2025 Cowboy Draft

[jarntt]

Sounds good on its face, though I think we only get so much draft capital back for day 3 picks. Packaging two 5ths and a 6th might get you back into the top half of round 4. Or maybe adding two 5ths to your 3rd could move you to the top of the 3rd

Right. That's why I disagree with him and said you need to add a pick from next year or a player. I mean if that was us and someone offered us a couple of 5ths and a couple of 7ths for our 3rd (or even a later 3rd if we had one) I'd go nuts if we accepted it. I'm not giving up a prime pick for a handful of much lesser picks

 

[UK Cowboy]

Right. That's why I disagree with him and said you need to add a pick from next year or a player. I mean if that was us and someone offered us a couple of 5ths and a couple of 7ths for our 3rd (or even a later 3rd if we had one) I'd go nuts if we accepted it. I'm not giving up a prime pick for a handful of much lesser picks

I agree. I think if they want to get a maximum return for 5ths and 6ths they could use them as they did when they acquired Gilmore and Cooks for day three picks. Which all reiterates what a terrible return they got for their 4th this year.

 

[jarntt]

onward...

My dad likes that skatterbo kid. Not for #1 but

 

[UK Cowboy]

My comparison for Skattebo would be Hunter Luepke lol

 

[Godstree]

He's hard to bring down.

 

[tomodach10]

Raiders GM Spytek strong believer in drafting RB

Raiders general manager John Spytek said he is a strong believer in taking running backs high in the draft, but added that he is "open-minded" to taking a quarterback.

www.espn.com

Well one team gets it. No Jeanty for us.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Raiders GM Spytek strong believer in drafting RB

Raiders general manager John Spytek said he is a strong believer in taking running backs high in the draft, but added that he is "open-minded" to taking a quarterback.

www.espn.com

Well one team gets it. No Jeanty for us.

No. I think it's possible the top 4 are gone by 44. People are seeing(again) the importance of a run game

 

[tomodach10]

No. I think it's possible the top 4 are gone by 44. People are seeing(again) the importance of a run game

Yea, we may have to get Hampton at 12.

 

[Manster7588]

I'd be happy with Hampton but at 12 I think that's a reach and not BPA

 

[UK Cowboy]

I'd be happy with Hampton but at 12 I think that's a reach and not BPA

I agree. But the team is going to pick for need, and i think RB1 is a pretty big one. I figure if they don't get a receiver in the draft, they could still sign a guy like Keenan Allen the day after the draft and have a huge upgrade by just writing a check

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I'd be happy with Hampton but at 12 I think that's a reach and not BPA

here is the danger of saying BPA always.
If you have a guy you need.
He turns into an 8 year all pro
Then who really cares if he was a reach according to draft experts.

Lets say for an example (non cowboy team) The Giants really like Dart, but if they take him at #3 everyone will scream how desperate they were & it was a "reach" Now if Dart turns into the best QB in this draft. Will anyone care later?

Didnt the Chiefs when they traded up to get mahomes. Wasnt that considered to much & a reach?

If we decided Hampton is the man & plays like an all star for us for years to come. Then it was a well used 1st round.

BPA honestly is just a rule of thumb (that can vary greatly) & also a great way of blaming teams for picks that didnt work out.

 

[tomodach10]

here is the danger of saying BPA always.
If you have a guy you need.
He turns into an 8 year all pro
Then who really cares if he was a reach according to draft experts.

Lets say for an example (non cowboy team) The Giants really like Dart, but if they take him at #3 everyone will scream how desperate they were & it was a "reach" Now if Dart turns into the best QB in this draft. Will anyone care later?

Didnt the Chiefs when they traded up to get mahomes. Wasnt that considered to much & a reach?

If we decided Hampton is the man & plays like an all star for us for years to come. Then it was a well used 1st round.

BPA honestly is just a rule of thumb (that can vary greatly) & also a great way of blaming teams for picks that didnt work out.

You make great points.

 

[jarntt]

here is the danger of saying BPA always.
If you have a guy you need.
He turns into an 8 year all pro
Then who really cares if he was a reach according to draft experts.
Lets say for an example (non cowboy team) The Giants really like Dart, but if they take him at #3 everyone will scream how desperate they were & it was a "reach" Now if Dart turns into the best QB in this draft. Will anyone care later?

Didnt the Chiefs when they traded up to get mahomes. Wasnt that considered to much & a reach?

If we decided Hampton is the man & plays like an all star for us for years to come. Then it was a well used 1st round.

BPA honestly is just a rule of thumb (that can vary greatly) & also a great way of blaming teams for picks that didnt work out.

You kind of go back and forth so I'm not sure I'm following totally. The problem with what you are saying in one part of your comment is you are attributing other people's opinions and ranking to calling it a reach. In your own example you say:

"The Giants really like Dart" and bring up the Chiefs trading up for Mahomes who they absolutely and correctly loved.

The whole idea of BPA is based on nothing but your own board, not mock drafts or public opinion. You take the guys you think are the best. You don't give a crap what others think. That's why you have scouts who spend all year watching these guys and building a draft board. So, your bolded point on Hampton is exactly what I think. You like him, you take him. No questions asked. Sometimes you swing and miss, but yes, if we decide Hampton is the man like you say, whether he plays well or not he should be the pick. Him being great or stinking will decide how you are graded on the pick after the fact, but you 100% take the guy you like and screw what mock drafts and other teams like (it cracks me up when people even grade what NFL teams do based on mocks and it's what 3/4s of fans seem to do - not saying you meant that). if you don't trust your scouts, you need to get new scouts.

If you prioritize your draft for need you get Taco and Trysten Hill and Mazi and Guyton (the book is of course still out on those two so we'll see). You are 10 times more likely to bust when you go strictly for need because you narrow down your pool of choices. That absolutely doesn't mean you ignore need of course. It's a weighted average. If two guys are close you take the need every single time. If they are somewhat close you still probably go with the need but it depends how close. If you have one first round grade left and decide to take the need instead, you should be fired. If your needs are that big it just means you screwed up in free agency because that is where you fill your needs because you have your pick of every player and position year after year.

 

[UK Cowboy]

here is the danger of saying BPA always.
If you have a guy you need.
He turns into an 8 year all pro
Then who really cares if he was a reach according to draft experts.

Lets say for an example (non cowboy team) The Giants really like Dart, but if they take him at #3 everyone will scream how desperate they were & it was a "reach" Now if Dart turns into the best QB in this draft. Will anyone care later?

Didnt the Chiefs when they traded up to get mahomes. Wasnt that considered to much & a reach?

If we decided Hampton is the man & plays like an all star for us for years to come. Then it was a well used 1st round.

BPA honestly is just a rule of thumb (that can vary greatly) & also a great way of blaming teams for picks that didnt work out.

I think that really depends on the round. Round one, if a player is a better player but they are close, you have to go need. But I think if you have one guy you project as a HOFer and another you feel like will be a 10 year starter but not special, Im taking HOF guy no matter where he plays. I think past round one or two, need comes much more into play because the players all have one flaw or another. JMO

 

[Schmoopy1000]

You kind of go back and forth so I'm not sure I'm following totally. The problem with what you are saying in one part of your comment is you are attributing other people's opinions and ranking to calling it a reach. In your own example you say:

"The Giants really like Dart" and bring up the Chiefs trading up for Mahomes who they absolutely and correctly loved.

The whole idea of BPA is based on nothing but your own board, not mock drafts or public opinion. You take the guys you think are the best. You don't give a crap what others think. That's why you have scouts who spend all year watching these guys and building a draft board. So, your bolded point on Hampton is exactly what I think. You like him, you take him. No questions asked. Sometimes you swing and miss, but yes, if we decide Hampton is the man like you say, whether he plays well or not he should be the pick. Him being great or stinking will decide how you are graded on the pick after the fact, but you 100% take the guy you like and screw what mock drafts and other teams like (it cracks me up when people even grade what NFL teams do based on mocks and it's what 3/4s of fans seem to do - not saying you meant that). if you don't trust your scouts, you need to get new scouts.

If you prioritize your draft for need you get Taco and Trysten Hill and Mazi and Guyton (the book is of course still out on those two so we'll see). You are 10 times more likely to bust when you go strictly for need because you narrow down your pool of choices. That absolutely doesn't mean you ignore need of course. It's a weighted average. If two guys are close you take the need every single time. If they are somewhat close you still probably go with the need but it depends how close. If you have one first round grade left and decide to take the need instead, you should be fired. If your needs are that big it just means you screwed up in free agency because that is where you fill your needs because you have your pick of every player and position year after year.

I really do think we are on the same page.
The comment was they want Hampton but not at 12.
My point is using Giants & Mahomes as the example.
If that is who we want. Take him! BTW I am not saying. that is who we want.

As far as Taco & Hill. (more so Taco) We settled for what was left at a position for need. Also he wasnt the type of DT we needed. Cowboys are notorious for trying to put a square peg in a round hole. So they could look smart if it worked. Hill might be more of the same, but I think we also just misjudged him as well. "missed" if you will.

 

[jarntt]

I really do think we are on the same page.
The comment was they want Hampton but not at 12.
My point is using Giants & Mahomes as the example.
If that is who we want. Take him! BTW I am not saying. that is who we want.

As far as Taco & Hill. (more so Taco) We settled for what was left at a position for need. Also he wasnt the type of DT we needed. Cowboys are notorious for trying to put a square peg in a round hole. So they could look smart if it worked. Hill might be more of the same, but I think we also just misjudged him as well. "missed" if you will.

Got it now

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I think that really depends on the round. Round one, if a player is a better player but they are close, you have to go need. But I think if you have one guy you project as a HOFer and another you feel like will be a 10 year starter but not special, Im taking HOF guy no matter where he plays. I think past round one or two, need comes much more into play because the players all have one flaw or another. JMO

I think most of us think BPA is the sound way to think.
I also think most of us think if BPA's is close between 2 players lean towards the one of need. (to a point)
but my point is. If you have a player targeted that you want in that round. Dont get cute & dont worry about which Number pick you are from where you think he should go. Just go take him! if you took a guy 12 or 18 he is the same guy. you either hit or missed on him regardless. I think people overthink in the moment when in fact they having been thinking about this for months!

 

[UK Cowboy]

I really do think we are on the same page.
The comment was they want Hampton but not at 12.
My point is using Giants & Mahomes as the example.
If that is who we want. Take him! BTW I am not saying. that is who we want.

As far as Taco & Hill. (more so Taco) We settled for what was left at a position for need. Also he wasnt the type of DT we needed. Cowboys are notorious for trying to put a square peg in a round hole. So they could look smart if it worked. Hill might be more of the same, but I think we also just misjudged him as well. "missed" if you will.

If Hampton is their 20th best player and their goal is to get a bell cow back, they should take Hampton at 12 because he won't be there at 44, no way. I doubt Henderson or Johnson are either

 

[UK Cowboy]

I think most of us think BPA is the sound way to think.
I also think most of us think if BPA's is close between 2 players lean towards the one of need. (to a point)
but my point is. If you have a player targeted that you want in that round. Dont get cute & dont worry about which Number pick you are from where you think he should go. Just go take him! if you took a guy 12 or 18 he is the same guy. you either hit or missed on him regardless. I think people overthink in the moment when in fact they having been thinking about this for months!

100% agree with that. And I will say, the way the Cowboys approach FA, I would absolutely be good with taking Hampton at 12, because they took backup runners in FA. We need a guy, not a "pretty good" prospect in the 3rd or 5th.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

If Hampton is their 20th best player and their goal is to get a bell cow back, they should take Hampton at 12 because he won't be there at 44, no way. I doubt Henderson or Johnson are either

I know I wont complain if we get a 3 down back.
they are gold, no matter how they get treated.
Not only do they help the running game, they helping the passing game & they help the OC, but as a bonus they also help the defense As Zeke proved when we had a struggling defense.