MBBRL team posts.................

[TKOSpikes]

I don't think you can make that assertion anymore. His talent level now, with all of the injuries he's had, is not what it was when he was a rookie. Even when he's "healthy" now, he has lost a step and doesn't run with the same power he used to with his shoulder issues. He is also not in a good offense for him to flourish, as the box will be stacked quite a bit. I'd say the only other "starting" RBs I'd take DMC over at this point would be whomever starts for the Jets, Cardinals, Chargers and Colts.

We'll have to agree to disagree. The only argument against DMC is his injury history. And for the record, Lisfranc injuries are terrible and a long road to recovery. DMC is 3 years removed from a 1700 yard (total) season. In 2011, was on his way to leading the league in everything before that dreaded injury. CJ's "comeback" season last year was middle of the pack. If (and I know it's the biggest if in the NFL, and the main reason for your argument), but if DMC plays a full season, he will not be a middle of the pack RB.

Tennessee's offense is no different than Oakland's when it comes to opposing defenses keying on someone.

And as for the Jets, Cards, Bolts and Colts, that's your decision, but there's a reason DMC doesn't fall to the middle rounds like they do, even with his injury history. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

 

[TKOSpikes]

And as for the Jets, Cards, Bolts and Colts, that's your decision, but there's a reason DMC doesn't fall to the middle rounds like they do, even with his injury history. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

sorry, read your post wrong, I see you would take DMC over them (whew...didn't know how to argue that point)...

 

[TKOSpikes]

2010: 223 carries, 1157 yards, 7 TD - This is good RB2 stuff to me, but low-end RB 1 at best.
2012: 216 carries, 707 yards, 2 TD - That is an enormous drop off, and it's because his body is slowing down.

You forgot 2011

DMC -- 113 carries, 614 yards, 4 TD and 19 grabs for 154 yards and a TD (7 games)

CJ -- 262 carries, 1047 yards, 4 TD and 36 grabs for 232 yards and no TD (16 games)

...again, the injury thing is still in your favor, but as for game to game talent... I'm still taking DMC.

 

[wilwhite]

Still mostly on topic, Will and I each had the 10 spot in our 2 drafts (Suicide and this one) and ended up with 2 WAY different teams after our first 2 picks (we each took Megatron and Marshall). Now the fact that I'm higher on Gore than most (seems like the gift that keeps on giving) could have something to do with him being gone for Will's 3rd round pick (the way RB's were flying I'd have to say BS though). Now there have been some injuries to WR's but I'm just curious as to what you guys might think as to why so different...................

I have an easy answer: after Marshall, you got the fifth and sixth next RBs; I got the 10th and 12th.

Obviously my team would have been better if a little receiver-fever had taken hold. Not much I could do about that, though.

 

[Sox33OSU]

I guess as far as the DMC thing goes, I understand he was in a bad system last year, but he's also 2 years worth of typical DMC injuries removed from his last season in the old system. Not only that, but that offensive line was already not good and now they just lost their LT for the next 3 months. I know he looked good a few years ago, but that's a few years of injuries to account for. Couple that with an unproven QB and a really unproven group of receivers, and I just don't see the point in drafting him over so many other guys with better health and better circumstances.

 

[Sox33OSU]

You forgot 2011

DMC -- 113 carries, 614 yards, 4 TD and 19 grabs for 154 yards and a TD (7 games)

CJ -- 262 carries, 1047 yards, 4 TD and 36 grabs for 232 yards and no TD (16 games)

...again, the injury thing is still in your favor, but as for game to game talent... I'm still taking DMC.

I wasn't comparing CJ and DMC, those 2 years I listed were just McFadden and they're the only 2 years he's eclipsed 200 carries.

 

[leftypower]

Team Lefty -
QB - P. Manning (Rd4) - A little early than I wouldhave preferred but couldn't pass on the value and I knew he'd never make itback in Rd 5. ( my rank 35, pick 40th)
RB - Trent Richardson- (Rd 1) - Best available 3 down RB on my list . (rank 8, pick 9)
RB - S. Jackson - (Rd 2) - Actually was looking atForte here but he went earlier. But is another3 down back in a great offense. (rank14, pick 16)
WR - J. Nelson - (Rd5) - Missed on top tier WR's due to TE & QB picks in Rd's 3 &4. Injury concerns, but very solid inhigh powered offense when healthy. (rank46, pick 57)
WR - A. Brown - (Rd6) - several options available here but has higher upside. (rank 54, pick64)
WR/flex - C. Shorts -(Rd 7) - all viable RB's long gone. Featured Jags WR for at least first 4 weeks. They will be behind andhave to pass, even Gabbert can make completions against prevent. (rank 73, pick 81)
TE - J. Graham - (Rd3) - really didn't want to do it, planned RB here or in the 4th butcouldn't pass the value. (rank 16, pick33)
DST - Steelers - (Rd 12) - DSTrun began earlier than anticipated but still made out ok. Always solid with Tomlin in-charge.
K- G. Hartley - (Rd14). High powered offense, plays ina dome.
Bench -
WR - M. Williams -(Rd 11) - shocked he was here. Goodbye-week player and/or fill-in as needed. (rank 83, pick 129)
WR- J. Gordon - (Rd 9) - another value toogood to pass, will likely be flex or starter after wk 2. (rank 88, pick 105)
RB - R. Hillman - (Rd8) - needed some RB depth and may be starter, although not excited abouthim. Possible bye-week play. (rank 94, pick 88)
RB - D. Woodhead -(Rd 10) - already passing down back, which SD will do a lot. Potential bye-week or flex play. (rank 106, pick 112)
WR - D. Thompkins -(Rd 13) - flyer pick here, has made good impression with Brady and hoodieso may be a gem. If not, I will need aslot for bye-week replacements anyway. (rank165, pick 153).
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All in all, I'm not unhappy with the team, although I wish Ihad at least one more definite starting RB, and a top tier WR (although potential is there). Lack of RB depth there is a bit concerningbut it is what it is.

A few picks that didn't quite fall right for me; S. Vereenor D. Bowe (RD 5), D. Richardson or D. Jackson (Rd 7), G. Tate (Rd 9).

 

[TKOSpikes]

I wasn't comparing CJ and DMC, those 2 years I listed were just McFadden and they're the only 2 years he's eclipsed 200 carries.

I know, but you were comparing their game to game talent, so I figured I'd throw it in there...

 

[Sox33OSU]

I know, but you were comparing their game to game talent, so I figured I'd throw it in there...

Would you rather have DMC's stats from that year or CJ's? I'd take CJ no question. In fact, there hasn't been a single season in the 5-year careers of both guys that the edge would go to DMC. CJ has had a higher YPA in 3 of 5 seasons, more rushing yards all 5 seasons, equal or more TDs in all 5 seasons, and he's only missed 1 game. Not only that, but he has a far better offensive line and more talent around him to keep defenses honest. Advantage CJ, and it isn't even close.

 

[wilwhite]

Lefty's team looks solid even without Graham. With him, it looks awfully good.

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

Lefty's team looks solid even without Graham. With him, it looks awfully good.

I say this every year once the draft is over...Lefty looks to have awfully good team and will be hard to beat. This may be the kiss of death for Lefty, again.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Would you rather have DMC's stats from that year or CJ's?

Yes I would rather have DMC that year, if I could add it with whoever I replaced him with, which most likely would have been his hand cuff, Michael Bush, who ended up with 977 yards and 7 TD... CJ had 5 games of double digits out of 16. That would hurt your team more than help coming from your RB1. DMC had 5 out of 6!! Which would have given you a nice start to the season...(the 7th game in 2011, he had 2 carries, so basically, he had 6 games that year).


We aren't getting anywhere here, we're just gonna have to see how she unfolds!

 

[wilwhite]

Didn't Lefty make the championship game last year?

 

[TK21775]

B League, 10th Spot

QB: Matt Ryan
RB: LeSean McCoy
RB: Lamar Miller
WR: AJ Green
WR: Mike Williams
TE: Tony Gonzalez
Flex: Chris Ivory
Def: Bengals
K: Justin Tucker

WR: Steve Johnson
WR: Chris Givens
WR: Vincent Brown
RB: Zac Stacy
QB: Josh Freeman

 

[Sox33OSU]

Yes I would rather have DMC that year, if I could add it with whoever I replaced him with, which most likely would have been his hand cuff, Michael Bush, who ended up with 977 yards and 7 TD... CJ had 5 games of double digits out of 16. That would hurt your team more than help coming from your RB1. DMC had 5 out of 6!! Which would have given you a nice start to the season...(the 7th game in 2011, he had 2 carries, so basically, he had 6 games that year).


We aren't getting anywhere here, we're just gonna have to see how she unfolds!

Well you're talking about adding another player to the fold, which isn't fair for this exercise. We're simply talking DMC and CJ, and there's never been a season that DMC was a better choice by himself.

 

[wilwhite]

I suggest a DMC thread for any additional thoughts.

 

[Sox33OSU]

I suggest a DMC thread for any additional thoughts.

Good call, can do.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Team Lefty -
QB - P. Manning (Rd4) - A little early than I wouldhave preferred but couldn't pass on the value and I knew he'd never make itback in Rd 5. ( my rank 35, pick 40th)
RB - Trent Richardson- (Rd 1) - Best available 3 down RB on my list . (rank 8, pick 9)
RB - S. Jackson - (Rd 2) - Actually was looking atForte here but he went earlier. But is another3 down back in a great offense. (rank14, pick 16)
WR - J. Nelson - (Rd5) - Missed on top tier WR's due to TE & QB picks in Rd's 3 &4. Injury concerns, but very solid inhigh powered offense when healthy. (rank46, pick 57)
WR - A. Brown - (Rd6) - several options available here but has higher upside. (rank 54, pick64)
WR/flex - C. Shorts -(Rd 7) - all viable RB's long gone. Featured Jags WR for at least first 4 weeks. They will be behind andhave to pass, even Gabbert can make completions against prevent. (rank 73, pick 81)
TE - J. Graham - (Rd3) - really didn't want to do it, planned RB here or in the 4th butcouldn't pass the value. (rank 16, pick33)
DST - Steelers - (Rd 12) - DSTrun began earlier than anticipated but still made out ok. Always solid with Tomlin in-charge.
K- G. Hartley - (Rd14). High powered offense, plays ina dome.
Bench -
WR - M. Williams -(Rd 11) - shocked he was here. Goodbye-week player and/or fill-in as needed. (rank 83, pick 129)
WR- J. Gordon - (Rd 9) - another value toogood to pass, will likely be flex or starter after wk 2. (rank 88, pick 105)
RB - R. Hillman - (Rd8) - needed some RB depth and may be starter, although not excited abouthim. Possible bye-week play. (rank 94, pick 88)
RB - D. Woodhead -(Rd 10) - already passing down back, which SD will do a lot. Potential bye-week or flex play. (rank 106, pick 112)
WR - D. Thompkins -(Rd 13) - flyer pick here, has made good impression with Brady and hoodieso may be a gem. If not, I will need aslot for bye-week replacements anyway. (rank165, pick 153).
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All in all, I'm not unhappy with the team, although I wish Ihad at least one more definite starting RB, and a top tier WR (although potential is there). Lack of RB depth there is a bit concerningbut it is what it is.

A few picks that didn't quite fall right for me; S. Vereenor D. Bowe (RD 5), D. Richardson or D. Jackson (Rd 7), G. Tate (Rd 9).

Yeah Lefty, I had Brown and Shorts (but not brown shorts) in my cue and ready to go...........to you!

 

[SmokingMonkey]

B League, 10th Spot

QB: Matt Ryan
RB: LeSean McCoy
RB: Lamar Miller
WR: AJ Green
WR: Mike Williams
TE: Tony Gonzalez
Flex: Chris Ivory
Def: Bengals
K: Justin Tucker

WR: Steve Johnson
WR: Chris Givens
WR: Vincent Brown
RB: Zac Stacy
QB: Josh Freeman

Just curious - what round did you take Ivory in, and what other RBs were available? Same question for Mike Williams.

Solid foundation, but just wondering about those 2 guys since you have them in your starting lineup, and if they were on my team, Id want them on my bench

 

[Sox33OSU]

Just curious - what round did you take Ivory in, and what other RBs were available? Same question for Mike Williams.

Solid foundation, but just wondering about those 2 guys since you have them in your starting lineup, and if they were on my team, Id want them on my bench

I doubt Williams ends up getting the nod over Stevie Johnson, to be fair.