2023 Free Agency & the Fantasy Pros & Cons

[TREFF]

good to know. I thought he had a beef with Wilson and they disliked each other but I did not know about his attitude issues...definitely a concern.

somehow all his tweets complaining about not getting the ball, talking about how 'hard' he goes in his workouts and sitll gets no love..have not made news outside of the local area..I don't get it myself, maybe the national guys couldn't care less about a disgruntled WR playing for a team who hasn't had a winning record in nearly a decade?

He and WIlson get along great form all reports.

 

[Shanemansj13]

somehow all his tweets complaining about not getting the ball, talking about how 'hard' he goes in his workouts and sitll gets no love..have not made news outside of the local area..I don't get it myself, maybe the national guys couldn't care less about a disgruntled WR playing for a team who hasn't had a winning record in nearly a decade?

He and WIlson get along great form all reports.

Ohh nooooo the Browns trading for another diva. Nightmares starting again

 

[TREFF]

Ohh nooooo the Browns trading for another diva. Nightmares starting again

Not to defend him, but he's at least not on the OBJ level of DIVA...although I do feel OBJ was the better teamate...although that was when his team was winning, and Juedy has never been on a winner, so maybe that's not a fair judgement?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Not to defend him, but he's at least not on the OBJ level of DIVA...although I do feel OBJ was the better teamate...although that was when his team was winning, and Juedy has never been on a winner, so maybe that's not a fair judgement?

And he was going to the Browns to be a #1 option. I can get behind Jeudy depending on the compensation and he would be a #2 or #3. I can't deal with bad teammates though

 

[TREFF]

And he was going to the Browns to be a #1 option. I can get behind Jeudy depending on the compensation and he would be a #2 or #3. I can't deal with bad teammates though

well he's not a better X WR than Cooper, so he may think he'd be a number 1 on the Brownies, but he wouldn't be, and he'd probably be butt hurt about it too. Hope they don't make that mistake.

 

[Shanemansj13]

well he's not a better X WR than Cooper, so he may think he'd be a number 1 on the Brownies, but he wouldn't be, and he'd probably be butt hurt about it too. Hope they don't make that mistake.

I meant OBJ when they traded for him to be a #1. No way Jeudy is ahead of Cooper and DPJ is making strides.

 

[tlance]

My personal observation is that Juedy is the prototypical 'wasted potential' WR. Dude has nothing but pure raw talent and ability, but can't get out of his own way with his bullshit. Always posting about his workouts and not getting the ball, complaining about his role yada yada. Everything has always been handed to the dude and it shows, not just on social media but on the field as well. I wouldn't trade a plug nickel for him.

Going off what I've heard about him from the local Bronco beat guys its a fairly even split, internally as in the team front office- not the media-, as to keep him or get rid of him. Many are just simply over him and looking for a decent return.

As to why he's being dangled, - and the following is from what I've heard various beat reporters/radio shows talk about, not my own opinion- well, yes its his piss poor attitude combined with his failure to produce, but also, of the expendable positions on the field, like any WR outside of the elite guys, he's the most likely to bring a decent return. Sutton won't bring jack sqwat, neither would Patrick, can't deal J. Williams, no TE's of note to bring a return..Juedy is the only viable trade chip they have, and they need draft capital. They could fill what Juedy can bring with any number of free agents. not his physical talent obviously, but since the WR position is entirely dependent upon the QBs getting them the ball, which Russ hasn't done well lately, why bother waiting for that potential to be realized? They can't take advantage of it even if he does suddenly blossom. Just as well cash in, get a decent rental, and continue rebuilding that roster.

And the price tag? utterly ridiculous. When Brandin Cooks just went for two LATE round picks..Juedy for a #1 is a joke. Dallas even turned them down, and they hand out #'1 for WR's like candy.

Got to consider age and contract though. Juedy is a huge bargain from that standpoint.

I think what Denver is asking is too much.

But pick 42 for Juedy?

Seems fair to me.

Vets like Cooks never going to fetch much in trade. Juedy has potential to be a top 10-15 WR in the league.

 

[TREFF]

Got to consider age and contract though. Juedy is a huge bargain from that standpoint.

I think what Denver is asking is too much.

But pick 42 for Juedy?

Seems fair to me.

Vets like Cooks never going to fetch much in trade. Juedy has potential to be a top 10-15 WR in the league.

Yea, that is factoring in age and contract, imho..still a joke. Juedy is just another in a long line of ultra talented dudes who never quite get it

 

[Shanemansj13]

Got to consider age and contract though. Juedy is a huge bargain from that standpoint.

I think what Denver is asking is too much.

But pick 42 for Juedy?

Seems fair to me.

Vets like Cooks never going to fetch much in trade. Juedy has potential to be a top 10-15 WR in the league.

I mean Claypool went for pick 33 and he doesn't have the potential Jeudy does imo

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yea, that is factoring in age and contract, imho..still a joke. Juedy is just another in a long line of ultra talented dudes who never quite get it

WR's are becoming one of the most important positions in the NFL. Seeing some of Jeudy advanced stats I'm not so sure he is just some another talented guy....8 drops over 2 years on 154 targets...not bad. This WR draft class is not very deep. Jeudy is far better than anything at 42. Worth the risk.
$2.5 cap hit this year. $13M this year. It's really not bad for pick #42 imo.

Claypool went for pick 33

 

[TREFF]

WR's are becoming one of the most important positions in the NFL. Seeing some of Jeudy advanced stats I'm not so sure he is just some another talented guy....8 drops over 2 years on 154 targets...not bad. This WR draft class is not very deep. Jeudy is far better than anything at 42. Worth the risk.
$2.5 cap hit this year. $13M this year. It's really not bad for pick #42 imo.

Claypool went for pick 33

"WR's are becoming one of the most overvalued..
"

FIFY

Receivers are a small step above irrelevant unless the QB puts the ball in thier hands

Yes they do have an effect on the defense, but unless they are the elite of the elite- the Adams, the Jeffersons, the Chases, the Tyreeks, AJ Brown may be in this category now- the precious few who can easily wreck a game with the ball in the hands, no defensive coordinator is game planning to stop a WR. All the rest, even the higher end ones, they're just guys. Guys that need to be accounted for in a defensive scheme, but I have yet to hear of any defensive play where even the worst player on the feild is intentionally left unaccounted for, so they're just guys. Blows my mind the ridiculous contracts some of these dudes are getting. Those elite dudes? Those i get, no problem with that becuase they do have that sort of impact.

Now, in the case of the Browns, let's say you do deal #42, and player X. Sure that potential is likely worth that pick, if you wanna gamble there.
You're %100 right, Juedy's raw ability is most likely better, today, than anything that's likely to be there at 42. I can't argue that analytically, on paper, taking out everything but what he has the physicall ability to do, Juedy is probably a better bet than anyone you'd get at 42. But I wouldnt go so far as to guarantee it- from DK Metcalf to George Pickebs, there's about 6 dudes the past three years drafted in the second who are currently better than Juedy, so it's far from impossible to do better, but can the Brownies identify that guy??

And as to the cap hit, if you just traded a high #2 and a player, for a WR banking on his potential, surely your giving him an extension right? Highly doubt you give up a #2 for anyone without committing to them for 3-5 more years, so that number is going up, most likely. Cuz he's not gonna sign a cheap extension, he's gonna want to be paid like a #1, and because of the other exorbitant #1 contracts out there, it'll be pricey.

So factoring in contract is kinda sketchy. Using his rookie deal, sure, he's on the cheap end, but, you know you're extending him if you dealt valuable draft capital to get him, so it's kinda fuzzy math to point to it, ya know?

And Claypool went for a future #2, which for all the Bears/Steelers knew, could have been #32, or pick #63, regardless, future picks are always valued a step lower than the same round in the current year's picks on the 'valuation charts' used by most GM's, because sure you got a #2, but youve just dealt away an asset with no chance of realized gains for a calender year, that gets factored into the value of that pick. I'm shocked the Bears havent\didn't extend him. Would Da Bears trade #32 for him today? Hard to say.

 

[averagejoe]

Re: Claypool trade.

I admit the Bears seemed to give up too much for him.
Now it may seem like i am defending the trade but with Mooney out the Bears essentially had no one. (No one that defenses would be concerned about.)

Before the Claypool trade (Nov 1), the Bears had only one 300-yard passing game. After the trade - and again, maybe the dividends are not seen from Claypool's personal stat line - but the Bears had 4 300-yard passing games.

 

[averagejoe]

OMG
I was looking at the wrong stat column!!!

Ugh.
Nevermind

 

[TREFF]

OMG
I was looking at the wrong stat column!!!

Ugh.
Nevermind

I was lookin...lol
hmm..highest I see is 254...hahaha--which was after the Claypool deal!

 

[averagejoe]

I was lookin...lol
hmm..highest I see is 254...hahaha--which was after the Claypool deal!

I guess my point was, the Bears offense was lacking... plus they were trying to evaluate Fields... they needed somebody.

Maybe a 2nd was a steep price to pay, but at the time, bringing in Claypool showed that they were serious about fixing the offense they inherited.

 

[TREFF]

I guess my point was, the Bears offense was lacking... plus they were trying to evaluate Fields... they needed somebody.

Maybe a 2nd was a steep price to pay, but at the time, bringing in Claypool showed that they were serious about fixing the offense they inherited.

More worth it than Jeudy, imho.

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[Shanemansj13]

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More worth it than Jeudy, imho.

Depends on fit and the type of WR a team needs honestly. Claypool is an outside WR. Jeudy can play anywhere, I'm not sure where he played the most but not a big bodied WR. I don't know what Jeudy is worth but we might find out soon what another teams thinks he is worth

 

[TREFF]

Depends on fit and the type of WR a team needs honestly. Claypool is an outside WR. Jeudy can play anywhere, I'm not sure where he played the most but not a big bodied WR. I don't know what Jeudy is worth but we might find out soon what another teams thinks he is worth

as far as what Denver has used him as..he was exclusively the Y receiver--outside opposite the X or whatever, and for the final quarter of the season last year, they moved him to X, where he did significantly better (that's where he got %33 of his career TD's in one game). He hasn't had much time in the slot to have any real idea how he'd do there..least not that I've heard talked about/noticed personally.

And if the need is a slot guy..go sign Crowder for jsut over the vet minimum and be way ahead of the game.

 

[leftypower]

From a fantasy prospective, it seems like a lot of discussion on two guys that, if you are relying on them to make difference, it's kind of like wasted space - either is probably not bad if rostered as a WR4 (3 top end), and the difference between 'em is most likely 6 of one, half dozen of the other. .... just my humble opinion.