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Series Thread: 1st Round: 4) Cavs vs 5) Knicks

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watching the game at home tonight.

Allen needs to grow a pair and not get his ass kicked by Mitchell Robinson.

Someone beside Mitchell and Garland need to make some outside shots to open up the lane- its one of the major reasons the Cavs have struggled.

The Cavs do not have enough shooting. Knicks are clogging the lane since Mobley does not have a reliable outside shot yet and Allen is pretty much a true center- decent jumper but no one is covering him outside the lane.

I would give Okoro or Stevens run for defense. Okoro is a good defender. They ran with him all year and now are changing it all up. Not a good move by Bickerstaff

I do not even think the Knicks have really played that great- which is kind of a worry in a way. I think the Cavs- outside of game 2- have just played terrible

and oh yah- Mitchell needs to play like the All NBA 1st or 2nd teamer he had been all year.
something was really off with Allen. Credit to NY, of course, but no matter what he does you could usually count on him to at least hustle. H was just lazy on many shots not even trying to box out someone nor going after balls.

Cannot put all the blame on him as Mitchell did not shoot like he needs to and the guards were terrible boxing out their guards/wings.

In the forums I go to there was the usual fire JB, trade everyone, etc. but just need to get some shooters and a decent backup big. Could really use guys like Korver and Frye for this team.

Oh well......hats off to the Knicks as they played their asses off and earned it.
 

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That’s literally the entire season lol. They got off to slow starts in almost every game. I wanna put that on Bickerstaff but it’s more than that. A young team should be motivated. I think their entire offensive scheme is flawed, it can’t work in today’s NBA. Problem is they don’t have the personnel to run an uptempo offense. No shooting or playmakers outside the big 2 and an inconsistent LeVert
what was really sad is pretty much every game was the same. Even the one we won started the same as the others....finally made some shots for a quarter though.

This team has gotten better every year under JB so no reason to think they cannot do it again...shooter(s) and a backup big or 2.
 

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Yeah even though Allen was a HUGE part of the defense this year he clearly has some issues. I think Mark made more sense for Utah after drafting Kessler. I think it still can work but Mobley has to evolve offensively. At least be able to create his own shot then establish a jumper. Plus for all that paint clogging by Allen he couldn't grab a rebound to save his life. That is literally his job. A guy that could spread the floor would be ideal. Kinda like Giannis and Brook. Maybe Mobley develops his skillset like Giannis' and then a floor spacer would be ideal next to him. Allen is still very tradeable and in the Cavs defense Mark was not even close to the same player, he never looked anything close to a 1a or 1b
How often is Allen the screener in pick and roll for Garland or Mitchell? Is that a set they employ often?
 

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I know that is the pathetic thing lol

I miss Markkanen…I know the Cavs won more games this year, but I think the team was better last year. Factor out the injuries and they prob would have won just as many games last year.
It's possible and fair to discuss but I don't think I'd undo the deal if I could.......but need to find some shooters.
 

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Was Utah open to taking Allen instead of Mark? If so that was a whoopsie.
would guess no but who knows?

also not ready to move on from Allen as some seem to be (not saying you). Just a bad few games and I would not be surprised to find out if the guy has been playing hurt. whatever one thinks about the guy he did not look like himself. Could say playoffs were a shock but he's been in the playoffs and - at least as well as one can do - held his own against Embiid as a 20-21 year old. Now THAT could be a shock to the system.
 

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Yeah even though Allen was a HUGE part of the defense this year he clearly has some issues. I think Mark made more sense for Utah after drafting Kessler. I think it still can work but Mobley has to evolve offensively. At least be able to create his own shot then establish a jumper. Plus for all that paint clogging by Allen he couldn't grab a rebound to save his life. That is literally his job. A guy that could spread the floor would be ideal. Kinda like Giannis and Brook. Maybe Mobley develops his skillset like Giannis' and then a floor spacer would be ideal next to him. Allen is still very tradeable and in the Cavs defense Mark was not even close to the same player, he never looked anything close to a 1a or 1b
LM looked really good here and was sorry to see him go. But if we don't make that trade he does not become the guy he did in Utah where he could be the guy.
 

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Biggest take away from me so far in this series is that my opinion of Jarrett Allen has changed. I thought he was a dude. Really hasn’t looked that way in this series. One area the Cavs should have had a big advantage in this series has been at the 5. Knicks 5s have outplayed him. 2-6 from the floor with just 3 rebounds at the time of this post with 6:22 left in 3Q and -12.
I saw him that way, too, and other than game 1 he was a major disappointment. Not trying to make excuses for him but wont be surprised to later learn he has been playing through the injury he had at the end of the season. I mean, other than the last game he was his usual 60%+ shooting but he did nothing on the boards. Just looked lazy.
 

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And that is embarrassing when you start Mobley and Allen
Allen was terrible but I'd say was more the guards not boxing out their guards/wings than it was Mobley.....and our guards did next to nothing on the offensive glass.
 

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I saw him that way, too, and other than game 1 he was a major disappointment. Not trying to make excuses for him but wont be surprised to later learn he has been playing through the injury he had at the end of the season. I mean, other than the last game he was his usual 60%+ shooting but he did nothing on the boards. Just looked lazy.
You’re working your way through the thread and you’ll get to my post that offers the same idea about injury. That’s what you’re praying for because only other conclusion is that a Mobley/Allen pairing isn’t ideal in playoffs.
 

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I said all along this season was about playoff experience for the 20 year olds.

This isn’t championship or bust like some of the other older teams.

Hopefully some of the losers this year want to blow up their team if they lose. The Cavs need a wing player badly.
Yep....sucked to lose, especially knowing they win they'd get home court. Make some changes and get better. Don't even need a star. Just some shooters and a quality backup big (if he can shoot all the better).
 

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You’re working your way through the thread and you’ll get to my post that offers the same idea about injury. That’s what you’re praying for because only other conclusion is that a Mobley/Allen pairing isn’t ideal in playoffs.
Might not be ideal, but thinking it could work with other shooters out there with them other than the guards. That, or another quality backup big.

Love playing like he did last year would have helped. Some will say they screwed the pooch by letting him walk and can definitely make that argument. But I get it. He was playing at a beyond awful level when he was benched (as Miami and their fans saw other than a couple games). Not sure having an unhappy Love around was ideal.....kind of wish he just wanted to stick around and be with this group. But he wanted to play which is understandable.
 

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Agree on the wing player. But the biggest question is the Allen/Mobley plan. I mean shit. If you’re gonna get dominated on the glass playing two 7 footers WTF are we even doing?!?!?
Guessing this is the one you meant......the bigger problem to me in the series was the other guys on the Knicks getting so many rebounds. Our guards need to box out. I guess to be fair so many bricked 3s will lead to long rebounds, but still cannot let them get so many. Plus we had our share of bricks our guards did not get.
 

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Mobley is only in his second year and should keep getting better.

Allen was disappointing. Not sure why. He usually is a rebound machine. Might have to trade him.
It's possible......but they might look more into the other 200 or so games he played here and try to figure out why he wasn't that guy.
 

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How often is Allen the screener in pick and roll for Garland or Mitchell? Is that a set they employ often?
They use the pick n roll often with Mobley or Allen for the lob during the season. I'm not sure how often they used in the series but they couldn't get anything in the halfcourt bc the entire defense didn't respect anyone but Garland or Mitchell. They got so many open looks even Mitchell missed a lot of open looks. It came down scheme and shotmaking and the Cavs didn't have it.
 

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Yep....sucked to lose, especially knowing they win they'd get home court. Make some changes and get better. Don't even need a star. Just some shooters and a quality backup big (if he can shoot all the better).

They have 2 Pg's and 2 Centers...Seems like a trade of 1/2 may be a good idea for a good SF. Unless they have money to sign a SF.

Was it just me or did the coach have retarded lineups. Players would go from playing 20-30 minutes a night to not playing at all. Letting K love go was stupid to tbh. The coach didn't make a single adjustment in the series against NY lol
 

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They have 2 Pg's and 2 Centers...Seems like a trade of 1/2 may be a good idea for a good SF. Unless they have money to sign a SF.

Was it just me or did the coach have retarded lineups. Players would go from playing 20-30 minutes a night to not playing at all. Letting K love go was stupid to tbh. The coach didn't make a single adjustment in the series against NY lol
That's what happens when you have very inconsistent role players. Easy to criticize Bickerstaff but look at this cast of clowns.

Osman - extremely inconsistent. Could score 2 one game then 30 one game. Not great at creating his own shot. Pesky but average defender.
Stevens - low % shooter. Gritty defender. Cannot create his own shot.
KLove - he wasn't shooting well, often injured, bad defender.
Wade - hurt, declined as a shooter even with consistent playing time. Good defender. Cannot create his own shot.
Rubio - didn't look himself after recovering from injury. below average defender, bad shooter and was as good at creating his own shot than in the past.
Robin Lopez - unplayable
Neto - gritty defender, decent shooter, cannot create his own shot. Size issues (no pun intended)
Okoro (starter) - inconsistent shoote and hesitant with his shot even when open. Cannot create his own shot but their best wing defender.
Levert (starter and bench player) - throughout the season the most consistent defender. Improved his 3 ball but his ability off the dribble and mid-range declining dramatically. In the playoffs, he was a below average defender which was weird. Offensively still inconsistent but solid enough.

Look at that shitshow.
 

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They use the pick n roll often with Mobley or Allen for the lob during the season. I'm not sure how often they used in the series but they couldn't get anything in the halfcourt bc the entire defense didn't respect anyone but Garland or Mitchell. They got so many open looks even Mitchell missed a lot of open looks. It came down scheme and shotmaking and the Cavs didn't have it.
Yes....and a lot of it was our guards did not box out their guards/wings
 

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They have 2 Pg's and 2 Centers...Seems like a trade of 1/2 may be a good idea for a good SF. Unless they have money to sign a SF.

Was it just me or did the coach have retarded lineups. Players would go from playing 20-30 minutes a night to not playing at all. Letting K love go was stupid to tbh. The coach didn't make a single adjustment in the series against NY lol
They have 1 PG. Mitchell is a SG. also think Mobley, with the way he can move, is better as a PF. IF they can get a stud wing/SF for Allen? sure. Have at it. But they do not need to overreact. I mean, if we had Hart and Hartenstein on our bench instead of NY we likely win in 4 or 5...and guys like that are attainable.

As to the didn't make a single adjustment that's simply factually incorrect. By your own comments it is factually incorrect. First, made a huge adjustment by taking Okoro out of the starting lineup and replacing with Levert. Could argue he should have gone back but it is, in fact, an adjustment. Made an adjustment by having Rubio as part of the regular rotation down to little or even no time on the court (my vote was the latter). You even said guys went from 20-30 minutes to no time which would be an adjustment.
 
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