Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[The Q]

Yep. If nothing else, with that cleared cap space and picks that have some value, they could go after FA's in the off-season. Heck, they might even be able to make trade during the season near the trade deadline when some teams might be looking to start a re-build.

The biggest problem, imo, is that this has gotten personal between Ben and the team. That means egos are now involved and that's never a good thing.

It got personal the second doc and embiid opened their mouths after game 7. It was over then.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

It got personal the second doc and embiid opened their mouths after game 7. It was over then.

That certainly didn't help.

 

[trojanfan12]

It got personal the second doc and embiid opened their mouths after game 7. It was over then.

Maybe. I think that it could have been fixed if the Sixers FO had immediately backed Ben and told Doc to walk back his comments. At least then, they could have said it was "just Doc and Embiid's emotions getting the better of them after a tough loss" and may have had a chance at placating him so his trade value stayed closer to what they want.

But when the FO stayed quiet, that was seen a tacit agreement with Doc and Embiid's statements and when they came back later and tried to say something nice, it looked like exactly what it was...a desperate attempt to get some of his trade value back.

 

[Iggloo]

It was just one game against a bad Pelicans team, but Maxey had a good line: 20 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 turnover. He was 2/3 from the 3 point line and 57% from the field overall. And he made all his FTs!

He's nowhere near as good a defender, passer and ballhandler as Simmons, but the offense works fine with him and of course he can initiate offense way better than Simmons. I don't really think he is a starting point guard right now, he is ideally suited to be a sixth man, but he can hold it down.

If Ben and his representation think Philly is going to implode without Simmons, they are dead wrong. The team will likely have a solid record, even if it is not as good as last year's #1 seed regular season.

 

[thunderc]

They claimed to try and trade him and then asked for more than harden went for

Laughable

Borderline beyond bad faith

They asked for this as well. No one walked back their comments after the end of the year

Embiid continues to douse buckets of gasoline on the fire

Hopefully this ends in total disaster like the jimmy butler situation

No bad faith whatsoever.

 

[thunderc]

Maybe. I think that it could have been fixed if the Sixers FO had immediately backed Ben and told Doc to walk back his comments. At least then, they could have said it was "just Doc and Embiid's emotions getting the better of them after a tough loss" and may have had a chance at placating him so his trade value stayed closer to what they want.

But when the FO stayed quiet, that was seen a tacit agreement with Doc and Embiid's statements and when they came back later and tried to say something nice, it looked like exactly what it was...a desperate attempt to get some of his trade value back.

I think it’s ridiculous to say that anything the sixers did or didn’t do affected anything. Anyone that knows basketball at any level saw that series and they know Simmons is a completely broken player. To quote some greats, he just ain’t that damn good.

 

[The Q]

Maybe. I think that it could have been fixed if the Sixers FO had immediately backed Ben and told Doc to walk back his comments. At least then, they could have said it was "just Doc and Embiid's emotions getting the better of them after a tough loss" and may have had a chance at placating him so his trade value stayed closer to what they want.

But when the FO stayed quiet, that was seen a tacit agreement with Doc and Embiid's statements and when they came back later and tried to say something nice, it looked like exactly what it was...a desperate attempt to get some of his trade value back.

Agreed.

They totally mismanaged this. And thus, deserve this 3 ring circus.

Meanwhile, I’m grabbing popcorn and sliding steal chairs into the ring

 

[The Q]

I think it’s ridiculous to say that anything the sixers did or didn’t do affected anything. Anyone that knows basketball at any level saw that series and they know Simmons is a completely broken player. To quote some greats, he just ain’t that damn good.

Then they should be happy to get cj McCollum for him.

 

[thunderc]

Then they should be happy to get cj McCollum for him.

Lillard doesn’t want Simmons, I’d bet on that. That’s the thing no one is talking about. No one wants to play with this moron.

 

[flyerhawk]

You post this like the Sixers are in the driver's seat on this...they aren't. From the look of it, the longer this drags out, the worse the offers get. In fact, I'm not sure there are even offers being made at this point. I can't think of any legit trade rumors in the last couple of weeks or so. Just a bunch of speculation about what could happen, most of which are borderline ridiculous.

Other GM's are shrewd too and they aren't going to offer up much for someone who doesn't appear to want to play and even if he did, seems to have no interest in improving his game.

The one trade out there that both makes sense and gives the Sixers a return of relatively equal value would be Ben for Kyrie. But then you're just trading one problem child for another.

I wouldn't say the Sixers are in the driver's seat per se. As it stands, Simmons trade value is about as low as it can get. His image looks like complete trash and you have media personalities questioning his mental health. So the Sixers have no leverage when it comes to other teams. All they can do is hold onto Simmons and hope that his value improves.

OTOH, the Sixers have leverage with Simmons. Simmons doesn't realize that yet but he will. Morey will sooner put Simmons on ice for the entire year than dump him for loose change.

 

[flyerhawk]

Maybe not this year, but they can clear cap space for next year by trading for future firsts and expiring deals. It would suck for this year, but unless something changes dramatically with Ben, not sure what they expect to be able to do.

But even if they were to just wipe Simmons contract from the books, they would still be over the cap. So it's not like they can just sign someone to replace him.

Ultimately if that is what they want to do with Simmons, then they might as well wait until the offseason anyway.

 

[The Q]

I wouldn't say the Sixers are in the driver's seat per se. As it stands, Simmons trade value is about as low as it can get. His image looks like complete trash and you have media personalities questioning his mental health. So the Sixers have no leverage when it comes to other teams. All they can do is hold onto Simmons and hope that his value improves.

OTOH, the Sixers have leverage with Simmons. Simmons doesn't realize that yet but he will. Morey will sooner put Simmons on ice for the entire year than dump him for loose change.

Then he should do it already.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah it’s incredibly shortsighted to not understand that getting aloud of picks and cheap players wouldn’t make it easier to eventually land a beal or Lavine type

Getting a lot of picks and some cheap players may be the best option available to them. But it is pretty far from ideal for the Sixers. In order to land Beal or Lavine they would need to have contracts to trade for them in a sign and trade, which they don't really have unless they throw Tobias into the trade and then you are just robbing from Paul to give to Peter.

 

[The Q]

But even if they were to just wipe Simmons contract from the books, they would still be over the cap. So it's not like they can just sign someone to replace him.

Ultimately if that is what they want to do with Simmons, then they might as well wait until the offseason anyway.

The benefit of getting expiring contracts and picks now is also to stay below the tax line to be able to add a full mle guy this summer. You can’t do that if you wait til the offseason.

You still would have the bushel of picks to deal for the next disgruntled star as well.

 

[The Q]

Getting a lot of picks and some cheap players may be the best option available to them. But it is pretty far from ideal for the Sixers. In order to land Beal or Lavine they would need to have contracts to trade for them in a sign and trade, which they don't really have unless they throw Tobias into the trade and then you are just robbing from Paul to give to Peter.

Due to the salary cap…existing, you will have some contracts to take back, unless it’s okc, in whcih case they can almost absorb him entirely without it

But they aren’t buying yet

 

[flyerhawk]

Then he should do it already.

Why? If it starts to affect the team then sure. But that certainly didn't look to be the case last night.

As I said a month or so ago, if the Sixers come out of the gate 10-5 or something like that, Simmons is going to feel awfully lonely.

The cold hard truth is that, right now, teams are going to want to believe that Simmons actually gives a shit about playing basketball. If he's comfortable going to Cali and play NBA2K and cavorting with models, then no one is going to want him at almost any price.

 

[flyerhawk]

Due to the salary cap…existing, you will have some contracts to take back, unless it’s okc, in whcih case they can almost absorb him entirely without it

But they aren’t buying yet

I actually think that OKC should make a move for Simmons. They have a ton of assets and they need to start converting them into more useful stuff.

 

[The Q]

I actually think that OKC should make a move for Simmons. They have a ton of assets and they need to start converting them into more useful stuff.

I totally agree with you.

They…do not

 

[trojanfan12]

Why? If it starts to affect the team then sure. But that certainly didn't look to be the case last night.

I think the point would be to eliminate the chance that it can effect the team. If they wait until it effects the team, it mat already be too late for them to recover this season.

It seems fine now, but what happens when it's January or February and the coaches and players are starting to get tired of hearing about Simmons?

 

[The Q]

I think the point would be to eliminate the chance that it can effect the team. If they wait until it effects the team, it mat already be too late for them to recover this season.

It seems fine now, but what happens when it's January or February and the coaches and players are starting to get tired of hearing about Simmons?

Yup.

This.