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I'm not sure he was worth more than what they got though. He played in 1 game and yes he did decent against some backups with a coaching staff that didn't care if they won or lost. Honestly I would bet the Bills hoped they lost because it hurt the Patriots while not hurting their playoff position. There is a reason he went in the 6th last year and reason why the Patriots at best got 6th round value back for him. He is viewed as an ok backup option with very little starter chance in the future.
I got to see him in college. He was underrated in the draft. When most people agree with each other they are often all wrong. Patriots had pledged to trade him to a team where he had a chance to play. I think that was more causative than his perceived value.
 

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He wasn't worth a 1st or 2nd without more proof of his ability, but he was worth more than what they got.

Maybe he was told to not win and didn't abide?

Obviously he was not worth more than they got. I’m sure every team in the league was aware that Milton was available. A low 5th rounder was the best we could get. Plain and simple. If we could have got more we would have have. He played 6 years of college ball. Good player. Not great. He almost didn’t get drafted. That’s how mediocre he is. If any team in the league felt he was worth more than a 5th round pick they would jump all over it. QB is the most valuable position in the NFL and no one wanted Milton. He is what he is. A 6th round pick that is a backup at best.
 

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Obviously he was not worth more than they got. I’m sure every team in the league was aware that Milton was available. A low 5th rounder was the best we could get. Plain and simple. If we could have got more we would have have. He played 6 years of college ball. Good player. Not great. He almost didn’t get drafted. That’s how mediocre he is. If any team in the league felt he was worth more than a 5th round pick they would jump all over it. QB is the most valuable position in the NFL and no one wanted Milton. He is what he is. A 6th round pick that is a backup at best.
I recall a guy a few years back who almost didn't get drafted. Didn't have near the athleticism that Milton has. Got selected in the 6th round. Couldn't keep a starting job in college over a couple of guys who were busts in the NFL. If memory serves me correctly when that guy got his chance he was pretty ok.
 

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I recall a guy a few years back who almost didn't get drafted. Didn't have near the athleticism that Milton has. Got selected in the 6th round. Couldn't keep a starting job in college over a couple of guys who were busts in the NFL. If memory serves me correctly when that guy got his chance he was pretty ok.
Sure, I needed power for my DeLorean and set out to catch a lightning bolt. I actually caught one, then set out to catch another, but never could do it again.

Do something once and more than likely you got lucky.
 

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Sure, I needed power for my DeLorean and set out to catch a lightning bolt. I actually caught one, then set out to catch another, but never could do it again.

Do something once and more than likely you got lucky.
That wasn't the actual point. The point was being made to all the people saying he went in the 6th for a reason. Some players take longer to develop. Others never do. Some don't get drafted and end up winning a SB. This trade, at this time doesn't pass the sniff test. Will he become a legit starter? Only time will tell. But he has a chance. We know Dobbs likely won't.
 

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That wasn't the actual point. The point was being made to all the people saying he went in the 6th for a reason. Some players take longer to develop. Others never do. Some don't get drafted and end up winning a SB. This trade, at this time doesn't pass the sniff test. Will he become a legit starter? Only time will tell. But he has a chance. We know Dobbs likely won't.

I think bigger thing here is when the team trading him is willing to give him up for almost nothing. They had an entire year with him in the building and realized this is the best offer they can get.

And I don’t buy this whole they are doing what is best for the player and took less idea. Teams are not in the business especially for a 6th round pick to take less to help a guy out. Pats have been known for being ruthless when a trade opportunity pops up.
 

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That wasn't the actual point. The point was being made to all the people saying he went in the 6th for a reason. Some players take longer to develop. Others never do. Some don't get drafted and end up winning a SB. This trade, at this time doesn't pass the sniff test. Will he become a legit starter? Only time will tell. But he has a chance. We know Dobbs likely won't.
We can't sniff anything. If he becomes a star we got screwed, if he sucks we got fine value. Time will provide the answer.
 

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I recall a guy a few years back who almost didn't get drafted. Didn't have near the athleticism that Milton has. Got selected in the 6th round. Couldn't keep a starting job in college over a couple of guys who were busts in the NFL. If memory serves me correctly when that guy got his chance he was pretty ok.

So… a few guys selected in the 6th round made it. Great. What about the other 600 or so in the last 20 years? Do we just keep everyone we draft just in case the starter gets hurt and there’s that .01% chance they do great?

Love how people throw the “Brady was a 6th round pick” like it can happen all the time
 

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I think bigger thing here is when the team trading him is willing to give him up for almost nothing. They had an entire year with him in the building and realized this is the best offer they can get.

And I don’t buy this whole they are doing what is best for the player and took less idea. Teams are not in the business especially for a 6th round pick to take less to help a guy out. Pats have been known for being ruthless when a trade opportunity pops up.
This is an entirely new coaching staff? Maybe McDaniels felt that Milton wasn't a fit?
 

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We can't sniff anything. If he becomes a star we got screwed, if he sucks we got fine value. Time will provide the answer.
There are more than a few. But ok. You want to stick to your guns regardless of the point being he was drafted late, almost not drafted. No one is saying he'd be the next SB MVP QB. Just saying he is a serviceable back up with potential.

Anyway, he already proved he can play at the NFL level, albeit a very small sampling. NE will keep 3 QBs. He was on a rookie contract so cheap. Now they can use another late draft pick on an unknown? While losing a player and a 7th. No way to sugar coat this. It was a bad deal for NE.

If he was becoming a problem, or there is something else in the works, I can buy that.
 

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There are more than a few. But ok. You want to stick to your guns regardless of the point being he was drafted late, almost not drafted. No one is saying he'd be the next SB MVP QB. Just saying he is a serviceable back up with potential.

Anyway, he already proved he can play at the NFL level, albeit a very small sampling. NE will keep 3 QBs. He was on a rookie contract so cheap. Now they can use another late draft pick on an unknown? While losing a player and a 7th. No way to sugar coat this. It was a bad deal for NE.

If he was becoming a problem, or there is something else in the works, I can buy that.
Believe it or not, I don't like the trade. I thought he was worth more and at that trade price, should have been kept. However, I'm not at practices or in the locker room. I just don't think those at the practices and in the locker would leave a lot of value on the table, at least without a good reason. I also don't believe I'm entitled to have that reason given to me.
 

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Maybe one reason was that Vrabel didn’t want the distraction of people yelling to put Milton in the first time Maye stinks it up. He knows Maye is and will always be the man. Just like with Zappe when Jones failed. Plus Vrabel knows that Milton just isn’t very good.
 

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Believe it or not, I don't like the trade. I thought he was worth more and at that trade price, should have been kept. However, I'm not at practices or in the locker room. I just don't think those at the practices and in the locker would leave a lot of value on the table, at least without a good reason. I also don't believe I'm entitled to have that reason given to me.
I don't like it either we drafted him in the 6th and gave him and a 7th up for a 5th. And guess what now we need to draft a QB, b/c teams need to carry three now a day. We lost out on this trade IMO
 

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We will never know the real reasons behind this trade.

Listening to several people complain and others trying to reason, no one has the answer, other than theirs.

Milton is older than most second year players. He will be 26. Maye was younger than most players, he's 22.

Imagine them in the weight room, working out beside each other, just competing, as men naturally do. Who would be stronger possibly much better developed, be able to outperform the other?

Consider the media and the fans dividing on who should be the starter.

Tom Bradys are as rare as elephant fangs. He used competition to improve and take his abilities to another level. 99.9% of men cannot do that. They tend to get angry and pout. We have no idea if Drake Maye can do that and neither do the coaches. Hence they removed a potential locker room division before it even became a problem.

Did the Patriots get value? Will Milton start for the Cowboys in 2025? Will the Patriots make the playoffs? No one has the answers. The first may come on Day 3 of the 2025 NFL Draft.
 

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We will never know the real reasons behind this trade.

Listening to several people complain and others trying to reason, no one has the answer, other than theirs.

Milton is older than most second year players. He will be 26. Maye was younger than most players, he's 22.

Imagine them in the weight room, working out beside each other, just competing, as men naturally do. Who would be stronger possibly much better developed, be able to outperform the other?

Consider the media and the fans dividing on who should be the starter.

Tom Bradys are as rare as elephant fangs. He used competition to improve and take his abilities to another level. 99.9% of men cannot do that. They tend to get angry and pout. We have no idea if Drake Maye can do that and neither do the coaches. Hence they removed a potential locker room division before it even became a problem.

Did the Patriots get value? Will Milton start for the Cowboys in 2025? Will the Patriots make the playoffs? No one has the answers. The first may come on Day 3 of the 2025 NFL Draft.
As good a speculation as any of us have.
 

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Maybe one reason was that Vrabel didn’t want the distraction of people yelling to put Milton in the first time Maye stinks it up. He knows Maye is and will always be the man. Just like with Zappe when Jones failed. Plus Vrabel knows that Milton just isn’t very good.
Yeah, that's what I was eluding to with my "good reason" comment. There are many mays to get addition by subtraction without most of us seeing the exact formula.
 

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We will never know the real reasons behind this trade.

Listening to several people complain and others trying to reason, no one has the answer, other than theirs.

Milton is older than most second year players. He will be 26. Maye was younger than most players, he's 22.

Imagine them in the weight room, working out beside each other, just competing, as men naturally do. Who would be stronger possibly much better developed, be able to outperform the other?

Consider the media and the fans dividing on who should be the starter.

Tom Bradys are as rare as elephant fangs. He used competition to improve and take his abilities to another level. 99.9% of men cannot do that. They tend to get angry and pout. We have no idea if Drake Maye can do that and neither do the coaches. Hence they removed a potential locker room division before it even became a problem.

Did the Patriots get value? Will Milton start for the Cowboys in 2025? Will the Patriots make the playoffs? No one has the answers. The first may come on Day 3 of the 2025 NFL Draft.
Brady did that without harm because he was under the radar and Bledsoe embraced it. Now don't go praising Bledsoe, he was arrogant, and had the luxury of pretending to be supportive since his arrogance kept him from feeling the pressure.
 

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So… a few guys selected in the 6th round made it. Great. What about the other 600 or so in the last 20 years? Do we just keep everyone we draft just in case the starter gets hurt and there’s that .01% chance they do great?

Love how people throw the “Brady was a 6th round pick” like it can happen all the time
Who's this Brady guy? I thought he was referring to Brock Purdy...No?
 

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So… a few guys selected in the 6th round made it. Great. What about the other 600 or so in the last 20 years? Do we just keep everyone we draft just in case the starter gets hurt and there’s that .01% chance they do great?

Love how people throw the “Brady was a 6th round pick” like it can happen all the time

Who's this Brady guy? I thought he was referring to Brock Purdy...No?
@Yankee Traveler you showed him. It's only 599 other guys who were mediocre.
 
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