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Do we want to stop the run, or not?
I hope this team has seen enough of Osa to know he isn’t a $20M player. Let someone else pay that if that’s what he gets. He is below average for a starting 3 tech against the run and a little above average against the pass. $15M range? Sure I’m in. For $20M I want a guy who is good on early downs, not just “ok”. If Osa is back he should be in more of a rotation in a much deeper DT room than we currently have. Add two DTs via the draft or free agency who are actually good and play Osa with them and we are talking. Mazi should be the #4 DT on the depth chart At best.
 

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Do we want to stop the run, or not?
I hope this team has seen enough of Osa to know he isn’t a $20M player. Let someone else pay that if that’s what he gets. He is below average for a starting 3 tech against the run and a little above average against the pass. $15M range? Sure I’m in. For $20M I want a guy who is good on early downs, not just “ok”. If Osa is back he should be in more of a rotation in a much deeper DT room than we currently have. Add two DTs via the draft or free agency who are actually good and play Osa with them and we are talking. Mazi should be the #4 DT on the depth chart At best.
Think about what you're saying though...Mazi should be #4 DT...Mazi isn't going to be #4. He will start. He is the only DT on the roster..I have no problem with not paying Osa $21M per(that's Jerry and Stephen's fault for waiting), but it really boxes us in to drafting for need and reaching for DT's. Eberflus needs a pass rush from 3T(Warren Sapp is the prototype in his scheme), and Osa is the best pass rusher on the market. The draft is deep at DT, but more the monstrous 1T type. They would be reaching at 12, but that's exactly how we ended up with Mazi. You aren't wrong in anything you said, but the front office has done a pathetic job at roster building
 

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I've read recently moving cap hit from current year to future years makes sense if the player is likely to see those years. 20M takes up a higher percentage of cap space in 2025 than it would in future years with higher caps.

with this said. An article says we could add 67M in space with no regrets. I read...

Dak 45M restructure to bonus spreading 9M per years 2025 to 2029
Cap savings of 36M (89.9M to 53.9M)

Cee Dee 25M restructure to bonus spreading 5M per years 2025 TO 2030 Cap savings 20M (26.8M to 6.8M)

Parsons is already on the 2025 books for his 5th year option at 21M. They seem to think they will make him the highest paid defensive player and still reduce his 2025 cap number 11M.

The article said players on decline (Steele) or injury (Diggs) aren't wise restructures.

What do you think?
I hope all those moves are made.
 

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Do we want to stop the run, or not?
I hope this team has seen enough of Osa to know he isn’t a $20M player. Let someone else pay that if that’s what he gets. He is below average for a starting 3 tech against the run and a little above average against the pass. $15M range? Sure I’m in. For $20M I want a guy who is good on early downs, not just “ok”. If Osa is back he should be in more of a rotation in a much deeper DT room than we currently have. Add two DTs via the draft or free agency who are actually good and play Osa with them and we are talking. Mazi should be the #4 DT on the depth chart At best.
The good thing is..this is deep draft for D-line. We should be able to get a couple of young D-lineman in this draft.
 

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The good thing is..this is deep draft for D-line. We should be able to get a couple of young D-lineman in this draft.
I've seen updated mocks by people who are always pretty good...lots of DT's and RB's flying off the board in the first couple of rounds now. Throwing away that 4th is really going to fuck us up in the draft as far as flexibility. This is a year when the Cowboys would be so much better off if they filled needs in FA and didn't HAVE to have certain positions early in the draft. But we won't. We are going to have more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese. They will depend on finding starters with their seven picks that are 5th round or later. Good luck with that
 

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Cap goes up a whopping $26M this season, making is a $50M jump in two years. I don't want to hear Stephen's BS about no cap space because that's what it is
 

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Think about what you're saying though...Mazi should be #4 DT...Mazi isn't going to be #4. He will start. He is the only DT on the roster..I have no problem with not paying Osa $21M per(that's Jerry and Stephen's fault for waiting), but it really boxes us in to drafting for need and reaching for DT's. Eberflus needs a pass rush from 3T(Warren Sapp is the prototype in his scheme), and Osa is the best pass rusher on the market. The draft is deep at DT, but more the monstrous 1T type. They would be reaching at 12, but that's exactly how we ended up with Mazi. You aren't wrong in anything you said, but the front office has done a pathetic job at roster building
A new DC and staff owes Mazi nothing. If we keep Osa and draft or sign a FA I don't see anyway Mazi is starting unless he is twice the player we have seen thus far. He shouldn't even have started last year if we had any clue how to build a roster. As far as Osa being the best pass rusher on the free agent market, he has 13.5 sacks in 4 full seasons. His season high is 4.5. This is while playing in every game and usually 80% of the snaps. I like Osa a lot, but overvaluing their own players is what has killed this team for years from a cap perspective. If the DL isn't significantly better this team will go nowhere and you don't get significantly better by just playing all of the same guys.
 

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A new DC and staff owes Mazi nothing. If we keep Osa and draft or sign a FA I don't see anyway Mazi is starting unless he is twice the player we have seen thus far. He shouldn't even have started last year if we had any clue how to build a roster. As far as Osa being the best pass rusher on the free agent market, he has 13.5 sacks in 4 full seasons. His season high is 4.5. This is while playing in every game and usually 80% of the snaps. I like Osa a lot, but overvaluing their own players is what has killed this team for years from a cap perspective. If the DL isn't significantly better this team will go nowhere and you don't get significantly better by just playing all of the same guys.
I agree with everything you are saying. The problem with this team is, there's what the team needs to do and what they will do. Mazi was OK at best last season. Osa was good but not great(he should have been resigned a year ago, but as I said, we are mismanaged). This club drafts really well when they just pick the REAL best player on their board and don't draft for specific needs. You really can't trust their board anymore though because now, pathetically, they are sugar coating their board. Knowing they need certain positions, they will have certain guys ranked higher than they actually see them so they can say "We needed a DT and Mazi was the best player on our board. What luck". An example of drafting for need would have been passing on CeeDee Lamb and taking K'Lavon Chaisson or taking Johnny Football over Zach Martin. We just can't afford to do it but we will
 

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Do we want to stop the run, or not?
I hope this team has seen enough of Osa to know he isn’t a $20M player. Let someone else pay that if that’s what he gets. He is below average for a starting 3 tech against the run
 

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I agree with everything you are saying. The problem with this team is, there's what the team needs to do and what they will do. Mazi was OK at best last season. Osa was good but not great(he should have been resigned a year ago, but as I said, we are mismanaged). This club drafts really well when they just pick the REAL best player on their board and don't draft for specific needs. You really can't trust their board anymore though because now, pathetically, they are sugar coating their board. Knowing they need certain positions, they will have certain guys ranked higher than they actually see them so they can say "We needed a DT and Mazi was the best player on our board. What luck". An example of drafting for need would have been passing on CeeDee Lamb and taking K'Lavon Chaisson or taking Johnny Football over Zach Martin. We just can't afford to do it but we will
Yep, everything the Jones do seems to end badly. They have no problem signing a guy with a bumb knee(Jaylon Smith) early and it did not work out so they never do it again. These dummies are going to be in a "forced" rebuild if they don't change. The 2025 season could go sideways real fast if they have another first round like the past two off seasons.
 

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A new DC and staff owes Mazi nothing. If we keep Osa and draft or sign a FA I don't see anyway Mazi is starting unless he is twice the player we have seen thus far.
The problem is Jerruh is going to tell Eberfus to play Mazi. Jerruh not going to watch Mazi come off the bench. We saw Jerry do this with Zeke. Can't really blame it all on Mccarthy. It probably one of the reasons McCarthy did not want to come back. I swear they are intentionally trying to sabotage.
 

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The problem is Jerruh is going to tell Eberfus to play Mazi. Jerruh not going to watch Mazi come off the bench. We saw Jerry do this with Zeke. Can't really blame it all on Mccarthy. It probably one of the reasons McCarthy did not want to come back. I swear they are intentionally trying to sabotage.
I totally agree with that. It's the corner they have painted themselves into. Mazi is the only DT on the whole roster outside PS guys. If the Cowboys let all their FA'S walk and then sit out FA early, Cowboy fans should unite and boycott a home preseason game. Let Jerry show up to an empty stadium and that's a language he will understand
 

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Will Hernandez?
played under new OL coach Adams at Zona.

also a standout at UTEP entering his 8th season.
Drafted # 34 in 2018.
I would love to have him. Guy is a road grader and he is nasty. Adams loves the guy
 

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Will Hernandez?
played under new OL coach Adams at Zona.

also a standout at UTEP entering his 8th season.
Drafted # 34 in 2018.
I'm torn. A lot of talk about him and a couple of others from Arizona after the OC hire, but he's kind of a disappointment thus far. Good but not the really good player I thought he was going to be. Coming out of College I thought he was really going to be a top run blocker and wanted him in the draft and then again when he became available with the Giants. He was one of the first guys I thought of when we hired Adams. Then I started thinking about it a little. If he was average with Adams already coaching him (and he was average to maybe a little above average) he won't be better than that here and if Adams is so good with the OL can he bring our cheaper, younger guys to that same level to save those free agent dollars for another player. Or is a little above average so much better than they will ever be? :scratch:

Don't get me wrong, if we are bringing him in to compete for the RG job OR for a reasonable starters contract I'm all for it, but I'm not handing him the job or giving him a big contract coming off season ending knee surgery. Also if the plan is to move Tyler out to LT I am for it. It's not like I don't think he would be better than Hoffman and Bass, it's more I'm not sure how much better he would be than them in 2025 and going forward assuming that Adams' coaching and a new scheme and another year of experience is going to hopefully make them a lot better than what we have seen so far.

I guess I would put this in the bucket of Adams knows him as well as anyone and I'm sure he has been watching tape of our guys since he was hired so he has a good feel for how they measure up to Hernandez. If he thinks it's worth signing Hernandez then I will be very happy with the move. Related to the bigger picture, I'd really love to know what his thoughts are for where we should be playing our current guys and if we were to target one spot, what it would be.
 

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I'm torn. A lot of talk about him and a couple of others from Arizona after the OC hire, but he's kind of a disappointment thus far. Good but not the really good player I thought he was going to be. Coming out of College I thought he was really going to be a top run blocker and wanted him in the draft and then again when he became available with the Giants. He was one of the first guys I thought of when we hired Adams. Then I started thinking about it a little. If he was average with Adams already coaching him (and he was average to maybe a little above average) he won't be better than that here and if Adams is so good with the OL can he bring our cheaper, younger guys to that same level to save those free agent dollars for another player. Or is a little above average so much better than they will ever be? :scratch:

Don't get me wrong, if we are bringing him in to compete for the RG job OR for a reasonable starters contract I'm all for it, but I'm not handing him the job or giving him a big contract coming off season ending knee surgery. Also if the plan is to move Tyler out to LT I am for it. It's not like I don't think he would be better than Hoffman and Bass, it's more I'm not sure how much better he would be than them in 2025 and going forward assuming that Adams' coaching and a new scheme and another year of experience is going to hopefully make them a lot better than what we have seen so far.

I guess I would put this in the bucket of Adams knows him as well as anyone and I'm sure he has been watching tape of our guys since he was hired so he has a good feel for how they measure up to Hernandez. If he thinks it's worth signing Hernandez then I will be very happy with the move. Related to the bigger picture, I'd really love to know what his thoughts are for where we should be playing our current guys and if we were to target one spot, what it would be.
I'm not saying this is the case at all, but they might think of bringing Hernandez in to play LG and move Tyler Smith back to LT. Kick Guyton over to RT, save some money by making Steele a June 1. I have heard that Schotty is a huge fan of Hoffman and Bass.
 

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I'm not saying this is the case at all, but they might think of bringing Hernandez in to play LG and move Tyler Smith back to LT. Kick Guyton over to RT, save some money by making Steele a June 1. I have heard that Schotty is a huge fan of Hoffman and Bass.
and like I said if the plan is to move Tyler out to LT I'm for it because then we need more bodies and we know Hernandez is at worst pretty good.

I don't know what the rest of the world watched last year, but Steele was so far from our worst OL last year and miles better than Guyton. The idea of cutting him and having Guyton the RT job that I keep reading people say (here and elsewhere) is insane based off of last year's play and just isn't going to happen this year. Now of course I have been saying since day 1 year one for Guyton will be a red shirt year because he wasn't ready based on literally everything you read pre-draft and I do expect Guyton to improve and possible (hopefully) improve greatly, but he was horrendous last year. Not bad, horrendous. Steele would have to be cut in the next few weeks or he isn't cuttable this year. I just don't see any way that is happening and I think it would be borderline insane unless the plan was Richards, not Guyton, with Guyton as the hopeful breakout upside. But you can't assume Guyton in 2025 IMO. 2026? Sure, it becomes viable then if all goes well this year.

If Steele is cut we either sign a FA or go there early in the draft IMO and I'm fine with that. I'm just not OK with handing Guyton a starting job. Also, don't forget that does mean replacing Tyler with Hernandez or someone else also. I'm not sure this team is in position to create more holes right now.
 

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and like I said if the plan is to move Tyler out to LT I'm for it because then we need more bodies and we know Hernandez is at worst pretty good.

I don't know what the rest of the world watched last year, but Steele was so far from our worst OL last year and miles better than Guyton. The idea of cutting him and having Guyton the RT job that I keep reading people say (here and elsewhere) is insane based off of last year's play and just isn't going to happen this year. Now of course I have been saying since day 1 year one for Guyton will be a red shirt year because he wasn't ready based on literally everything you read pre-draft and I do expect Guyton to improve and possible (hopefully) improve greatly, but he was horrendous last year. Not bad, horrendous. Steele would have to be cut in the next few weeks or he isn't cuttable this year. I just don't see any way that is happening and I think it would be borderline insane unless the plan was Richards, not Guyton, with Guyton as the hopeful breakout upside. But you can't assume Guyton in 2025 IMO. 2026? Sure, it becomes viable then if all goes well this year.

If Steele is cut we either sign a FA or go there early in the draft IMO and I'm fine with that. I'm just not OK with handing Guyton a starting job. Also, don't forget that does mean replacing Tyler with Hernandez or someone else also. I'm not sure this team is in position to create more holes right now.
I'm not saying that SHOULD be the plan, I said it's an option. Fact is, Jerry and Stephen pretend we are cash strapped and have no cap space. Steele wasn't terrible but he wasn't great either, and he is getting paid. The club drafted a RT in Guyton in round 1 and hoped he could play LT, but like Mazi, he needs time to develop (to say the least). Guyton had more holding penalties last season than Martin had in his entire career(true story). So either they ride with Guyton again at LT(not me) or they have to add a LT or kick out Tyler. The latter seems the easiest fix, though TSmith is one heck of a LG
 

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and like I said if the plan is to move Tyler out to LT I'm for it because then we need more bodies and we know Hernandez is at worst pretty good.

I don't know what the rest of the world watched last year, but Steele was so far from our worst OL last year and miles better than Guyton. The idea of cutting him and having Guyton the RT job that I keep reading people say (here and elsewhere) is insane based off of last year's play and just isn't going to happen this year. Now of course I have been saying since day 1 year one for Guyton will be a red shirt year because he wasn't ready based on literally everything you read pre-draft and I do expect Guyton to improve and possible (hopefully) improve greatly, but he was horrendous last year. Not bad, horrendous. Steele would have to be cut in the next few weeks or he isn't cuttable this year. I just don't see any way that is happening and I think it would be borderline insane unless the plan was Richards, not Guyton, with Guyton as the hopeful breakout upside. But you can't assume Guyton in 2025 IMO. 2026? Sure, it becomes viable then if all goes well this year.

If Steele is cut we either sign a FA or go there early in the draft IMO and I'm fine with that. I'm just not OK with handing Guyton a starting job. Also, don't forget that does mean replacing Tyler with Hernandez or someone else also. I'm not sure this team is in position to create more holes right now.
I am hoping Guyton will improve from last year. He could not possibly be worse.
 
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