree 100% there, and that's largely why Austin was the 1st WR off the board, but also a year that did not have a clear cut stud @ the position...no doubt...you need 3 WRs that can play in this era...no longer is the slot guy automatically considered to be the 3rd WR from a talent standpoint.

Skillset...Idk about that...in '08...PIT went into NE and Ike played Welker man up all over the field and shut him down actually. That said, I agree more than disagree there, that was an isolated game I wanted to point out. Not sure if skillset is the word I would use though.

I think teams will start to look at slot CBs like starters basically and put more resources towards that position, just as teams are all looking for the next Welker or Cruz.

 

[cdumler7]

Agree 100% there, and that's largely why Austin was the 1st WR off the board, but also a year that did not have a clear cut stud @ the position...no doubt...you need 3 WRs that can play in this era...no longer is the slot guy automatically considered to be the 3rd WR from a talent standpoint.

Skillset...Idk about that...in '08...PIT went into NE and Ike played Welker man up all over the field and shut him down actually. Actually I agree more than disagree there, that was an isolated game I wanted to point out. Not sure if skillset is the word I would use though.

I think teams will start to look at slot CBs like starters basically and put more resources towards that position, just as teams are all looking for the next Welker or Cruz.

Ok maybe skillset was the wrong word to use. Since there are so many defensive formations, body types, speed differences, strength, and so many other differences I will just say there are some corners that are more geared towards covering the outside bigger receiver than that of the slot receiver with more speed in space. I look at this Bronco/Chiefs game as a great example in if I were the Chiefs I would never stick Sean Smith on Welker as he is 6'3" and doesn't have the speed I would say to cover in the middle. Where a guy like Brandon Flowers at 5'9" has the speed and skills to at least contain Welker on a good day. Now I will say there are some corners who I would match up on anyone and expect them to have success and then there are other guys who do better against a certain type of receiver than others.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Ok maybe skillset was the wrong word to use. Since there are so many defensive formations, body types, speed differences, strength, and so many other differences I will just say there are some corners that are more geared towards covering the outside bigger receiver than that of the slot receiver with more speed in space. I look at this Bronco/Chiefs game as a great example in if I were the Chiefs I would never stick Sean Smith on Welker as he is 6'3" and doesn't have the speed I would say to cover in the middle. Where a guy like Brandon Flowers at 5'9" has the speed and skills to at least contain Welker on a good day. Now I will say there are some corners who I would match up on anyone and expect them to have success and then there are other guys who do better against a certain type of receiver than others.

Which is exactly why Flowers has been moved to the slot position this year with the emergence of Marcus Cooper. I would just about guarantee you see Flowers vs. Welker on Sunday.

 

[cdumler7]

Which is exactly why Flowers has been moved to the slot position this year with the emergence of Marcus Cooper. I would just about guarantee you see Flowers vs. Welker on Sunday.

The move makes sense. Should be a great match up on Sunday. Great corner against a great receiver. Always enjoy seeing those battles.

 

[JDM]

This is where defining what one means by #1 receiver would be important. Like you said some wouldn't call Welker a #1 in this league because he plays out of the slot position but his stats suggest he should be in every conversation about top 5 receivers in this league.

No he shouldn't.

 

[JDM]

On the actual topic, Garçon is a solid guy, but if he's your number one your receiving corps is mediocre.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Ok maybe skillset was the wrong word to use. Since there are so many defensive formations, body types, speed differences, strength, and so many other differences I will just say there are some corners that are more geared towards covering the outside bigger receiver than that of the slot receiver with more speed in space. I look at this Bronco/Chiefs game as a great example in if I were the Chiefs I would never stick Sean Smith on Welker as he is 6'3" and doesn't have the speed I would say to cover in the middle. Where a guy like Brandon Flowers at 5'9" has the speed and skills to at least contain Welker on a good day. Now I will say there are some corners who I would match up on anyone and expect them to have success and then there are other guys who do better against a certain type of receiver than others.

Agreed...circling back to the rules change...the middle of the field is a lot more open now...imo Welker is a special talent and probably would be effective in any era. But speed in the middle of the field is the new challenge for DEF. Smaller CBs like Honey Badger are going to start getting picked higher.

 

[Money]

On the actual topic, Garçon is a solid guy, but if he's your number one your receiving corps is mediocre.

I would take a Garcon/T.Smith combo any day of the week and I don't think many would be calling them mediocre.

 

[cdumler7]

I would take a Garcon/T.Smith combo any day of the week and I don't think many would be calling them mediocre.

I don't think anybody would be calling them top 5 combos in the NFL either though.

 

[Nipsey]

I wish he was on The Pats. In the few plays I caught the other night, he was running like a beast after the catch.

 

[Money]

I don't think anybody would be calling them top 5 combos in the NFL either though.

Who would you have ahead of them? Right now you are talking about the 7th and 11th leading receivers in the NFL. I see Thomas/Decker, a healthy Jones/White, maybe Wayne/Hilton?

 

[Kevin12773]

He's better than I thought he was watching him weekly now. I could care less if some talking head calls him a 1 2 or 3, I'm glad the skins have him

 

[cdumler7]

Who would you have ahead of them? Right now you are talking about the 7th and 11th leading receivers in the NFL. I see Thomas/Decker, a healthy Jones/White, maybe Wayne/Hilton?

Well like you said Thomas/Decker, Jones White, Wayne/Hilton, and I would add Megatron and whoever is #2 on the Lions, Jeffrey/Marshall, Dez Bryant/Austin (when healthy), Cruz/Nicks, Jackson/Williams, Cobb/Nelson, Johnson/Hopkins are ones I can think off the top of my head that I like the combos a little better. Some because of the different skill sets they bring to the table and some because I think when healthy are just match up nightmares.

I guess I look at Torrey Smith as a deep threat guy with some skills to go over the middle. Teams have pretty much eliminated him recently. He hasn't been over a hundred yards in 5 weeks and I just see his skill set being limited compared to some others. Throw in he only has 2 touchdowns on the year and just really isn't much of a red zone threat.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Who would you have ahead of them? Right now you are talking about the 7th and 11th leading receivers in the NFL. I see Thomas/Decker, a healthy Jones/White, maybe Wayne/Hilton?

Garcion/Smith...on their respective teams they are ranked as such, but both are really the same guy. Both have good speed but are run a limited route tree.

Smith imo had the perfect complimentary type WR in Boldin. A tough, reliable WR like Roddy is for Julio.