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I'm not talking about a few wins. I'm talking about what we had in the 80s. I know that a pipe dream at this point, but if we put an 11-6/12-5 product on the field, no one would care.

2012 felt good. 99 felt good. 2015 felt good. The dysfunction was still there. I hate cancel culture, but im praying someone finds a smoking gun in those emails that gets Dan canceled.
 

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Glad the franchise decided to do this. Just a shame how his life ended. Helluva football player.

article- Sean Taylor to become third player in WTF franchise history to have his jersey number retired

I remember him at The U. When he got to the NFL I'd always watch any WFT games televised to to see him play. He was an all time favorite of mine in college & the NFL.
 

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Brucifer and Jeff Pash emails and relationship

 

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Seriously, aren’t cheer leaders hired for their looks? If this is the worst thing a person has ever said, they are not a bad person.
That’s statement alone, no biggie - agreed.

Linked in with exchanging topless shots, and all the other allegations of sexual misconduct, damning in laying foundation for toxic environment.
 

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There is a smoking gun those emails, otherwise they wouldn't have pulled this Sean Taylor thing. Goodell knows this too, but if those emails come out, not only Snyder, but im sure the league in general would have some serious explaining to do.

Those emails span over a long time. Might be some Kapernick black balling emails, and who knows what else.
 

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I 100% believe those emails put the NFL in a very bad light which is why they let Dan off with a hand slap. I think the NFL is going to try and do damage control on the front end instead of letting that info out. If the news media has some it now then it will all come to light.
 

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I 100% believe those emails put the NFL in a very bad light which is why they let Dan off with a hand slap. I think the NFL is going to try and do damage control on the front end instead of letting that info out. If the news media has some it now then it will all come to light.
That and the fact that Danny is a litigious SOB that would fight back in all kinds of unprecedented ways.

It’s a case of “ he who knows too much about too many”
 

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That’s statement alone, no biggie - agreed.

Linked in with exchanging topless shots, and all the other allegations of sexual misconduct, damning in laying foundation for toxic environment.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the topless shots. Were the women aware they had been photographed topless? Was Allen sharing these photos within the organization or was he sharing them with a friend?

What are the allegations of sexual misconduct?

What makes this a toxic work environment?

I am being serious. I don’t know any of these specifics. If the women knowingly and willfully had been photographed topless, is there anything wrong with passing these photos around? It sounds to me like adult behavior that many people partake in. If he was sharing it on company property, then the company should have the ability to hold him responsible. If it was done on his own property, then he was well within his rights. If Allen was using it for leverage over these women, then they have a right to go after him.
 

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I don’t know the ins and outs of the topless shots. Were the women aware they had been photographed topless? Was Allen sharing these photos within the organization or was he sharing them with a friend?

What are the allegations of sexual misconduct?

What makes this a toxic work environment?

I am being serious. I don’t know any of these specifics. If the women knowingly and willfully had been photographed topless, is there anything wrong with passing these photos around? It sounds to me like adult behavior that many people partake in. If he was sharing it on company property, then the company should have the ability to hold him responsible. If it was done on his own property, then he was well within his rights. If Allen was using it for leverage over these women, then they have a right to go after him.
You make some very valid points here.

I’ll do some additional research and see if I can accurately answer your specific questions.

I do know that SOME of the cheerleaders involved in the sexual misconduct/toxic work place alleged being forced to attend VIP parties and that they were pressured into certain types of photos at a calendar photo shoot that they were uncomfortable with, and that they felt threatened in terms of job security if they did not allow them.
 

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I don’t know the ins and outs of the topless shots. Were the women aware they had been photographed topless? Was Allen sharing these photos within the organization or was he sharing them with a friend?

What are the allegations of sexual misconduct?

What makes this a toxic work environment?

I am being serious. I don’t know any of these specifics. If the women knowingly and willfully had been photographed topless, is there anything wrong with passing these photos around? It sounds to me like adult behavior that many people partake in. If he was sharing it on company property, then the company should have the ability to hold him responsible. If it was done on his own property, then he was well within his rights. If Allen was using it for leverage over these women, then they have a right to go after him.
Here is the briefest summary of events I could find without linking multiple articles


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They recently reached a settlement with its former cheerleaders, who appeared in lewd videos made without their knowledge during swimsuit calendar photo shoots in 2008 and 2010.
 
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You make some very valid points here.

I’ll do some additional research and see if I can accurately answer your specific questions.

I do know that SOME of the cheerleaders involved in the sexual misconduct/toxic work place alleged being forced to attend VIP parties and that they were pressured into certain types of photos at a calendar photo shoot that they were uncomfortable with, and that they felt threatened in terms of job security if they did not allow them.

Is it wrong to mandate a paid employee show up for an organizational event or is that a term of employment? How can a person be forced into showing up?

Should an employer be able to make an employee take certain kinds of photos, and of they don’t, they don’t have a job? If not, then how can they restrict parts on actors who refuse to do nudity? That would make **** really difficult.

Now, let’s talk about differences. Would it be the same to ask the players to take photos they felt uncomfortable with? Not at all. The purpose of a player is rather obvious…it is to put asses in seats and merchandising…I bet you thought i was going to say play football. The players have a union and a protected contract that lays out terms of employment. Cheerleaders bring no tangible value to a franchise. They are basically brand ambassadors who are paid to promote the franchise. That means if the boss asks you to do something, you do it…or you quit.
 

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Here is the briefest summary of events I could find without linking multiple articles


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They recently reached a settlement with its former cheerleaders, who appeared in lewd videos made without their knowledge during swimsuit calendar photo shoots in 2008 and 2010.

If somebody made lewd videos of a person without their consent, then that individual should be held criminally and civilly liable. The cheerleaders should be aware of any pictures or filming if they had a reasonable assumption of privacy…just like every other person.

As for the 40 employees, what were their positions? Just like the players, executives and those on the business side of things have a different role in the organization than a cheerleader. If there were sexual advances or pressure placed on any of them than the individual should be held responsible.

Even the cheerleaders should not have to deal with sexual advances in the workplace.
 

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My :2cents: I am not an attorney, lol

Is it wrong to mandate a paid employee show up for an organizational event or is that a term of employment?
Depends on the event and what type of organization you are.

How can a person be forced into showing up?
Spoken or unspoken loss of job if you do not

Should an employer be able to make an employee take certain kinds of photos, and of they don’t, they don’t have a job? If not, then how can they restrict parts on actors who refuse to do nudity?

Depends on the job and photo

if they are in the **** industry, that comes with the territory and even that has limitations and specific contracts written regarding certain acts from what I understand

Cheerleaders bring no tangible value to a franchise. They are basically brand ambassadors who are paid to promote the franchise. That means if the boss asks you to do something, you do it…or you quit.

Guess its opinion what is considered "value". Is good will/ activities that give back to the local community valuable?

And sure, you can always quit. but why should you have to IF you are being asked to do/partake/accept something lewd or unsavory
 

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My :2cents: I am not an attorney, lol
Neither am I. I am asking for your opinion, not legalities.
Depends on the event and what type of organization you are.


Spoken or unspoken loss of job if you do not



Depends on the job and photo

if they are in the **** industry, that comes with the territory and even that has limitations and specific contracts written regarding certain acts from what I understand
Perhaps you are correct. Would the producer be wrong to ask if the person would go above and beyond? Would the actor be wrong to negotiate more money for the act?
Guess its opinion what is considered "value". Is good will/ activities that give back to the local community valuable?
I said “tangible value.” The organizations would lose very little if cheerleaders did not exist. The organizations would stand to lose more from advertisers and merchandising than the public. The cheerleader’s job is to look good, dance around in very little, and represent the franchise in public and at parties.
And sure, you can always quit. but why should you have to IF you are being asked to do/partake/accept something lewd or unsavory
I am not saying the normal job but cheerleaders are simply there to look good, be partially clad, or whatever else the job requires…short of prostitution.
 
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