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[trojanfan12]

The Nets don't strike me of having that championship culture with the current roster they have. They still got beat by the Bulls second string squad in the playoffs.

I trust Pat Riley, he'll know what to do to retool this team. Lebron not having loyalty isn't the question. Hell, Cleveland should've put a competent team and coach around him. Lebron will want a good situation as he won't want to waste his prime on a rebuild which is understandable as it's now ring time. In the 2014-2015, the Heat could look like a far different team with some of the contracts coming off the books as it's possible all 3 of the big 3 could opt out for lesser deals. Alot of speculation and guessing considering we just got done wrapping up the 2013 season a week ago.

If the Heat win another title, I can almost guarantee Lebron doesn't leave for other teams.

No question that Riley will know what to do, the question will be: how much is Arison willing to spend? As for Lebron and leaving after next season. I wouldn't put too much stock in him staying even if the Heat win again next season.

D-Wade is getting old and has been injury prone for a few years. He isn't going to suddenly return to being the D-Wade of 2006 or so and those times when he looked like that D-Wade were inconsistent at best this past season. He basically had to pick his spots because he no longer can play like that every game. Those games are going be further and farther between over the next few seasons.

I don't see Lebron being cool with trying to win championships with Bosh and 1/2 of D-Wade!! I think Lebron will look at who is offering the best chance to win and that will be who he signs with. Riley knowing how to keep the team on top, won't be an issue (which will give the Heat a decided advantage in re-signing him), but Arison having/being willing to spend the money might be an issue!!

 

[Flauge]

No question that Riley will know what to do, the question will be: how much is Arison willing to spend? As for Lebron and leaving after next season. I wouldn't put too much stock in him staying even if the Heat win again next season.

D-Wade is getting old and has been injury prone for a few years. He isn't going to suddenly return to being the D-Wade of 2006 or so and those times when he looked like that D-Wade were inconsistent at best this past season. He basically had to pick his spots because he no longer can play like that every game. Those games are going be further and farther between over the next few seasons.

I don't see Lebron being cool with trying to win championships with Bosh and 1/2 of D-Wade!! I think Lebron will look at who is offering the best chance to win and that will be who he signs with. Riley knowing how to keep the team on top, won't be an issue (which will give the Heat a decided advantage in re-signing him), but Arison having/being willing to spend the money might be an issue!!

we will see how wade does next year. but saying he is half of DWade and had to pick his spots is bullshit. DWade averaged 22 points per game 5+ boards 5+ assists and 1.9 steals, he also shot a career best 52.1% from the field. He isnt this washed up half a player you and barkley seem to be claiming. yes he sucked in the playoffs.. knee injuries. he had off season surgery last year, still had a great season, and then injured his other knee this year. If Kobe can go to Europe and cure his ailing knees, I dont see why wade cant.

Arison has the money. Willing to spend it may be the question.. but having the money.. he has it. Forbes estimated his wealth at 5.7 billion in March 2013.
Micky Arison - Forbes

 

[Flauge]

No question that Riley will know what to do, the question will be: how much is Arison willing to spend? As for Lebron and leaving after next season. I wouldn't put too much stock in him staying even if the Heat win again next season.

D-Wade is getting old and has been injury prone for a few years. He isn't going to suddenly return to being the D-Wade of 2006 or so and those times when he looked like that D-Wade were inconsistent at best this past season. He basically had to pick his spots because he no longer can play like that every game. Those games are going be further and farther between over the next few seasons.

I don't see Lebron being cool with trying to win championships with Bosh and 1/2 of D-Wade!! I think Lebron will look at who is offering the best chance to win and that will be who he signs with. Riley knowing how to keep the team on top, won't be an issue (which will give the Heat a decided advantage in re-signing him), but Arison having/being willing to spend the money might be an issue!!

we will see how wade does next year. but saying he is half of DWade and had to pick his spots is bullshit. DWade averaged 22 points per game 5+ boards 5+ assists and 1.9 steals, he also shot a career best 52.1% from the field. He isnt this washed up half a player you and barkley seem to be claiming. yes he sucked in the playoffs.. knee injuries. he had off season surgery last year, still had a great season, and then injured his other knee this year. If Kobe can go to Europe and cure his ailing knees, I dont see why wade cant.

Arison has the money. Willing to spend it may be the question.. but having the money.. he has it. Forbes estimated his wealth at 5.7 billion in March 2013.
Micky Arison - Forbes

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

No question that Riley will know what to do, the question will be: how much is Arison willing to spend? As for Lebron and leaving after next season. I wouldn't put too much stock in him staying even if the Heat win again next season.

D-Wade is getting old and has been injury prone for a few years. He isn't going to suddenly return to being the D-Wade of 2006 or so and those times when he looked like that D-Wade were inconsistent at best this past season. He basically had to pick his spots because he no longer can play like that every game. Those games are going be further and farther between over the next few seasons.

I don't see Lebron being cool with trying to win championships with Bosh and 1/2 of D-Wade!! I think Lebron will look at who is offering the best chance to win and that will be who he signs with. Riley knowing how to keep the team on top, won't be an issue (which will give the Heat a decided advantage in re-signing him),

but Arison having/being willing to spend the money might be an issue!!

My belief is that if the Big 3 feel they can still win together and James wants them to stay together, then Arison will accommodate them.
It's only fair to give back to the players who initially sacrificed to help you achieve the vision that Riley had.

 

[trojanfan12]

we will see how wade does next year. but saying he is half of DWade and had to pick his spots is bullshit. DWade averaged 22 points per game 5+ boards 5+ assists and 1.9 steals, he also shot a career best 52.1% from the field. He isnt this washed up half a player you and barkley seem to be claiming. yes he sucked in the playoffs.. knee injuries. he had off season surgery last year, still had a great season, and then injured his other knee this year. If Kobe can go to Europe and cure his ailing knees, I dont see why wade cant.

Arison has the money. Willing to spend it may be the question.. but having the money.. he has it. Forbes estimated his wealth at 5.7 billion in March 2013.
Micky Arison - Forbes

You don't think that some of what we saw in the playoffs was the result of the wear and tear on his body? D-Wade is/was a great player, but his game has always been based on his ability to get to the hoop as he is an average jump shooter.

I'm not saying he's washed up, just that he's not the 2006 D-Wade and he's not going to be again. It's not a knock on him, it's a tip of the hat to Father Time. Kobe isn't the player he was in 2006 either and I'm not going to try and claim that he is. Like Kobe, D-Wade's best years are behind him, not in front of him. The guy is a warrior and it's taking a toll.

Even with the knee treatments Kobe got, he still had to adjust his game because of his age. Even towards the end of this season when he was all but single-handedly dragging the Lakers to the playoffs and looking like a "young Kobe", there were times when he actually looked tired, I've never seen him look tired before.

As for Arison, having the money and being willing to spend the money are 2 different things. Especially if his boats keep sinking!!

 

[trojanfan12]

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My belief is that if the Big 3 feel they can still win together and James wants them to stay together, then Arison will accommodate them.
It's only fair to give back to the players who initially sacrificed to help you achieve the vision that Riley had.

Can't disagree with that!! I think much of it will depend on D-Wade's health, Bosh stepping up and who the Heat can put around them.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

I am not really buying into this "sacrifice" thing.

Lebron and Chris Bosh I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest paid "non Larry Bird" free agents in the league.

Add in the jock tax ramifications of Florida (versus Canadien and Ohio taxes), there was virtually no sacrificing anything.

I haven't broken down every deal, but only Amare Stoudemire signed for more money as a team jumping free agent.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I am not really buying into this "sacrifice" thing.

Lebron and Chris Bosh I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest paid "non Larry Bird" free agents in the league.

Add in the jock tax ramifications of Florida (versus Canadien and Ohio taxes), there was virtually no sacrificing anything.

I haven't broken down every deal, but only Amare Stoudemire signed for more money as a team jumping free agent.

Simply not true. First of all, every other FA took every nickel they could get, let alone the Carmelo Anthony's who forced teams to give then extensions which netted them more then they would have gotten as max FA's.

What the Big 3 sacrificed was enough to get UD a contract earning enough so that he would stay.
He had already said goodbye to Riley figuring he was going to Dallas (I believe).

That might not seem like a big deal, and I know UD hurt his foot, but everyone knew our bench was going to be pretty much bare boned that first year.

On top of that, UD sacrificed many millions of dollars to stay which helped set the precedent of other willing to do the same thing to be part of this team.

I agree that taxes also plays an important role, but some of you guys will use it in this type of discussion to say they really didn't sacrifice, but then flat ignore it when you say James will move to NY or LA which are 2 of the most highly taxed, if not the most highly taxed teams in the league.

 

[Black Adam]

Better hope CL67 doesn't see this!!

Lord only knows why I bothered(considering this is just another weak-ass Turnip troll thread), but I did. that'll be a minute i'll never get back...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Lord only knows why I bothered(considering this is just another weak-ass Turnip troll thread), but I did. that'll be a minute i'll never get back...

It only became one once you showed up. Before that you had adults making adult conversation.

If you dont feel the Laker billboards are lame, you are entitled to your opinion, but you will at the same time be the first person to offer that opinion.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree that taxes also plays an important role, but some of you guys will use it in this type of discussion to say they really didn't sacrifice, but then flat ignore it when you say James will move to NY or LA which are 2 of the most highly taxed, if not the most highly taxed teams in the league.

You mean like how some of you have been saying that Dwight will sign with Dallas or Houston because of with their lack of state income tax ,the difference between what he could make with the Lakers and the Mavs or Rockets minimal, but then forget that Florida has no state income tax when talking about how the big 3 "sacrificed" to come together in Miami?

Guess it just depends on which side of the fence you're on!!

And the idea of superstar players, who are making 10's of millions of dollars no matter where they sign, "sacrificing" is laughable at best!!

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Jerry Buss would rip that banner down so quick.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You mean like how some of you have been saying that Dwight will sign with Dallas or Houston because of with their lack of state income tax ,the difference between what he could make with the Lakers and the Mavs or Rockets minimal, but then forget that Florida has no state income tax when talking about how the big 3 "sacrificed" to come together in Miami?

Guess it just depends on which side of the fence you're on!!

And the idea of superstar players, who are making 10's of millions of dollars no matter where they sign, "sacrificing" is laughable at best!!

The difference still comes down to taking less then max contract money so that a team can use it to sign better/additional players.

I never said Howard would leave for that reason, I only said that he wouldn't lose any money by choosing a Texas team over LA when LA fans said he would be crazy to leave 30M or whatever the number being thrown around was.

However you want to twist it, the fact remains that regardless of the team, the city, the taxes, or whatever, then Heats Big 3 left salary dollars behind to help the owner build a better roster. No other max type free agents have.

 

[Flauge]

You mean like how some of you have been saying that Dwight will sign with Dallas or Houston because of with their lack of state income tax ,the difference between what he could make with the Lakers and the Mavs or Rockets minimal, but then forget that Florida has no state income tax when talking about how the big 3 "sacrificed" to come together in Miami?

Guess it just depends on which side of the fence you're on!!

And the idea of superstar players, who are making 10's of millions of dollars no matter where they sign, "sacrificing" is laughable at best!!

it's 13% in california. that's a huge difference than most states. depending on where the big 3 went depends on how much they would have sacrificed. but in california anyone making alot of money is hit with 40% federal 13% state. youre talking 53% gone in taxes. then cut your agent in.. not worth it to some players. just isnt. some it will be.

 

[trojanfan12]

it's 13% in california. that's a huge difference than most states. depending on where the big 3 went depends on how much they would have sacrificed. but in california anyone making alot of money is hit with 40% federal 13% state. youre talking 53% gone in taxes. then cut your agent in.. not worth it to some players. just isnt. some it will be.

Oh, trust me, I live here and know all about California's ridiculous taxes!! Not sure I'd want to play here either if I were a professional athlete.

I just think it's laughable that some were saying Dwight would sign with a Texas team because of the lack of income tax, but then talk about how the Heat's big 3 "sacrificed" to play together!!

They didn't sacrifice, the difference between what they signed for in Miami and what they would have gotten on a max deal in another state, isn't that great either.

Besides, the idea that a player is "sacrificing" by signing for a few million less when they're making 10's of millions is pretty funny!!

 

[trojanfan12]

The difference still comes down to taking less then max contract money so that a team can use it to sign better/additional players.

I never said Howard would leave for that reason, I only said that he wouldn't lose any money by choosing a Texas team over LA when LA fans said he would be crazy to leave 30M or whatever the number being thrown around was.

However you want to twist it, the fact remains that regardless of the team, the city, the taxes, or whatever, then Heats Big 3 left salary dollars behind to help the owner build a better roster. No other max type free agents have.

Oh, I understand what they did and it's commendable. It would be nice to see other "max players" do the same (especially if they come to the Lakers). But to infer that any of the big 3 "sacrificed" to be able to play together is pretty hilarious!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Oh, I understand what they did and it's commendable. It would be nice to see other "max players" do the same (especially if they come to the Lakers). But to infer that any of the big 3 "sacrificed" to be able to play together is pretty hilarious!!

Yes or no, could the Heat have offered all 3 the max?
Answer is no. So although what they left behind wont put them in the cheese line, they still did sacrifice salary dollars.

The fact that they all agreed to sacrifice whatever the amount needed to pacify Haslem proves that winning was priority #1.

I still say if Kobe was serious about winning another ring in LA he would insist on being amnestied, collect his 30M, sit out the season to both rehab/freshen his body, allow the Lakers a chance to really rebuild the roster and then sign a 3 year or so deal with the luxury dollars they would save this year.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yes or no, could the Heat have offered all 3 the max?
Answer is no. So although what they left behind wont put them in the cheese line, they still did sacrifice salary dollars.

The fact that they all agreed to sacrifice whatever the amount needed to pacify Haslem proves that winning was priority #1.

I still say if Kobe was serious about winning another ring in LA he would insist on being amnestied, collect his 30M, sit out the season to both rehab/freshen his body, allow the Lakers a chance to really rebuild the roster and then sign a 3 year or so deal with the luxury dollars they would save this year.

Oh, I agree on all of the above except I'm not buying into the "sacrificing". Can we use a different word? After all, the few million that they each left on the table isn't exactly going to cause them to have to ask for an extension on their electric bills to keep the lights on!!

I agree about Kobe to a point!! I don't think you can say that if he was really serious about winning another ring he would insist on being amnestied. He's never been anything but serious about winning rings. Problem is, he just isn't wired that way. In his mind, he needs to come back asap and get out on the court.

Most docs, etc. are saying that he should be looking at a December/January return and he's talking about being there for training camp!! Sometimes his drive and competitive nature gets in his way!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Oh, I agree on all of the above except I'm not buying into the "sacrificing". Can we use a different word? After all, the few million that they each left on the table isn't exactly going to cause them to have to ask for an extension on their electric bills to keep the lights on!!

I agree about Kobe to a point!! I don't think you can say that if he was really serious about winning another ring he would insist on being amnestied. He's never been anything but serious about winning rings. Problem is, he just isn't wired that way. In his mind, he needs to come back asap and get out on the court.

Most docs, etc. are saying that he should be looking at a December/January return and he's talking about being there for training camp!! Sometimes his drive and competitive nature gets in his way!!

Whatever word you choose to use is fine. I think we both see it the same way, just are expressing it differently.

Also agree on the Kobe mindset. I just dont see how his mind can see the Lakers being a great team again in the near future if he doesnt give them the relief that would be so easy for him to do.
Forget what the doctors say because you just never know.
The injury is like the perfect storm for Kobe to sit out a season and let the Lakers rebuild.
I'm honestly very surprised more people arent saying it.

 

[jayviabay]

Whatever word you choose to use is fine. I think we both see it the same way, just are expressing it differently.

Also agree on the Kobe mindset. I just dont see how his mind can see the Lakers being a great team again in the near future if he doesnt give them the relief that would be so easy for him to do.
Forget what the doctors say because you just never know.
The injury is like the perfect storm for Kobe to sit out a season and let the Lakers rebuild.
I'm honestly very surprised more people arent saying it.

I believe he is worried about the time table he has left to chase that 6th ring, which he wont have a chance to get anyway with this roster/coaching staff. It would be wise to amnesty him for next year.
I always think of the franchise players in football who willingly restructure contracts to bring in more talent for the sake of winning another championship. Kobe needs to take a page out of their books...