NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[dtgold88]

I said this last week or the week before, but if I’m the Cavs I’m not looking to deal right now unless they can get a young piece from a contender for Rubio. They don’t have to sell out to contend. Their time is in the future. I would use the full year and a playoff appearance to assess exactly what they have before parting with any of their young pieces. Although, if it’s the case of the Sixers giving him away, maybe it doesn’t hurt if they can cajole the Sixers to take Love’s 30 million off the books

sexton injury a killer (unless maybe he could play in playoffs) as hard to know what we can be with him....and also harder to deal him as a RFA AND coming off a major injury.

 

[dtgold88]

The hard part is what to do with Sexton?

As soon as these guys get their RFA contracts it becomes a lot harder to add talent around them.

Not sure how much this affects the Cavs as will be right at the cap even without Sexton's deal. Guessing they also at least make a play to keep Rubio (unless they deal him), and if they deal him might take cash back in the deal. Not like star FAs are coming here. Pretty sure if this team goes anywhere will be with the guys they have or trades of someone not named Garland, Mobley or Allen (and, hell, they could be had if overwhelmed....OK, maybe not Mobley).

 

[shopson67]

lol

Was the OP one of the top 5 basketball players in the world with millions of followers?

KD going at some kid on a post that some nobody put up and you and @bksballer89 think that makes it okay...

How many kids get direct guidance from NBA players? Usually you have to pay through the nose for that kind of advice lol.

Kid was trying and1 crap during a game to show up his opponent; I'm not going to cry for him.

 

[dtgold88]

Good point. If I’m Cavs im looking at Garland or Sexton and I think Garland is the better player. Sexton can be done in two ways - deal now and get something instead of overpaying him - or the one I would pick (because it ain’t my money ha!) is wait until Sexton is ready for his deal and do a sign and trade for another piece that helps the Cavs get above the cap and flirt with the luxury level. They’re small market but they’ve gone into the luxury level before.

as stated in previous comment (and you kind of alluded) not sure how much his deal matters as up against cap even without him and not like a stud FA is coming here. A 1 year deal might be the best option for both parties, though in that scenario the Cavs risk losing him for nothing.

 

[shopson67]

I need a medical professional to tell me how a running back can return 5 months after tearing his Achilles but in the NBA that same injury will keep you out for at least 9 months

He's not back yet, just activated off the IR in the hopes that he can contribute in the playoffs.

 

[dtgold88]

I have to wonder how much Garland would be impacted if Sexton were playing this year.

I'd be curious....Scoring would come down, sure. But sexton on the court would also stop teams from swarming garland as good teams had done to him (when not ravaged by Covid).

Did like him even more with Rubio as meant he could always stay at SG in the game with Garland or Rubio running the point. Still not ideal due to size but D was starting to play very well before he went down.

 

[trojanfan12]

How many kids get direct guidance from NBA players? Usually you have to pay through the nose for that kind of advice lol.

Kid was trying and1 crap during a game to show up his opponent; I'm not going to cry for him.

I'm not crying for the kid so much as wondering wtf KD is even doing bothering commenting on some random 8th grader. Especially considering that KD is such a pussy that he made a fake account to try to defend himself and so stupid that he got caught because he got so upset that his dumbass forgot to log out of it.

 

[dtgold88]

That would be a Dan Snyder move.

Give up picks + young talent and then watch the QB you gave the moon for go to prison.

I hear ya....have to think anyone dealing for him has an idea what is in store (prison, suspension, etc).

 

[dtgold88]

I might be naive but i still believe in Baker. I think having a torn labrum, fractured soldier, and a ton of injured lineman effects a guy....

BUT

Albert Breer said he thought hte Browns might be interested. I would prob. offer 2 first rounders and Kareem Hunt, and maybe another decent/solid young player.

Browns have lost are 0/6 this year in 6 games that came down to the last possession. 2 of those were on egregiously filthy calls. Not gonna take a lot to flip that.

shit- if the Chiefs beat the Bengals and the Rams beat the Ravens next weekend- the Browns can still make the playoffs- which is mind boggingly.

No doubt what we need other than us winning is not hard to see happening at all. Can we win in Pittsburgh in Ben's last game?

as for your comment about Baker and injury, this was interesting (more about what Aikman as skip only said what aikman said)........

 

[tlance]

Not sure how much this affects the Cavs as will be right at the cap even without Sexton's deal. Guessing they also at least make a play to keep Rubio (unless they deal him), and if they deal him might take cash back in the deal. Not like star FAs are coming here. Pretty sure if this team goes anywhere will be with the guys they have or trades of someone not named Garland, Mobley or Allen (and, hell, they could be had if overwhelmed....OK, maybe not Mobley).

Short term it doesn’t.

But every time you pay somebody, it removes opportunities to go get a high quality role player who can help.

All of these guys (Garland, Secton, Mobley) are likely to command max deals (or real close) when their time comes.

Won’t be too long before their only avenue to add talent will be traded and MLEs.

 

[tlance]

I hear ya....have to think anyone dealing for him has an idea what is in store (prison, suspension, etc).

Never underestimate the incompetence of Daniel Snyder as an owner.

 

[dtgold88]

You missed the opportunity to win big with the Mayfield window if they can’t win a Super Bowl. Mayfield is a plus option when he’s on a cheaper rookie deal. That means you can spend more on the rest of the roster. Mayfield is a top 15-20 QB. That’s not good enough unless he’s surrounded by a loaded roster.

something to be said for this....unless he really was hampered by the injury. In addition, Baker's deal would be way higher in 2023, and cap could explode that season.

 

[dtgold88]

Haskins was a disaster.

I told you guys he had no chance to be a decent NFL starter when he was drafted.

Don’t know enough about Pickett yet, but at this stage he seems like a much better prospect than Haskins was and therefor might require a trade up to the top of the draft to land.

And that is a tough sell for me.

Because of what you said earlier (QBs who are loved go high in draft) it's pretty easy to just say any QB drafted where Haskins was wont succeed (sure...some exceptions).

 

[shopson67]

Too many crucial calls are being missed in the secondary. They need to fix this especially with DPI being a spot penalty. Can't have the offense getting a free 40 or 50 yards on some bogus DPI. Also cant have refs missing easy calls at the end of game that decides who win or lose. It just not right

I'm not going to cry about defensive pass interference no-calls until offensive pass interference becomes a more common call. So many pass plays these days are borderline at best due to pick plays. Receivers run straight into stationary defenders and push off to cut (especially TEs). Every rule change benefits the offense. QBs might was well be in bubble-wrap (well, most of them; the bigger guys like Cam and Josh aren't as well-protected). Commentators were complaining about a defender trying to hold up a QB on the sideline this weekend, wanting the roughing call. Then you have the rugby scrums that allow the OL to push a RB for larger gains (when did that become legal?); it's getting ridiculous.

 

[tlance]

I'd be curious....Scoring would come down, sure. But sexton on the court would also stop teams from swarming garland as good teams had done to him (when not ravaged by Covid).

Did like him even more with Rubio as meant he could always stay at SG in the game with Garland or Rubio running the point. Still not ideal due to size but D was starting to play very well before he went down.

It is interesting to me that the fit between the 2 guards has always been questioned.

Now the team is playing very well without Sexton.

I would be rooting for a trade over an extension if I were a Cavs fan.

 

[shopson67]

Made the same comment yesterday. Game script dictated that the Browns didn’t have to get pass happy. They likely needed another 25 yards with about 1:30 left and 3 time outs. Man…feed Chubb Stefanski.

It doesn't help that Chubb begs out after 3 consecutive plays every time. But they telegraph their intentions by bringing in Johnson on passing downs; Chubb is capable.

 

[trojanfan12]

Then you have the rugby scrums that allow the OL to push a RB for larger gains (when did that become legal?); it's getting ridiculous.

Bush Push game. lol

 

[tlance]

Because of what you said earlier (QBs who are loved go high in draft) it's pretty easy to just say any QB drafted where Haskins was wont succeed (sure...some exceptions).

Sure. You can say that.

But I also took a lot of crap from you and others when I said that.

Because my stance is based on more than just a wild guess.

 

[dtgold88]

Short term it doesn’t.

But every time you pay somebody, it removes opportunities to go get a high quality role player who can help.

All of these guys (Garland, Secton, Mobley) are likely to command max deals (or real close) when their time comes.

Won’t be too long before their only avenue to add talent will be traded and MLEs.

why would the cavs prefer a high quality role player to Sexton? Can pretty much assume their only avenue will soon be trade or MLE (as I said in my comment) regardless of what they do with Sexton.

 

[shopson67]

I think Baker is a franchise QB. He just isn't a Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Prime Roethlisberger level franchise QB. The problem. imo, is that the Browns seem to try to game plan as if he is. Hence, they will call plays that you might call when you have a QB on their level.

The Browns were running the ball down the Packers throats. Maybe if you have one of those QB's, you take a shot or 2 in the passing game. Not the best idea with a QB at Bakers level. Seems that if they stuck to the run more, they likely win yesterday.

Also, it's not that you can never take those shots with Baker at QB, he occasionally hits on those...you just have to be pickier about when you do it.

I wouldn't call him a franchise QB. He's a mediocre (average to below average) starting QB in the NFL IMO and you can win with him in the right circumstances, but investing a big contract in him seems wasteful. That word franchise is just too strong IMO. Would you use the franchise tag to keep him? Would you not pursue trades or draft picks to upgrade at the position?