Seattle Mariners 2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[NWinAZ]

@NWinAZ @wazzu31 @SeattleCoug

I was just reading Corey Brock's mailbag and he proposed this trade, curious what you guys think:

Pirates receive:
- Jesse Winker
- Chris Flexen
- Emerson Hancock

Mariners receive:
- Bryan Reynolds
- Ji Hwan Bae

I don't know much about Bae, but I'd do this in a heartbeat as I love Reynolds and it seems as if Bae has some potential.

I would not even hesitate. I think it would cost a lot more to be honest with you. I think Kelenic would have to be included if they still want him. If not, another top arm. I would throw in Toro just because.

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 30 | Run: 70 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Ji Hwan Bae 23 y/o 6'1" 185 Bats L Throws R
Bae originally agreed to sign with the Braves in 2017, but had the deal voided as part of Atlanta’s penalty for international signing violations. That allowed the Pirates to sign him for $1.2 million in the spring of 2018. Things haven’t always gone smoothly, as a conviction for assaulting his former girlfriend in Korea led to a 30-game suspension in 2019. He came back to hit .323 and win a batting title in his first taste of full-season ball and then after playing at the club’s alternate site, he jumped up to Double-A and performed well there, missing time due to a sprained knee, capping it off with a solid showing in the Arizona Fall League.

The two things that will carry Bae to the big leagues are his speed and his ability to make contact. He stole 28 bases between Altoona and the AFL last year and the Pirates have challenged him to use his close to top-of-the-scale speed to swipe 40 bags in 2022. Bae draws a good amount of walks and limits his strikeouts, putting the ball in play at a very high clip and letting his legs do the work. He’ll never be confused for a power hitter, but he has added strength and showed the ability to impact the ball more in 2021.

Originally a shortstop, Bae started seeing more time at second in 2019 and then played there almost exclusively for most of the 2021 season. The Pirates started folding in center field, both in the regular season and in the AFL, with the plan for him to get reps in both spots and a potential future role as a utility type.

 

[wazzu31]

@NWinAZ @wazzu31 @SeattleCoug

I was just reading Corey Brock's mailbag and he proposed this trade, curious what you guys think:

Pirates receive:
- Jesse Winker
- Chris Flexen
- Emerson Hancock

Mariners receive:
- Bryan Reynolds
- Ji Hwan Bae

I don't know much about Bae, but I'd do this in a heartbeat as I love Reynolds and it seems as if Bae has some potential.

From the looks of it (don’t know who Bae even is) I’d say yeah for sure. Though I’d love to see that as option K as opposed to A-J. Reynolds is someone I think we hyped up so much as wanting him last year and if you want my personal opinion I think he underperformed for Flexen and Hancock. He is obviously an upgrade over what they have but would rather Kelenic, White or Lewis in a deal over Hancock at the moment, especially if they are dealing Flexen.

To me, the first move they need to do is figure out Boyd then go from there. Number 5 and 6 starters are kind of important if you don’t resign Boyd and deal Flexen and Hancock. 100% cool with them dealing Hancock but I’d rather a guy like Reynolds be the third bat they get. My pipe dream is still Judge and either Turner or Boegarts, then they can make a deal where they aren’t desperate as opposed to now where they are desperate for any offense. Now is the time to do the whole 2 $40 million a year guys if they front load it because of how creative Julio and Castillo contracts were worked out from all of the reports.

 

[NWinAZ]

From the looks of it (don’t know who Bae even is) I’d say yeah for sure. Though I’d love to see that as option K as opposed to A-J. Reynolds is someone I think we hyped up so much as wanting him last year and if you want my personal opinion I think he underperformed for Flexen and Hancock. He is obviously an upgrade over what they have but would rather Kelenic, White or Lewis in a deal over Hancock at the moment, especially if they are dealing Flexen.

To me, the first move they need to do is figure out Boyd then go from there. Number 5 and 6 starters are kind of important if you don’t resign Boyd and deal Flexen and Hancock. 100% cool with them dealing Hancock but I’d rather a guy like Reynolds be the third bat they get. My pipe dream is still Judge and either Turner or Boegarts, then they can make a deal where they aren’t desperate as opposed to now where they are desperate for any offense. Now is the time to do the whole 2 $40 million a year guys if they front load it because of how creative Julio and Castillo contracts were worked out from all of the reports.

I think Reynolds is more expensive than you think. 27 with 3 years of control playing Top 20 OF ball on a bad team with little protection. I agree I always prefer signing ver trading, but you have less control over signing as our history has shown us. I still like Nimmo though I was pretty surprised to see he only had 3 steals on the year. I think Judge is a 1% chance and that is probably being optimistic. His playoff run has me concerned.

A Mets combo of Nimmo (FA) and McNeil (Trade) wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. Then add that stud SS and I could sleep a lot better next year.

 

[NWinAZ]

either Turner or Boegarts

Why not both? I read somewhere that Boegarts could change positions as he has before when with Red Sox. Turner at SS and Boegarts at 2B sounds good to me. This whole Crawford thing is just too much. Deal his butt to a SS needy team that doesn't need his bat works for me. I know it would never happen, but you are right that we have the money to add the two and have enough trade capitol to feel some other spots.

 

[NWinAZ]

Just wanted to give an ump credit for once.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I would not even hesitate. I think it would cost a lot more to be honest with you. I think Kelenic would have to be included if they still want him. If not, another top arm. I would throw in Toro just because.

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 30 | Run: 70 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Ji Hwan Bae 23 y/o 6'1" 185 Bats L Throws R
Bae originally agreed to sign with the Braves in 2017, but had the deal voided as part of Atlanta’s penalty for international signing violations. That allowed the Pirates to sign him for $1.2 million in the spring of 2018. Things haven’t always gone smoothly, as a conviction for assaulting his former girlfriend in Korea led to a 30-game suspension in 2019. He came back to hit .323 and win a batting title in his first taste of full-season ball and then after playing at the club’s alternate site, he jumped up to Double-A and performed well there, missing time due to a sprained knee, capping it off with a solid showing in the Arizona Fall League.

The two things that will carry Bae to the big leagues are his speed and his ability to make contact. He stole 28 bases between Altoona and the AFL last year and the Pirates have challenged him to use his close to top-of-the-scale speed to swipe 40 bags in 2022. Bae draws a good amount of walks and limits his strikeouts, putting the ball in play at a very high clip and letting his legs do the work. He’ll never be confused for a power hitter, but he has added strength and showed the ability to impact the ball more in 2021.

Originally a shortstop, Bae started seeing more time at second in 2019 and then played there almost exclusively for most of the 2021 season. The Pirates started folding in center field, both in the regular season and in the AFL, with the plan for him to get reps in both spots and a potential future role as a utility type.

100% agree with you.

I mostly posed the question because it sounded so lopsided I was wondering if any of you guys could convince me that's a reasonable return for the Pirates. I respect the author's writing a lot so I was surprised he even proposed it. I don't see why the Pirates would even want Winker unless we ate the entire contract and they thought they could flip him at the deadline.

 

[NWinAZ]

100% agree with you.

I mostly posed the question because it sounded so lopsided I was wondering if any of you guys could convince me that's a reasonable return for the Pirates. I respect the author's writing a lot so I was surprised he even proposed it. I don't see why the Pirates would even want Winker unless we ate the entire contract and they thought they could flip him at the deadline.

I went back and read articles on trade rumors during the deadline and the Marlins and Yankees pushed hard for him but the asking price (which wasn't mentioned) was said to be extreme that nobody could touch it. He is cheap, talented, and young so need need for them to take less than asking. I still like Garcia from Texas which I mentioned before. Perfect fit here. I like Nimmo and McNeil as mentioned above as well. Should be fun offseason...until we all get disappointed again...lol.

 

[seahawksfan234]

From the looks of it (don’t know who Bae even is) I’d say yeah for sure. Though I’d love to see that as option K as opposed to A-J. Reynolds is someone I think we hyped up so much as wanting him last year and if you want my personal opinion I think he underperformed for Flexen and Hancock. He is obviously an upgrade over what they have but would rather Kelenic, White or Lewis in a deal over Hancock at the moment, especially if they are dealing Flexen.

To me, the first move they need to do is figure out Boyd then go from there. Number 5 and 6 starters are kind of important if you don’t resign Boyd and deal Flexen and Hancock. 100% cool with them dealing Hancock but I’d rather a guy like Reynolds be the third bat they get. My pipe dream is still Judge and either Turner or Boegarts, then they can make a deal where they aren’t desperate as opposed to now where they are desperate for any offense. Now is the time to do the whole 2 $40 million a year guys if they front load it because of how creative Julio and Castillo contracts were worked out from all of the reports.

Flexen is expendable and likely will be traded. Reynolds didn't have the year he did in 2019 or 2021 and was objectively awful in 2020 so his value has declined a bit, but I would still trade Flexen and Hancock for him and I'd even throw in Lewis, White or even Kelenic. I'm still sour on Kelenic but I just keep seeing so many people who know what they're talking about urging the Mariners not to give up on him.

Ironically my bigger concern is that Bryan Reynolds - just like many other hitters - will find a new low once he comes to Seattle.

Between Turner or Boegarts, I'd rather have Boegarts. One of the biggest parts of Turner's game is his speed, and we've seen how quickly that can depreciate. I'd be thrilled with either one though.

Judge is a pipe dream I think. Also he does come with some risk. He's 30 years old, coming off the best year of his life and has had injury problems his entire career.

All this being said, I wouldn't be upset if any of the players mentioned were in a Mariners uniform next year. Although I'm sure we'll spend the next 4 months arguing over all of them and not land a single one, lol.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I went back and read articles on trade rumors during the deadline and the Marlins and Yankees pushed hard for him but the asking price (which wasn't mentioned) was said to be extreme that nobody could touch it. He is cheap, talented, and young so need need for them to take less than asking. I still like Garcia from Texas which I mentioned before. Perfect fit here. I like Nimmo and McNeil as mentioned above as well. Should be fun offseason...until we all get disappointed again...lol.

Last offseason - or trade deadline - I remember the Pirates were asking for Julio, so Winker, Hancock and Flexen probably wouldn't cut it lol.

 

[ulmax]

From the looks of it (don’t know who Bae even is) I’d say yeah for sure. Though I’d love to see that as option K as opposed to A-J. Reynolds is someone I think we hyped up so much as wanting him last year and if you want my personal opinion I think he underperformed for Flexen and Hancock. He is obviously an upgrade over what they have but would rather Kelenic, White or Lewis in a deal over Hancock at the moment, especially if they are dealing Flexen.

To me, the first move they need to do is figure out Boyd then go from there. Number 5 and 6 starters are kind of important if you don’t resign Boyd and deal Flexen and Hancock. 100% cool with them dealing Hancock but I’d rather a guy like Reynolds be the third bat they get. My pipe dream is still Judge and either Turner or Boegarts, then they can make a deal where they aren’t desperate as opposed to now where they are desperate for any offense. Now is the time to do the whole 2 $40 million a year guys if they front load it because of how creative Julio and Castillo contracts were worked out from all of the reports.

Yeah but the thing is..pitt wants ace..
Hancock..is that..
They would not be able to say no..

They have been so long without one..
I don't...know if they would know what to do....

From there point of view...you get
quality..for quality..
Reynolds is big quality...
So is hancock..

 

[NWinAZ]

Flexen is expendable and likely will be traded. Reynolds didn't have the year he did in 2019 or 2021 and was objectively awful in 2020 so his value has declined a bit, but I would still trade Flexen and Hancock for him and I'd even throw in Lewis, White or even Kelenic. I'm still sour on Kelenic but I just keep seeing so many people who know what they're talking about urging the Mariners not to give up on him.

Flexen and/or Marco are gone. I really doubt we can get a starting position of value back for either in a 1 for 1 deal. You packed deal makes sense and is in line for what I said. As far as Reynolds, he did have a down year last year but was still 19th in WAR for all OF's. Not bad for an off year.He also dealt with an oblique injury for a bit. I have no issue losing any of those players.

Ironically my bigger concern is that Bryan Reynolds - just like many other hitters - will find a new low once he comes to Seattle.

Ya I always say to myself that you need to take any incoming hitter and take 75% of his stats when coming to Seattle. Not sure why, but it is a fact.

Between Turner or Boegarts, I'd rather have Boegarts. One of the biggest parts of Turner's game is his speed, and we've seen how quickly that can depreciate. I'd be thrilled with either one though.

Ya I am dancing for either deal.

Judge is a pipe dream I think. Also he does come with some risk. He's 30 years old, coming off the best year of his life and has had injury problems his entire career.

Ya I am not as excited over getting him. I wouldn't cry, but would prefer more good bats than just one big bat like his.

Last offseason - or trade deadline - I remember the Pirates were asking for Julio, so Winker, Hancock and Flexen probably wouldn't cut it lol.

Exactly.

 

[ulmax]

Plus Pitts whole team is full of
1st 2nd year guys.

Bea is good.as they are...

 

[NWinAZ]

Yeah but the thing is..pitt wants ace..
Hancock..is that..
They would not be able to say no..

They have been so long without one..
I don't...know if they would know what to do....

From there point of view...you get
quality..for quality..
Reynolds is big quality...
So is hancock..

Hancock has talent, but Ace at this stage is a huge stretch right now. If he was an Ace, we would keep him and deal others. Nice problem to have though.

 

[ulmax]

Flexen and/or Marco are gone. I really doubt we can get a starting position of value back for either in a 1 for 1 deal. You packed deal makes sense and is in line for what I said. As far as Reynolds, he did have a down year last year but was still 19th in WAR for all OF's. Not bad for an off year.He also dealt with an oblique injury for a bit. I have no issue losing any of those players.


Ya I always say to myself that you need to take any incoming hitter and take 75% of his stats when coming to Seattle. Not sure why, but it is a fact.


Ya I am dancing for either deal.


Ya I am not as excited over getting him. I wouldn't cry, but would prefer more good bats than just one big bat like his.


Exactly.

Last I heard..sent to minors...but they
can trade guys..they just recommend
Not saying anything..tell after the searies is over

 

[NWinAZ]

People need to remember Hancock has only pitched in 66 games total which is minors and 3 years of college. Nobody knows what this guy is at this point and I have no problem letting another team find out. But other teams know this so opinions may vary greatly on his trade value.

 

[ulmax]

Flexen is expendable and likely will be traded. Reynolds didn't have the year he did in 2019 or 2021 and was objectively awful in 2020 so his value has declined a bit, but I would still trade Flexen and Hancock for him and I'd even throw in Lewis, White or even Kelenic. I'm still sour on Kelenic but I just keep seeing so many people who know what they're talking about urging the Mariners not to give up on him.

Ironically my bigger concern is that Bryan Reynolds - just like many other hitters - will find a new low once he comes to Seattle.

Between Turner or Boegarts, I'd rather have Boegarts. One of the biggest parts of Turner's game is his speed, and we've seen how quickly that can depreciate. I'd be thrilled with either one though.

Judge is a pipe dream I think. Also he does come with some risk. He's 30 years old, coming off the best year of his life and has had injury problems his entire career.

All this being said, I wouldn't be upset if any of the players mentioned were in a Mariners uniform next year. Although I'm sure we'll spend the next 4 months arguing over all of them and not land a single one, lol.

Yeah kelenic is still young.....but ya don't
Stop..building..the team...ya keep going
And if someone is injured ..then he comes in....but ya don't throw him away
Either.....he comes when he comes..
But ya cant wait..till....

Ok...christmas....or
Keep a spot open for him..

..he has to earn

that.


Or be the best guy available..

 

[ulmax]

Flexen is expendable and likely will be traded. Reynolds didn't have the year he did in 2019 or 2021 and was objectively awful in 2020 so his value has declined a bit, but I would still trade Flexen and Hancock for him and I'd even throw in Lewis, White or even Kelenic. I'm still sour on Kelenic but I just keep seeing so many people who know what they're talking about urging the Mariners not to give up on him.

Ironically my bigger concern is that Bryan Reynolds - just like many other hitters - will find a new low once he comes to Seattle.

Between Turner or Boegarts, I'd rather have Boegarts. One of the biggest parts of Turner's game is his speed, and we've seen how quickly that can depreciate. I'd be thrilled with either one though.

Judge is a pipe dream I think. Also he does come with some risk. He's 30 years old, coming off the best year of his life and has had injury problems his entire career.

All this being said, I wouldn't be upset if any of the players mentioned were in a Mariners uniform next year. Although I'm sure we'll spend the next 4 months arguing over all of them and not land a single one, lol.

Yeah kelenic is still young.....but ya don't
Stop..building..the team...ya keep going
And if someone is injured ..then he comes in....but ya don't throw him away
Either.....he comes when he comes..
But ya cany wait..till....

Ok...christmas...

 

[seahawksfan234]

Flexen and/or Marco are gone. I really doubt we can get a starting position of value back for either in a 1 for 1 deal. You packed deal makes sense and is in line for what I said. As far as Reynolds, he did have a down year last year but was still 19th in WAR for all OF's. Not bad for an off year.He also dealt with an oblique injury for a bit. I have no issue losing any of those players.


Ya I always say to myself that you need to take any incoming hitter and take 75% of his stats when coming to Seattle. Not sure why, but it is a fact.


Ya I am dancing for either deal.


Ya I am not as excited over getting him. I wouldn't cry, but would prefer more good bats than just one big bat like his.


Exactly.

Idk why but I can't see the Mariners trading Marco. Flexen I definitely see being dealt to a contending team in need of starting pitching.

I don't know what it is but most hitters struggle coming here. I still have absolutely no explanation for the season that Winker had.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[ulmax]

It's the whole makeup of the team.
In the athletics trade..(news artical)
Pitt needs pitching..in a bad way..
Going forward.
Gonzales..and flexxen are not bad pitchers....
On the contrary..they are not the quality
of
castilo...well no..
Ray....cye young...well no
gilbert...yeah...umm. no..

Kerby..maybe even better..than gilbert..
Yeah..no right..

But they are good pitchers..

 

[NWinAZ]

Idk why but I can't see the Mariners trading Marco. Flexen I definitely see being dealt to a contending team in need of starting pitching.

I don't know what it is but most hitters struggle coming here. I still have absolutely no explanation for the season that Winker had.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

I don't either in regards to Marco UNLESS he got his feelings hurt and demands a trade for not being on the playoff roster. Doubt that happened though.

No clue wit Winker. Dipoto says injuries zapped his power and Servais says he was down from struggling. I say he looked shitty. No bad luck. No year long injury. Just shitty.