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Oh I would love to see him in Dallas. Or Jaylan Johnson, the Bears corner. Bears are looking for DL help, send them Doramce Armstrong, win win. Or Hunter Renfro, what would it take, a 5th? The NFC is pretty wide open, even with the Diggs injury, it's there for the taking for Dallas. I would value the corner as the best get, but a WR who can get separation and a power back would not hurt either

I’m actually OK with Bland on the other corner from Gilmore. He’s a bit of a ball hawk. Much like Diggs if not as big.

I think their defence is OK, but the offence sputters. And that’s why I’d like to see them get Henry.
 

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I’m actually OK with Bland on the other corner from Gilmore. He’s a bit of a ball hawk. Much like Diggs if not as big.

I think their defence is OK, but the offence sputters. And that’s why I’d like to see them get Henry.
I like Bland too, he is good outside but great inside. The Johnson kid isn't Diggs but he is a Hell of a player. Would get our D closer to where it was before Diggs went down.
I think you are right on Henry. If anything, he would make Pollard more effective because he wouldn't have to slam it into 8 man fronts on 3rd and 1
 

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I'm thinking next year the Cowboys can purge a lot of high contracts without falling off too much. Eudoga would be fine at guard, Tyler kicks out to tackle. Goodbye Tyron. Spend a 2nd or 3rd on a RB to pair with Dowdle and Deuce, Goodbye Pollard. Overshown comes back, bye LVE. Thomas and Bell start at safety, bye to Kearse and Hooker. Tolbert as #3 WR, bye Gallup. That would do away with a ton of big money contracts and get younger to boot
 

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I know you are from the area and have a feel for the fan base, but they aren't resigning him and they aren't winning anything this year and need to draft a QB. I'd be very surprised if they don't trade him.

They have spent a 3rd and early 2nd round pick on QBs the last 2 years. Levis is starting Sunday. He reminds me of a more mobile Matt Stafford. Decision making can be rough at times. Honestly thwy havent had much luck in drafting QBs since McNair. Mariota, Locker ,V. Young come to mind. If they finish dead last , sure they may want Caleb Williams but even he is showing some cracks lately. The Titans problem has always been WRs. They never can seem to hit on one and when they did they traded him to philly. I think they came to Nashville in 98. The best WR they have had for a significant amount of time besides AJ Brown was probably Derreck Mason. Nice player but not really elite. As far as Henry goes , they should trade him and get what they can but more importantly get rid of salary.
 

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I'm thinking next year the Cowboys can purge a lot of high contracts without falling off too much. Eudoga would be fine at guard, Tyler kicks out to tackle. Goodbye Tyron. Spend a 2nd or 3rd on a RB to pair with Dowdle and Deuce, Goodbye Pollard. Overshown comes back, bye LVE. Thomas and Bell start at safety, bye to Kearse and Hooker. Tolbert as #3 WR, bye Gallup. That would do away with a ton of big money contracts and get younger to boot
if they sign dak to a new deal jones has lost it.
 

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They are going to resign Dak, his current deal makes it impossible not too, they have no one to replace him, and will be picking in the 20s in the draft so they won't draft one
Exactly. We have to look to upgrade the o-line, LB, and Safety positions IMO. D-line can also be upgrade, but that is not critical IMO.
 

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Exactly. We have to look to upgrade the o-line, LB, and Safety positions IMO. D-line can also be upgrade, but that is not critical IMO.
What I don't get is why they keep targeting Gallup. He is not the same player from 3 years ago. Cooks needs those targets. Also get luepke more involved in red zone
 

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They are going to resign Dak, his current deal makes it impossible not too, they have no one to replace him, and will be picking in the 20s in the draft so they won't draft one
First off, I agree they likely will, but I disagree with the bolded. Moving on from Dak creates a cap problem for sure, but not as much as giving him $50M per year would and if you think he is signing here for less than that you are nuts. So while I agree with your point, I think knowing that extending him will make the cap hits even worse makes it possible to move on

If Dak plays out his deal his cap hits are: 2024 - $59.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $96M

If Dak is cut before the 5th league day of next year his cap hits are: 2024 - $61.9M; 2025 - $0M; Total - $61.9M

If Dak is cut post 6/1 his cap hits are: 2024 - $30.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $66.5M but better for 2024

If Dak is traded next year his cap hits to the Cowboys are: 2024 - $25.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $61.9M

If Dak is extended next year and signs a 4 year extension at $50M per (salary doesn't even matter for first couple of years) including $40M SB and assume $1M salary at beginning of deal and converts his 2024 salary to a SB, his cap hits are:
2024 - $45M ($5.6M 2024 current base restructure, $8M SB new deal, $13.2M previous restructure, $12.25M pervious restructure, $5M RB, $1M salary); 2025 - $40.1M including $1M base salary in year one of new deal; Total - $85.1M. This is only lower than the first scenario because we will move money back in the restructure but it crushes our future caps.

The issue starts in 2026 where the other scenarios above are all $0 and dead money is all cleared off the books, but this scenario it's $11M in dead money + 5.6 + 8 + 50M base for a total cap hit of $74.6M or you can push back his base salary hit and pay him $1M and start all over with dead money. Remember 2026 is year 2 of a 4 year extension so if you restructure and go with a $1M base again in 2026 that leaves $198M ($200M - $1M - $1M) in base salary still to hit the cap in the last 2 years of the contract or spread out as dead money. So do the math on 2027 and 2028 and beyond after he is gone

The last scenario as compared to any of the others is why I say he needs to earn his extension either this year or next. Remember when Dak's current deal is up he will be 32 years old and his body is already not what it was. He is slower, less mobile and has missed time with injuries
 

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First off, I agree they likely will, but I disagree with the bolded. Moving on from Dak creates a cap problem for sure, but not as much as giving him $50M per year would and if you think he is signing here for less than that you are nuts. So while I agree with your point, I think knowing that extending him will make the cap hits even worse makes it possible to move on

If Dak plays out his deal his cap hits are: 2024 - $59.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $96M

If Dak is cut before the 5th league day of next year his cap hits are: 2024 - $61.9M; 2025 - $0M; Total - $61.9M

If Dak is cut post 6/1 his cap hits are: 2024 - $30.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $66.5M but better for 2024

If Dak is traded next year his cap hits to the Cowboys are: 2024 - $25.5M; 2025 - $36.5M; Total - $61.9M

If Dak is extended next year and signs a 4 year extension at $50M per (salary doesn't even matter for first couple of years) including $40M SB and assume $1M salary at beginning of deal and converts his 2024 salary to a SB, his cap hits are:
2024 - $45M ($5.6M 2024 current base restructure, $8M SB new deal, $13.2M previous restructure, $12.25M pervious restructure, $5M RB, $1M salary); 2025 - $40.1M including $1M base salary in year one of new deal; Total - $85.1M. This is only lower than the first scenario because we will move money back in the restructure but it crushes our future caps.

The issue starts in 2026 where the other scenarios above are all $0 and dead money is all cleared off the books, but this scenario it's $11M in dead money + 5.6 + 8 + 50M base for a total cap hit of $74.6M or you can push back his base salary hit and pay him $1M and start all over with dead money. Remember 2026 is year 2 of a 4 year extension so if you restructure and go with a $1M base again in 2026 that leaves $198M ($200M - $1M - $1M) in base salary still to hit the cap in the last 2 years of the contract or spread out as dead money. So do the math on 2027 and 2028 and beyond after he is gone

The last scenario as compared to any of the others is why I say he needs to earn his extension either this year or next. Remember when Dak's current deal is up he will be 32 years old and his body is already not what it was. He is slower, less mobile and has missed time with injuries
I like Dak a lot but never would have extended him in the first place. To me, when someone says it's "the going rate", if I don't have what I consider "The Guy"....I'm not paying him that high a percentage of the cap space. I would take a QB in round 1 and build around him. Kenny Pickett was taken 20 overall. Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. If you want to argue that Dak is better than them, ok, but the question is, is Dak ENOUGH better than them to cover up the other $40 million per year in players you could sign if you weren't paying Dak. I say absolutely not. If he were Mahomes or Burrow or Lawrence....sure thing
 

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I like Dak a lot but never would have extended him in the first place. To me, when someone says it's "the going rate", if I don't have what I consider "The Guy"....I'm not paying him that high a percentage of the cap space. I would take a QB in round 1 and build around him. Kenny Pickett was taken 20 overall. Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. If you want to argue that Dak is better than them, ok, but the question is, is Dak ENOUGH better than them to cover up the other $40 million per year in players you could sign if you weren't paying Dak. I say absolutely not. If he were Mahomes or Burrow or Lawrence....sure thing
Well sure, if you could guarantee me Brock Purdy I'd take him. But it's not that easy. To move on from Dak you have to be happy with a Darnold type, because you can always sign a Darnold type UFA, and then also use a draft pick and hope you hit on it.

All I know is I can't imagine any Cowboy fan thinking that giving Dak $50M per year, if this year ends like the last two, is smart. At some point in time you have to try something new and sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater while doing it, but not making changes just guarantees your outcomes won't change either. I for one don't set my sights on just making the playoffs
 

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Trade deadline only a few days away (10/31). I think and hope we are going to make a "splash" move
 

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I like Dak a lot but never would have extended him in the first place. To me, when someone says it's "the going rate", if I don't have what I consider "The Guy"....I'm not paying him that high a percentage of the cap space. I would take a QB in round 1 and build around him. Kenny Pickett was taken 20 overall. Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. If you want to argue that Dak is better than them, ok, but the question is, is Dak ENOUGH better than them to cover up the other $40 million per year in players you could sign if you weren't paying Dak. I say absolutely not. If he were Mahomes or Burrow or Lawrence....sure thing
It is extremely hard to draft a good QB. Moreover, you are not going to get a QB as good as Dak at Dak's current salary. Look at what QB's are getting now. We are in a tough situation. If we get rid of Dak, we damn sure better have a plan to upgrade. I don't have another 10 to 20 years looking for a franchise QB.
 

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It is extremely hard to draft a good QB. Moreover, you are not going to get a QB as good as Dak at Dak's current salary. Look at what QB's are getting now. We are in a tough situation. If we get rid of Dak, we damn sure better have a plan to upgrade. I don't have another 10 to 20 years looking for a franchise QB.
I think the Cowboys are going to keep him. But I totally disagree that it's hard to find a decent QB. There are 6 QB's projected to go in round 1 next draft. The Cowboys personal dept, led by Will McClay, have found talented players at literally every level. RB-Pollard. WR-Lamb. OL, 2 HOF on current line. DL Tank. LB Micah. DB Diggs. You will never convince me that bunch couldn't find a talented QB....if they actually drafted one
 

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I think the Cowboys are going to keep him. But I totally disagree that it's hard to find a decent QB. There are 6 QB's projected to go in round 1 next draft. The Cowboys personal dept, led by Will McClay, have found talented players at literally every level. RB-Pollard. WR-Lamb. OL, 2 HOF on current line. DL Tank. LB Micah. DB Diggs. You will never convince me that bunch couldn't find a talented QB....if they actually drafted one
Not a decent QB. A franchise QB.
 

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Not a decent QB. A franchise QB.
Define Franchise QB. I would like to break the nearly 30 year cycle of no Lombardi's. In today's game, you win Super Bowls with great QB's or QB's on a rookie deal that haven't been paid. Once you start stripping parts, guys don't win titles unless their name is Brady(who took discount salaries every year) or Mahomes(who took a very team friendly deal). And those are possibly the two best that ever did it. A guy like Aaron Rodgers, who was undeniably great, won one, but after he got paid and started losing parts...no shot.
If it is your opinion that Dak, after turning 30, can be paid $50 million per and the team can win a SB, then sign him up. But don't call him a "franchise" QB if you think he is Kirk Cousins or Phillip Rivers when it comes to rings.
What I would do has zero to do with what Jerry will do. Never fear, Dak will be the highest paid player in the NFL...again....very soon
 
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