The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[trojanfan12]

Those Spurs were beat in a gentleman sweep by the Lakers a year later in a series where nobody outside Kobe played particularly well.

That team wasn't some super juggernaut. LeBron just sucked. You're just making excuses.

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Thank you for showing that you're someone to not be taken seriously.

Lebron was 22 years old and took a team to the finals with Zydruna Ilgauskas as his "Robin".

Zydrunas Fucking Ilgauskas.

When MJ has rosters like that, he was missing the playoffs or losing in the first round.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Thank you for showing that you're someone to not be taken seriously.

Lebron was 22 years old and took a team to the finals with Zydruna Ilgauskas as his "Robin".

Zydrunas Fucking Ilgauskas.

When MJ has rosters like that, he was missing the playoffs or losing in the first round.

MJ homers ramp their bullshit to absurd levels.

MJ can be GOAT, IDGAF but when those homers question Lebrons heart and that kind of shit it irks the fuck out of me given MJ straight quit because Pippen was leaving.

The man fucking quit.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Thank you for showing that you're someone to not be taken seriously.

Lebron was 22 years old and took a team to the finals with Zydruna Ilgauskas as his "Robin".

Zydrunas Fucking Ilgauskas.

When MJ has rosters like that, he was missing the playoffs or losing in the first round.

Two 41-win teams and an aging Detroit squad whose record would have only put them in the No. 4 seed in the West.

Gasol and Odom were only marginally better against the Spurs in the '08 WCF than Ilgauskas and Gooden were in the '07 Finals.

The '89 Bulls outside Jordan were a worse roster than the '07 Cavs; Pippen had fewer win shares that season than Gooden, Ilgauskas and Varejao had in '07. They made it to the ECF. They only didn't advance further because the absolute best team in the league was in their own Conference rather than the opposite Conference. Another difference is they beat two 50+ win teams to get there instead of two .500 teams, one of whom was missing two of its top three scorers.

Enough with the excuses.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Two 41-win teams and an aging Detroit squad whose record would have only put them in the No. 4 seed in the West.

Gasol and Odom were only marginally better against the Spurs in the '08 WCF than Ilgauskas and Gooden were in the '07 Finals.

The '89 Bulls outside Jordan were a worse roster than the '07 Cavs; Pippen had fewer win shares that season than Gooden, Ilgauskas and Varejao had in '07. They made it to the ECF. They only didn't advance further because the absolute best team in the league was in their own Conference rather than the opposite Conference. Another difference is they beat two 50+ win teams to get there instead of two .500 teams, one of whom was missing two of its top three scorers.

Enough with the excuses.

Aging Detroit team? Fuck you talking about

Then the 98 Jazz were old as balls. Malone, Hornacek and Stockton were all over 34

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Aging Detroit team? Fuck you talking about

Then the 98 Jazz were old as balls. Malone, Hornacek and Stockton were all over 34

The Bulls were even older, doofus. The Dallas team LeBron lost to with a superteam was older than Utah was.

 

[trojanfan12]

Two 41-win teams and an aging Detroit squad whose record would have only put them in the No. 4 seed in the West.

Gasol and Odom were only marginally better against the Spurs in the '08 WCF than Ilgauskas and Gooden were in the '07 Finals.

The '89 Bulls outside Jordan were a worse roster than the '07 Cavs; Pippen had fewer win shares that season than Gooden, Ilgauskas and Varejao had in '07. They made it to the ECF. They only didn't advance further because the absolute best team in the league was in their own Conference rather than the opposite Conference. Another difference is they beat two 50+ win teams to get there instead of two .500 teams, one of whom was missing two of its top three scorers.

Enough with the excuses.

lol

As I said, you're not to be taken seriously. Don't waste anymore of my time.

You're so fucking desperate you're trying to claim that a roster with Pippen, Horace Grant, John Paxson and Bill Cartwright was worse than what Lebron had in 2007.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

lol

As I said, you're not to be taken seriously. Don't waste anymore of my time.

You're so fucking desperate you're trying to claim that a roster with Pippen, Horace Grant, John Paxson and Bill Cartwright was worse than what Lebron had in 2007.

You're confusing '89 Pippen and Grant with '92 Pippen and Grant. Huge difference.

Cartwright's best days were behind him. Paxson was just a jumpshooter.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The Bulls were even older, doofus. The Dallas team LeBron lost to with a superteam was older than Utah was.

So again

Aging detroit team?

Explain

You're talking in circles

 

[trojanfan12]

You're confusing '89 Pippen and Grant with '92 Pippen and Grant. Huge difference.

Cartwright's best days were behind him. Paxson was just a jumpshooter.

lol

I see you're desperation has reached the "just making shit up and saying werdz" stage.

Cartwright was 31 and played in 78 games averaging 30 minutes per game.

And confusing '89 Pippen and Grant with '92...now who's making excuses?

Didn't I tell you to stop wasting my time?

 

[trojanfan12]

MJ homers ramp their bullshit to absurd levels.

MJ can be GOAT, IDGAF but when those homers question Lebrons heart and that kind of shit it irks the fuck out of me given MJ straight quit because Pippen was leaving.

The man fucking quit.

It is fun watching him kick his own ass. lol

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

lol

I see you're desperation has reached the "just making shit up and saying werdz" stage.

Cartwright was 31 and played in 78 games averaging 30 minutes per game.

Didn't I tell you to stop wasting my time?

Top 5 win shares '89 Bulls
1. Jordan, 19.8
2. Grant, 6.4
3. Pippen, 4.0
4. Paxson, 3.3
5. Hodges, 2.8

Top 5 win shares '07 Cavs
1. LeBron, 13.7
2. Varejao, 6.6
3. Ilgauskas, 6.6
4. Gooden, 6.5
5. Hughes, 3.9

The '89 Bulls were an objectively worse roster. Deal with it.

 

[tlance]

Top 5 win shares '89 Bulls
1. Jordan, 19.8
2. Grant, 6.4
3. Pippen, 4.0
4. Paxson, 3.3
5. Hodges, 2.8

Top 5 win shares '07 Cavs
1. LeBron, 13.7
2. Varejao, 6.6
3. Ilgauskas, 6.6
4. Gooden, 6.5
5. Hughes, 3.9

The '89 Bulls were an objectively worse roster. Deal with it.

Doesn’t work like that.

You can’t pick 1 advanced stat that backs you up and act like it tells the entire story.

It doesn’t.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

It is fun watching him kick his own ass. lol

Funny, because I've brought up plenty of factual arguments on this thread that none of you have been able to refute.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Top 5 win shares '89 Bulls
1. Jordan, 19.8
2. Grant, 6.4
3. Pippen, 4.0
4. Paxson, 3.3
5. Hodges, 2.8

Top 5 win shares '07 Cavs
1. LeBron, 13.7
2. Varejao, 6.6
3. Ilgauskas, 6.6
4. Gooden, 6.5
5. Hughes, 3.9

The '89 Bulls were an objectively worse roster. Deal with it.

You have officially jumped the shark

 

[trojanfan12]

Funny, because I've brought up plenty of factual arguments on this thread that none of you have been able to refute.

lol @you thinking your opinions are facts.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

You have officially jumped the shark

Yes, objective facts are "jumping the shark." You Bron Stans are hilarious.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

lol @you thinking your opinions are facts.

I have data backing up my claims. You haven't refuted anything.

 

[trojanfan12]

I have data backing up my claims. You haven't refuted anything.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

These are tactics of people who have no argument. You are thus conceding defeat.

 

[trojanfan12]

These are tactics of people who have no argument. You are thus conceding defeat.

lol

I'm giving your waste of time posts exactly the reaction they deserve.