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[Southieinnc]

Patriots hire new director of coaching analytics to assist Mike Vrabel and his staff

The Patriots have created a new position on their staff.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Southieinnc]

Mike Vrabel gives update on Patriots DC Terrell Williams' health issue

New England Patriots coach Mike Vrabel shared a positive update on defensive coordinator Terrell Williams' ongoing health issues.

patriotswire.usatoday.com

 

[Southieinnc]

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[Yankee Traveler]

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I wonder what Robert thinks when he hears things like that.
I wonder what Bill thinks.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I wonder what Robert thinks when he hears things like that.
I wonder what Bill thinks.

I think Kraft realizes he made some bad choices last year.

I don't think BB gives a rats ass he's onto Carolina

 

[cdumler7]

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It amazes me that with all the great coaching in both the NFL and college that we continue to still have people hired that have no reason to be int he league other than they are good at talking themselves into a job. Ownership can listen to a great interview and boom a guy that is incompetent to handle the job gets hired. Broncos ran into this with Hackett getting the job over established coaches. When Payton got to town he called it one of the worst coaching jobs he has seen anyone ever do when talking to players about how things ran from the year before. He got ran through the mud for making such a comment, but the longer he is in Denver and the more Hackett keeps getting fired the more it continues to be proven true.

 

[nefansince75]

It amazes me that with all the great coaching in both the NFL and college that we continue to still have people hired that have no reason to be int he league other than they are good at talking themselves into a job. Ownership can listen to a great interview and boom a guy that is incompetent to handle the job gets hired. Broncos ran into this with Hackett getting the job over established coaches. When Payton got to town he called it one of the worst coaching jobs he has seen anyone ever do when talking to players about how things ran from the year before. He got ran through the mud for making such a comment, but the longer he is in Denver and the more Hackett keeps getting fired the more it continues to be proven true.

I don't think the issue with the Hackett comment was about whether it was accurate or not, it was why did it need to be stated at all. Hackett getting fired from a volunteer peewee football staff will never make that comment look even "ok".

 

[cdumler7]

I don't think the issue with the Hackett comment was about whether it was accurate or not, it was why did it need to be stated at all. Hackett getting fired from a volunteer peewee football staff will never make that comment look even "ok".

I'm not saying the comment was ok. Heck even Sean Payton has come out saying I never should have said it. He is one of the more honest to a fault people in the NFL and doesn't always think through what his words could do to impact others later. I'm more pointing to the fact that there are too many situations in the NFL where incompetent people are being hired for a wide range of reasons and a big one being ownership many times gets swayed by a great interview rather than seeing them as a great football mind that understands the true pressure of being a Head Coach or even all other coaching positions in the NFL.

 

[Southieinnc]

I wonder what Robert thinks when he hears things like that.
I wonder what Bill thinks.

Robert likes that you like the new coach and not the one he fired.
Bill thinks he is not talking about him!

 

[nefansince75]

I'm not saying the comment was ok. Heck even Sean Payton has come out saying I never should have said it. He is one of the more honest to a fault people in the NFL and doesn't always think through what his words could do to impact others later. I'm more pointing to the fact that there are too many situations in the NFL where incompetent people are being hired for a wide range of reasons and a big one being ownership many times gets swayed by a great interview rather than seeing them as a great football mind that understands the true pressure of being a Head Coach or even all other coaching positions in the NFL.

Have your opinion but you cannot substantiate why a hire was made. I think Kraft hired Mayo based on seeing what he perceived as "people skills" and a solid track record of stellar execution. But executing within a positional coache's box is different than full executive functioning (IMO) and Mayo failed.

I bet each owner would point to something like that rather than "I got snookered in the interview". I'd also bet most times that would be valid. These billionaires aren't idiots (at least most of them).

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Robert likes that you like the new coach and not the one he fired.

I think Robert feels foolish for installing Mayo too soon.

Bill thinks he is not talking about him!

I think Bill feels partially vindicated.

 

[Southieinnc]

I'm not saying the comment was ok. Heck even Sean Payton has come out saying I never should have said it. He is one of the more honest to a fault people in the NFL and doesn't always think through what his words could do to impact others later. I'm more pointing to the fact that there are too many situations in the NFL where incompetent people are being hired for a wide range of reasons and a big one being ownership many times gets swayed by a great interview rather than seeing them as a great football mind that understands the true pressure of being a Head Coach or even all other coaching positions in the NFL.

Broncos are owned by a politician, a race car driver, a starbucks girl, and a couple of Walmart personalities.
I would not expect these brand new owners with no football experience to know a "great football mind"

 

[cdumler7]

Have your opinion but you cannot substantiate why a hire was made. I think Kraft hired Mayo based on seeing what he perceived as "people skills" and a solid track record of stellar execution. But executing within a positional coache's box is different than full executive functioning (IMO) and Mayo failed.

I bet each owner would point to something like that rather than "I got snookered in the interview". I'd also bet most times that would be valid. These billionaires aren't idiots (at least most of them).

Well then you might be surprised how many hires in the NFL are based on connections rather than talent. Nepotism runs heavy in NFL circles. I've talked to agents, coaches, players, scouts, etc. and they are all fed up with how often people are hired with zero input from the people that should matter in the decision making because an owner owes a favor to someone. Or how ownership steps in at some point in the process and goes completely against the words of those who have been in the process from the beginning.

Almost every year there is someone hired that shocks everyone and it is usually because ownership sat in on one round of meetings and liked that one person more than the others and tells the GM/President whatever you want to call them that they are going to hire who the owner likes.

The stories I could tell you of someone of the stupidest mess ups that led to huge mistakes. Most of mine are tied to the Broncos because those are the people I'm most connected to, but for example a player got drafted one time because an intern had messed up the order of the board and taken a few names off that they really liked thinking he had heard the players' names as drafted. Broncos ended up taking a player almost 2 rounds early because no one was paying attention to the board and well that player busted of course. Intern was fired on the spot in the war room. That person was one of those nepotism hires that was told to be put in the room because they had some connection to someone higher up.

 

[cdumler7]

Broncos are owned by a politician, a race car driver, a starbucks girl, and a couple of Walmart personalities.
I would not expect these brand new owners with no football experience to know a "great football mind"

It is true. They do not. After the Hackett debacle though they leaned into experience at the coaching position and pretty much told Payton he would have a blank check to make sure he came to Denver and full control over his coaching staff. The Broncos for a while kept trying to catch lightning in a bottle by hiring guys that were going to be 1st time coaches. Rarely does that work out. For every McVay there is 10 others that fall flat on their face.

They thankfully were humble enough to understand they didn't know everything. They leaned into our GM and a few football people they were connected to and asked them to help in the process. Also the politician was almost the Browns head coach at one point so they are not completely incompetent, but smart enough to know where their weak spots are at.

 

[Southieinnc]

It is true. They do not. After the Hackett debacle though they leaned into experience at the coaching position and pretty much told Payton he would have a blank check to make sure he came to Denver and full control over his coaching staff. The Broncos for a while kept trying to catch lightning in a bottle by hiring guys that were going to be 1st time coaches. Rarely does that work out. For every McVay there is 10 others that fall flat on their face.

They thankfully were humble enough to understand they didn't know anything. They leaned into our GM and a few football people they were connected to and asked them to help in the process. Also the politician was almost the Browns head coach at one point so they are not completely incompetent, but smart enough to know where their weak spots are at.

Although I love Condoleeza Rice, I don't give high grades for almost being Browns head coach.
She definitely gets points for saying NO!

 

[Southieinnc]

Mike Vrabel just broke a Jerod Mayo pattern that frustrated Patriots fans

One of the best things about Bill Belichick as a coach was sorely missed by Patriots fans during the Jerod Mayo era in New England last year.

musketfire.com

 

[cdumler7]

Although I love Condoleeza Rice, I don't give high grades for almost being Browns head coach.
She definitely gets points for saying NO!

Haha well she is the one person in ownership that has been around football her whole life. She was a member of the the college football playoff selection committee when that first started and her dad was a head football coach.

Not saying all of that qualifies her, but she at least has a basic understanding of the game.

 

[nefansince75]

Well then you might be surprised how many hires in the NFL are based on connections rather than talent. Nepotism runs heavy in NFL circles. I've talked to agents, coaches, players, scouts, etc. and they are all fed up with how often people are hired with zero input from the people that should matter in the decision making because an owner owes a favor to someone. Or how ownership steps in at some point in the process and goes completely against the words of those who have been in the process from the beginning.

Almost every year there is someone hired that shocks everyone and it is usually because ownership sat in on one round of meetings and liked that one person more than the others and tells the GM/President whatever you want to call them that they are going to hire who the owner likes.

The stories I could tell you of someone of the stupidest mess ups that led to huge mistakes. Most of mine are tied to the Broncos because those are the people I'm most connected to, but for example a player got drafted one time because an intern had messed up the order of the board and taken a few names off that they really liked thinking he had heard the players' names as drafted. Broncos ended up taking a player almost 2 rounds early because no one was paying attention to the board and well that player busted of course. Intern was fired on the spot in the war room. That person was one of those nepotism hires that was told to be put in the room because they had some connection to someone higher up.

Why would that surprise me when it validates what I posted. You wrote they were hired based on a good interview. I wrote it was probably due to others reasons. Nepotism falls in the other reasons box.

Look, I know you are well researched and even trust you have some connections within some "in the know circles". That doesn't mean you are immune from shooting from the hip. I just read and respond one post at a time.

 

[cdumler7]

Why would that surprise me when it validates what I posted. You wrote they were hired based on a good interview. I wrote it was probably due to others reasons. Nepotism falls in the other reasons box.

Look, I know you are well researched and even trust you have some connections within some "in the know circles". That doesn't mean you are immune from shooting from the hip. I just read and respond one post at a time.

This is where understanding nuance is important. Yes there are many reasons someone gets hired. My point was that there are way too many people in the league that have been hired for all the wrong reasons and now find themselves in positions they never should have been and destroying good franchises because of it. Hackett in Denver it was because he had a great interview. He was not the front runner heading into the interview process. He had a great interview. If you listen to him speak is a very personable guy, very funny, very energetic, and there are a lot of players that have talked highly of him because he is a likable guy. Without that great interview though he would not have gotten the job. There were way more qualified people but ownership felt like his interview showed he could be the next great young coordinator turned HC.

 

[BigKen]

My point was that there are way too many people in the league that have been hired for all the wrong reasons and now find themselves in positions they never should have been and destroying good franchises because of it.

You know CD, that there are owners who don't learn from their mistakes and they hire bad coaches, fire others, mid-season because the 'team' is bad and 60% of the team was brought in by previous coaches and the owner. When you brought this up, my mind went immediately to Woody Johnson (NYJ).