Who do you blame for the Nets Big 3 Failure?

[fightinfunbags]

Dirk Nowitski is the best example I can think of

Yep. Forgot Dirk.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Yep. Forgot Dirk.

That guy single handedly destroyed the Big 3 Heat in that 2011 Finals, with a torn tendon in one hand. And they swept the defending champ Lakers in the Semis, beat Durant's and Westbrook's Thunder in the WCF. Who did he have on his team? Tyson Chandler? Stojakovic? Kidd? Still one of the most amazing runs I've ever seen.

 

[Pastafazul]

Stop it.

Most of here talked about the downside risk for this team when it formed.

Super talented, super crazy and a lot of ego.

Had nothing to do with NY.

And they also totally prove your main point wrong that you claim stars don’t want to play in NY.

When you say I’m wrong I know I am right!

Y’all will never get where I’m coming from cause of your generation and blind love for this game.

Most of what I post comes to fruition in some sort of way .

And again, until the owners take the game away from the players , the league will lose more and more interest.

Y’all better off watching soaps !!!

 

[trojanfan12]

Wilt
Kareem
MJ
DWade (the first one)
Kobe (non Shaq one)

That’s just off the top of my head.

Wilt - are you talking about the 1967 Sixers team with 3 other Hall of Famers on it, or the 1972 Lakers who also had 3 Hall of Famers?

Kareem - are you talking about the 1971 Bucks team that had 2 other Hall of Famers on it, or the 5 he won with Magic Johnson and the Showtime Lakers?

MJ - are you talking about the titles he won without Scottie Pippen, Rodman, etc.

DWade, so the one he won with Shaq, Alonzo Mourning, etc.

Kobe - So the ones with Pau Gasol, etc.

 

[trojanfan12]

Dirk Nowitski is the best example I can think of

Jason Kidd, Caron Butler Shawn Marion and Jason Terry had nothing to do with it?

 

[trojanfan12]

Most players have pieces added to their team to contend, they don't run away somewhere else. But you know this already. The Sixers added Moses. Dr. J didn't leave for the Celtics or Lakers. Lakers went out and added shaq to kobe. Kobe didn't runaway somewhere else. Jordan took the lowly Bulls to the top. Have you ever heard of Michael Jordan?

So, you have no examples of anyone winning by themselves.

Ever heard of Scottie Pippen?

 

[eaglesnut]

So, you have no examples of anyone winning by themselves.

Ever heard of Scottie Pippen?

Are you really claiming now that Jordan piggybacked on scottie pippen and Dirk piggybacked on caron butler? Lol what a goof

 

[fightinfunbags]

Wilt - are you talking about the 1967 Sixers team with 3 other Hall of Famers on it, or the 1972 Lakers who also had 3 Hall of Famers?

Kareem - are you talking about the 1971 Bucks team that had 2 other Hall of Famers on it, or the 5 he won with Magic Johnson and the Showtime Lakers?

MJ - are you talking about the titles he won without Scottie Pippen, Rodman, etc.

DWade, so the one he won with Shaq, Alonzo Mourning, etc.

Kobe - So the ones with Pau Gasol, etc.

Oh my bad. I took you at face value when you used the term “piggyback”. These guys were all alphas in place and these pieces came later. They didn’t beg out and force a move off of their team. I should know better. Assume goalposts will be moved when convenient - check.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Jason Kidd, Caron Butler Shawn Marion and Jason Terry had nothing to do with it?

Big flex going on here everybody. Not sure if you are aware everybody, but apparently basketball games are played with each team putting 5 members on the court at a time. Additionally, they have reserves who sit on the bench and can be used to “substitute” for the starting players throughout the course of the game.

This is why I keep coming back…the hard hitting sports knowledge that’s always on display.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Jason Kidd, Caron Butler Shawn Marion and Jason Terry had nothing to do with it?

You trying to prop up Caron Butler as some kind of superstar that Dirk piggy-backed off of???

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Dirk piggybacked on caron butler?

My ninja

 

[fightinfunbags]

You trying to prop up Caron Butler as some kind of superstar that Dirk piggy-backed off of???

Yep. He threw out that hot take and ever since it’s been getting shot down like a clay pigeon.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Yep. He threw out that hot take and ever since it’s been getting shot down like a clay pigeon.

I mean, to be fair to Trojanfan, Jason Kidd is one of the greatest PGs in NBA history. But he never could carry a team himself and this was at the end of his career.

Some of the teams that Lebron took to the Finals, it was him and 7 dwarfs.

Jordan had some good players around him, but nobody else who could have been considered a superstar on any other team.

 

[tlance]

Are you really claiming now that Jordan piggybacked on scottie pippen and Dirk piggybacked on caron butler? Lol what a goof

Jordan piggybacked on Pippen in the same way LeBron piggybacked on Wade.

The best player on the team isn’t the one piggybacking.

It is abundantly clear who the best player on the Heat was.

 

[tlance]

I mean, to be fair to Trojanfan, Jason Kidd is one of the greatest PGs in NBA history. But he never could carry a team himself and this was at the end of his career.

Some of the teams that Lebron took to the Finals, it was him and 7 dwarfs.

Jordan had some good players around him, but nobody else who could have been considered a superstar on any other team.

Not true.

Pippen was a top 4 MVP candidate his year without MJ and the Bulls were right there with the other contending teams.

Pippen was a superstar at his peak.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Not true.

Pippen was a top 4 MVP candidate his year without MJ and the Bulls were right there with the other contending teams.

Pippen was a superstar at his peak.

Eh...disagree

 

[tlance]

Eh...disagree

I mean…

On him being a superstar?

Everything else I wrote was factual.

He was 3rd in MVP voting in 94

And no other superstar from that era had a teammate as good as Pippen. Stockton and Malone the closest thing.

 

[tlance]

Eh...disagree

In 96, Jordan won MVP and Pippen finished 5th.

How many times in history have 2 teammates finished top 5?

 

[Wamu]

Wilt
Kareem
MJ
DWade (the first one)
Kobe (non Shaq one) <--

That’s just off the top of my head.

Kobe had Pau and he's going to the HOF. He was traded to the Lakers during the '07-'08 season. The previous two seasons before the Lakers got Pau they got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs. He became a Laker and they went to 3 straight Finals.

How about the Hakeem-led Rockets?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Kobe had Pau and he's going to the HOF. He was traded to the Lakers during the '07-'08 season. The previous two seasons before the Lakers got Pau they got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs. He became a Laker and they went to 3 straight Finals.

How about the Hakeem-led Rockets?

Immaterial. Kobe didn’t beg out and go ring chasing with some other franchise.