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HaroldSeattle

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Teams do this all the time. It's part of managing the cap. 10 million in cap today is more expensive that 10 million in cap 4 years from now because the cap will be higher, considerably higher most likely.
Yes teams do do this all the time and often it leads to huge amount of dead money and/or cap hits down the road. iI ends up being a smaller percentage of the cap because the cap rose but it is still wasted money. A bridge QB just isn't worth the money some are throwing around.
 

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Yes teams do do this all the time and often it leads to huge amount of dead money and/or cap hits down the road. iI ends up being a smaller percentage of the cap because the cap rose but it is still wasted money. A bridge QB just isn't worth the money some are throwing around.
Maybe we should try only signing players to 1 year contracts so there is never a danger of any "wasted" money down the road. I can't believe there aren't any teams doing this!
 

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I see Geno as a bridge QB that is unlikely to duplicate 2022 season, others here see him as viable starting QB for the next 2-3 years. If the Seahawks sign Geno we will find out what he is and it won't take long I bet. Heck this time last year not a single Seahawks fan thought Geno was a viable NFL starting QB, not one single fan.
 

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I see Geno as a bridge QB that is unlikely to duplicate 2022 season, others here see him as viable starting QB for the next 2-3 years. If the Seahawks sign Geno we will find out what he is and it won't take long I bet. Heck this time last year not a single Seahawks fan thought Geno was a viable NFL starting QB, not one single fan.
our defense was historically bad against the run, if they hadnt been we are looking at 12 wins this past year. how different does this conversation look if geno led us to 12 wins?

im not saying he is the guy thats going to lead us to the superbowl, but Im certain none of the QBs in this draft are either.
 

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our defense was historically bad against the run, if they hadnt been we are looking at 12 wins this past year. how different does this conversation look if geno led us to 12 wins?

im not saying he is the guy thats going to lead us to the superbowl, but Im certain none of the QBs in this draft are either.
Do you feel the Seahawks were contenders in 2022 or pretenders? Do you want a repeat of 2022? Do you think Geno can lead the Seahawks to a SB?
 

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Do you feel the Seahawks were contenders in 2022 or pretenders? Do you want a repeat of 2022? Do you think Geno can lead the Seahawks to a SB?
We weren't contenders mostly because our defense was historically bad.

I think we should stack draft capital next year and do whatever it takes to move up and grab a top 2 QB, Meanwhile fill the gaps in the defense.

What will they do? They'll resign geno and hope the team around him is good enough to carry him.
 

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I see Geno as a bridge QB that is unlikely to duplicate 2022 season, others here see him as viable starting QB for the next 2-3 years. If the Seahawks sign Geno we will find out what he is and it won't take long I bet. Heck this time last year not a single Seahawks fan thought Geno was a viable NFL starting QB, not one single fan.

We had good reason to be skeptical of his ability to be a viable starting QB. But we now have a full season of seeing what 32 year old Geno Smith can do. And here are some of the things we learned.

Geno Smith had the LOWEST percentage of bad passes thrown in the NFL
He had the 4th best on target percentage in the NFL.
He was the most accurate passer in terms of completion %.
He also wasn't a QB who lived off of RPO or play action.
He led the league in deep TD passes(20+ yards)


OTOH, we also know that he has limitations. If the team gets behind, he is unlikely to be able to mount a comeback. He's not dynamic enough of a player to do that.

But if we had just an average run defense, the Seahawks would have been a 11 or 12 win team this year. With 5 rookies being essentially starters. Moving to a new QB simply out of hope that they might, someday, be better seems to be a step in the wrong direction.
 

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Do you feel the Seahawks were contenders in 2022 or pretenders? Do you want a repeat of 2022? Do you think Geno can lead the Seahawks to a SB?

The Seahawks have had a non-contending defense since basically Earl and Richard went down. We could have had Mahomes last year and we would not have been a contender.

To rebuild a defense, you need all the key players to be about the same age, otherwise you start losing parts as you gain new ones. Last year was a huge success in terms of drafting players. If we can take the next step and get the defense good again then we could turn it around pretty quickly.

The 49ers were a bad luck break away from their 3rd string rookie QB taking them to a Super Bowl. So, yes, I do think Geno can take the team to a Super Bowl PROVIDED we have a talented roster around him.

Of course it would be great if we were able to draft a franchise QB. But that is a lot easier said than done. And everyone of the top 3 QBs have big question marks about them. Drafting one of them, assuming one even falls to us, represents considerable risk.

FTR, I think all 3 QBs will wind up going in the top 4.

OTOH, I would be completely on board with using a 2nd or 3rd round pick to grab a QB. Take a flyer on Hooker, red shirt him in 2023 if he isn't 100% ready and see what you got in 2024. What I DON'T want is for us to be pennywise and pound foolish. Letting Geno go so we can replace him with someone like Darnold or Mayfield or Mariota is just a terrible approach. If keeping Geno means we need to cut Jamal Adams I'll take Geno over any of those QBs PLUS Adams.
 

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We had good reason to be skeptical of his ability to be a viable starting QB.
And we still have good reason to be skeptical. Given his years in the league think it's fair to say it was a fluke season for Geno and he'll be 33 in Oct. Geno didn't play well against good teams, just the downtrodden teams. This draft offers a opportunity to land a potential franchise QB without moving up in the draft, something that will not be available after this draft and Geno coming off a fluke season will be playing in 2023 at the age of 33 it would be irresponsible not to address the QB situation this draft unless this years crop of QBs are as bad as the 2022 crop and I don't feel that's the case.
 

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And we still have good reason to be skeptical. Given his years in the league think it's fair to say it was a fluke season for Geno and he'll be 33 in Oct. Geno didn't play well against good teams, just the downtrodden teams. This draft offers a opportunity to land a potential franchise QB without moving up in the draft, something that will not be available after this draft and Geno coming off a fluke season will be playing in 2023 at the age of 33 it would be irresponsible not to address the QB situation this draft unless this years crop of QBs are as bad as the 2022 crop and I don't feel that's the case.

Who is the good option to draft? Are you willing to see the Seahawks trade up to make sure they get that QB? Or do you just want them to draft whatever QB is still left and hope for the best? I've asked you this in the past and you always demure.

The draft is in May, or very late April. Free agency begins in March. If we let Geno go to free agency then he is likely gone. So now we have to find a replacement for him. If we sign Mayfield or Darnold and want to draft a QB, what happens if all 3 are drafted before we pick? Draft Richardson? Close our eyes and pick some day 2 QB and hope they are Russell 2.0?

A plausible plan that doesn't mean the Hawks face a real risk of being dramatically worse in 2023 would be helpful.
 

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And we still have good reason to be skeptical. Given his years in the league think it's fair to say it was a fluke season for Geno and he'll be 33 in Oct. Geno didn't play well against good teams, just the downtrodden teams. This draft offers a opportunity to land a potential franchise QB without moving up in the draft, something that will not be available after this draft and Geno coming off a fluke season will be playing in 2023 at the age of 33 it would be irresponsible not to address the QB situation this draft unless this years crop of QBs are as bad as the 2022 crop and I don't feel that's the case.
We were 2-4 against playoff teams, coincidentally the two games we won our run D was very effective.

The games we lost our run D was atrocious.
 

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Do you feel the Seahawks were contenders in 2022 or pretenders?
These aren't the only 2 choices. The Hawks looked like the surprise of the league for half the season, then faded a bit down the stretch mostly due to poor defense. They have enough young talent to believe they will compete for a playoff spot again next year. The 2022 draft class may end up being top 3 in franchise history.
Do you want a repeat of 2022?
No team except the SB winner wants a repeat of the previous season. Pointless question.
Do you think Geno can lead the Seahawks to a SB?
Yes. If Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer can, so can Geno Smith. Will he? Well, that depends on a lot of non-Geno factors, most importantly what the team does to improve the defense. But only 2 teams play in the SB each year, so it's unlikely that any given QB will lead their team to it. Aaron Rodgers has been to 1 in his entire career, and it was 12 years ago.
 

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With how bad we were stopping the run if we don’t address that in this draft I’d be disappointed … Our front 7 needs help… D-line, LB should be a priority … I’m ok if we get a young QB prospect just not at number 5….
 

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With how bad we were stopping the run if we don’t address that in this draft I’d be disappointed … Our front 7 needs help… D-line, LB should be a priority … I’m ok if we get a young QB prospect just not at number 5….
Yep. Unless we do something to get a lot better on defense, commotion at the QB position is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 

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Yes. If Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer can, so can Geno Smith. Will he? Well, that depends on a lot of non-Geno factors, most importantly what the team does to improve the defense. But only 2 teams play in the SB each year, so it's unlikely that any given QB will lead their team to it. Aaron Rodgers has been to 1 in his entire career, and it was 12 years ago.
There have been 38 QBs selected in the 1st round since 2010.

4 of them have played in a Super Bowl. That's an 11% success rate.
 

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Yep. Unless we do something to get a lot better on defense, commotion at the QB position is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Exactly right. Our highest priority is getting difference makers in the front 7.
 

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Exactly right. Our highest priority is getting difference makers in the front 7.
OK then signing a difference maker for the front seven should come ahead of resigning Geno. Be cheaper and more bang for the buck, as QB are vastly over paid.
 

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With how bad we were stopping the run if we don’t address that in this draft I’d be disappointed … Our front 7 needs help… D-line, LB should be a priority … I’m ok if we get a young QB prospect just not at number 5….
Why not sign Payne to address the run defense, than draft a highly regarded QB in the draft with pick 5? Cheaper and more bang for your buck. Then you still got a first , 2 seconds, then the other picks to fill holes.
 

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Why not sign Payne to address the run defense, than draft a highly regarded QB in the draft with pick 5? Cheaper and more bang for your buck. Then you still got a first , 2 seconds, then the other picks to fill holes.

Which QB do you think we should draft? What do you think we should do if that QB isn't available when we are up?
 

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OK then signing a difference maker for the front seven should come ahead of resigning Geno. Be cheaper and more bang for the buck, as QB are vastly over paid.

Robbing from Peter to give to Paul doesn't improve the team.

At this point it seems like you are simply digging your heels into "Draft a QB at 5 and pray for the best". That sort of tunnel vision rarely works out.
 
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