NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[shopson67]

A. LeBron didnt leave at hte first opportunity

B. Dirk didnt leave at the first opportunity

C. Durant didnt leave at the first opportunity

D. Kyrie didnt leave at the first opportunity

E. Davis didnt leave at the first opportunity

F. Kawhi didnt leave at the first opportunity

basically no one leaves at the first opportunity. Maybe by their THIRD contract. But that is usually 7-8 years- which is only be extended by the new built in advantages of the hometown super max

if you really think that the Knicks have a better chance to win a title before the Cavs you are hopeless. You must really think management means less than market - which is insanity in the modern NBA.

Teams full of young players rarely win titles. Suns didn't reach the finals until they added CP3, Bucks until they added Jrue, etc. Teams don't win without veteran leadership in the NBA.

 

[shopson67]

I mean, the only time in Lakers history that it looked like it wouldnt happen again was when Short Buss was running things. They got rid of him and got Lebron, followed by AD.

....and even if they didn't get Lebron and AD, they amassed young talent that would now be blossoming into a strong young team looking for a veteran leader to become serious contenders. Even the Short Buss era was not without fruit.

 

[shopson67]

with Lebron. He's not in the picture for this discussion. Pay attention. You really need to write down what we're talking about my friend...it's basically how soon can the Lakers get back to being a title contender without Lebron.....and why you seem to think sooner rather than later based on what you've seen of their management team that is not Lebron related (so no Lebron or AD).

Lebron got AD to LA. AD will get the next big FA to LA. It's a self-fulfilling loop. The gap the Lakers had previously was due to Stern, Kobe's achilles and soft-headed Dwight. Kobe's injuries cut him short, Stern negated the Lakers trade for CP3, and Dwight proved to be a buffoon. Otherwise, CP3 would've carried the Lakers after Kobe's retirement into the next era. That unfortunate trio of events created that gap, much like Magic's early retirement caused the last one.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Give me Olave if they want to go WR in round 1 but that should pick should really be a QB. I won't be too mad if they go WR but man if the go anything else then I'll be livid. That pick must be QB or WR

Unless it’s Pickett, I don’t think there is any other QB worthy of a round 1 grade. The Liberty kid might be worth a flier but no earlier than the back 1/3 of round 1. This may be the year to draft that WR round 1. How is your OL depth?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Matt Corral or the kid from Pitt but QB’s always climb on the boards and this one seems relatively weak at QB but I like those two kids

I’m late to the party on Corral. He’s a prospect that I didn’t get a chance to watch much. Ole Miss really wasn’t on my game watching plan early in the season. Then a lot of hype started to surround Corral and the way he was playing so I started to check out Ole Miss more. And when I did Corral was meh. You can see the talent but inconsistent. Had a quick propensity to tuck and run if the first read wasn’t there. To be fair though, I also read that as soon as I started checking in and watching it also coincided with a lot of injury rumblings existing for him and that could explain the spotty play I saw from him. Like I said in an earlier post, Pickett is the only QB this year that gets a true round 1 grade for me. Even there, I probably slot him mid round 1. But because he’s the only game in town, he’s going to shoot up to top 5.

 

[bksballer89]

Unless it’s Pickett, I don’t think there is any other QB worthy of a round 1 grade. The Liberty kid might be worth a flier but no earlier than the back 1/3 of round 1. This may be the year to draft that WR round 1. How is your OL depth?

When healthy they have one of the best lines in football. No need to waste a first round pick on another lineman. Most projections had them getting the liberty kid or the cincy qb

 

[tlance]

Lebron got AD to LA. AD will get the next big FA to LA. It's a self-fulfilling loop. The gap the Lakers had previously was due to Stern, Kobe's achilles and soft-headed Dwight. Kobe's injuries cut him short, Stern negated the Lakers trade for CP3, and Dwight proved to be a buffoon. Otherwise, CP3 would've carried the Lakers after Kobe's retirement into the next era. That unfortunate trio of events created that gap, much like Magic's early retirement caused the last one.

For heaven sakes man.

It was not due to Stern.

Get over it.

Honestly repeatedly bringing that up is as bad as @HurricaneDij39 acting like the Pacers got a ring stolen from them in the Malice at the Palace fallout.

 

[shopson67]

For heaven sakes man.

It was not due to Stern.

Get over it.

Honestly repeatedly bringing that up is as bad as @HurricaneDij39 acting like the Pacers got a ring stolen from them in the Malice at the Palace fallout.

Stern gave in under pressure from other owners to kill the CP3 trade. Why install a GM for the Hornets if you aren't going to let him act as one?

Whether you like it or not, that is the key reason for the Lakers slide in Kobe's later years and beyond. With CP3, they don't have that long playoff drought.

 

[dtgold88]

Should have called Drew and Rivers when Jameis first went down and maybe this season ends differentl

I can agree...though possible they did and were turned down.

 

[dtgold88]

honestly i feel much the same way against the Browns. They had a tough schedule. A lot of problems. Baker tore his labrum and then fractured his shoulder and has been playing the whole time. The line had multiple injuries and covid absences.

This is a team not long past 1-31. Im not going to freak out after going two steps forward and 1 step back.

Browns added a ton of good young guys to the defense, and locked up Bitonio and Teller- the best guard combo in the league long term.

0/6 in last possession games and a couple absolute robberies by the refs. They will be back.

Browns really only need a WR- and more competent QB play. Baker took some lumps and played through some injuries. He will be back and so will the Browns.

difference between this year and last really is those close games. Won them last year and not this year. Schedule was lighter last year, sure, but did beat at least 3 playoff teams and won a playoff game. Just impossible to really know how much the injury is affecting him.

No doubt could be considering better options.

 

[dtgold88]

Browns need a WR just as bad. I would def. take Wilson or Olave off the Bucks.

Browns really only need DL or WR for the most part. I love the Browns d-backfield as long as they are mostly healthy

Ward/Newsome is a great 1, 2. Greedy and Hill solid depth. Johnson, Harrison, Delpit at safety.

might be time to send Austin Hooper packing at TE. The money saved between him and OBJ will be nice.

not sure if they want to give Tretter 10M next year- but he has been solid- not great- and is a great leader, and always plays. Thats one of their toughest decisions if you ask me.

Pretty sure very little money saved to move on from Hooper in the offseason, otherwise I agree.....and, yes, a true #1 WR would help.

 

[dtgold88]

Lebron got AD to LA. AD will get the next big FA to LA. It's a self-fulfilling loop. The gap the Lakers had previously was due to Stern, Kobe's achilles and soft-headed Dwight. Kobe's injuries cut him short, Stern negated the Lakers trade for CP3, and Dwight proved to be a buffoon. Otherwise, CP3 would've carried the Lakers after Kobe's retirement into the next era. That unfortunate trio of events created that gap, much like Magic's early retirement caused the last one.

Not so sure about that (the AD aspect). You think playing with him is the best option for a guy who is elite coming off his second deal? AD is already breaking down or at best misses a ton of games....it's gonna be better in a couple years?

 

[Wamu]

I can agree...though possible they did and were turned down.

An article.

Why Drew Brees turned down Saints' reported offer to come out of retirement for week 16 (from sportingnews)

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lebron got AD to LA. AD will get the next big FA to LA. It's a self-fulfilling loop. The gap the Lakers had previously was due to Stern, Kobe's achilles and soft-headed Dwight. Kobe's injuries cut him short, Stern negated the Lakers trade for CP3, and Dwight proved to be a buffoon. Otherwise, CP3 would've carried the Lakers after Kobe's retirement into the next era. That unfortunate trio of events created that gap, much like Magic's early retirement caused the last one.

I think LeBron's fading a little bit.

maybe the year after this year- when the Lakers have some cap room, he can get someone. Problem is....Between THT, RW, and LeBron- they only have like 23 million in cap room--- even if its just those 3 on the roster. and a 38 year old LeBron....if he chooses to come back even.

this summer lakers really cant do much of anything

the next summer is going to be bonkers with James an FA, some (some) potential cap room, etc. etc.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Browns need a WR just as bad. I would def. take Wilson or Olave off the Bucks.

Browns really only need DL or WR for the most part. I love the Browns d-backfield as long as they are mostly healthy

Ward/Newsome is a great 1, 2. Greedy and Hill solid depth. Johnson, Harrison, Delpit at safety.

might be time to send Austin Hooper packing at TE. The money saved between him and OBJ will be nice.

not sure if they want to give Tretter 10M next year- but he has been solid- not great- and is a great leader, and always plays. Thats one of their toughest decisions if you ask me.

After Ruggs fucked up we need a #1 WR and then Waller got hurt.....our offense has been trash since those 2 things happened.

Not to mention our OL was mysteriously rebuilt in the offseason to save $.

 

[DJ Fieri]

All the mock drafts I looked at basically got the Saints going QB in round 1 which makes me happy

This draft sucks for QB's.....what happened to Winston being the godsend? He should be healthy next season, right?

LOL.

 

[bksballer89]

This draft sucks for QB's.....what happened to Winston being the godsend? He should be healthy next season, right?

LOL.

I never said he was a godsend and he still will be the QB next season even if they draft a QB. No issue with drafting a QB and sitting him for a season or two. A lot of these teams now rush to start their rookie QB when it was probably best that they sit out the entire season and learn.

Also, quit putting words in my mouth. My message about Winston was consistent

1) He would limit his turnovers.
2) He can stretch the field.

He did both things in his 6+ games as QB

 

[bksballer89]

All the breaks going the raiders way. Now wentz with covid

 

[tlance]

Stern gave in under pressure from other owners to kill the CP3 trade. Why install a GM for the Hornets if you aren't going to let him act as one?

Whether you like it or not, that is the key reason for the Lakers slide in Kobe's later years and beyond. With CP3, they don't have that long playoff drought.

Why bring it up 3-4 times a year when it happened 10 years ago and was the direct result of unprecedented conflict of interest with the league controlling one of its teams?

 

[tlance]

I never said he was a godsend and he still will be the QB next season even if they draft a QB. No issue with drafting a QB and sitting him for a season or two. A lot of these teams now rush to start their rookie QB when it was probably best that they sit out the entire season and learn.

Also, quit putting words in my mouth. My message about Winston was consistent

1) He would limit his turnovers.
2) He can stretch the field.

He did both things in his 6+ games as QB

What you said was that he would play well enough for the Saints to win games.

That was in fact happening.