Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[fightinfunbags]

They are a contender as long as they have a healthy Embiid. It's not like the rest of the roster is bereft of talent,

Disagree. If that were the case, the Sixers with Embiid would have made it out of the 2nd round by now.

 

[Mebert]

Here's my take on this. The Sixers can keep Ben Simmons...and exit in the 2nd round. They can deal Ben Simmons for 50 cents on the dollar...and exit in the 2nd round. The Sixers can run with what they have and let Simmons rot giving more minutes to guys like Maxey and Thybulle....and exit in the 2nd round. The only thing that changes that math is a deal for Beal or Dame. Ironically, it's the short window of Embiid as an elite player with injury history that means the Sixers can't afford to just give Simmons away.

Agree that unless they add a star to replace Simmons they will be stagnant. Hoping the Lillard or Beal change their mind about staying loyal is a massive gamble. Add in the 76ers are going to have to throw in extra at this point to get either of those as he has crippled his value. Best case by waiting is one of the 2 players you want change their mind, and the 76ers trade Simmons plus assets and make a minor improvement. Worst case, neither want out, Embiid gets fed up with inaction and also becomes discontent with the team. That is a huge gamble to take.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Agree that unless they add a star to replace Simmons they will be stagnant. Hoping the Lillard or Beal change their mind about staying loyal is a massive gamble. Add in the 76ers are going to have to throw in extra at this point to get either of those as he has crippled his value. Best case by waiting is one of the 2 players you want change their mind, and the 76ers trade Simmons plus assets and make a minor improvement. Worst case, neither want out, Embiid gets fed up with inaction and also becomes discontent with the team. That is a huge gamble to take.

I don't see the gamble. You'll always have the ability to undersell an asset. If what you say is true and the asset has lost value, where is the gamble? It's not getting any lower. ESPN's recent list had Simmons listed as the league's 28th best player. He's 25.

 

[Mebert]

I don't see the gamble. You'll always have the ability to undersell an asset. If what you say is true and the asset has lost value, where is the gamble? It's not getting any lower. ESPN's recent list had Simmons listed as the league's 28th best player. He's 25.

The devaluation is not from what he can do on the court, it's by him being unwilling to even show up. Simmons tanked his value in a temper tantrum, sucks for the sixers, but it is what it is. At his point the undersell on him is the ONLY option, all they are risking angering their best player with inaction.

I suppose if Lillard or Beal go full man baby like Simmons, instead of just asking for a trade they could lower their value the same amount. Other option is they request specifically to be traded to the sixers, and the teams do a straight-up swap to honor all they did for them. Most likely is if either asks for a trade they are still approaching the sixers from a stronger position.

 

[We Are Decent]

Jesus Christ I want this to be resolved so badly but I know at this point the trade deals are in complete favor of the opposing teams.

This is on the Sixers for presenting those abysmal trades during Draft week, now either no one wants him or they're going to give up little for him which is not what the Sixers need to improve.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Jesus Christ I want this to be resolved so badly but I know at this point the trade deals are in complete favor of the opposing teams.

This is on the Sixers for presenting those abysmal trades during Draft week, now either no one wants him or they're going to give up little for him which is not what the Sixers need to improve.

None of this is the Sixers' fault. Ben Simmons is a pussy.

 

[dtgold88]

This is what you do.

First, you take the quote out of context, then actually change the words to get closer to the what you want it mean.

It was very clear that the conversation was specifically about Love in Philly.

And since Love played 25 minutes a game last year, it would be incredibly stupid to say he is incapable of playing 15 minutes.

So stop fixating on the exact words used in a 6 word post. Take the man at his word for what he meant by the post and just move on.

He made a foolish comment....got called on it.....backtracked. also common here.

 

[dtgold88]

And in case there was any question, I clarified twice. And for the record, Love would only play the 7-8 minutes a night Niang will play to spell Tobias Harris.

made a foolish comment and you got called out on it...then backtracked. Doesn't really matter how many times you backtracked. Once was enough.

 

[dtgold88]

Man, I would be underwhelmed if I the Sixers did a deal with Portland involved and they don’t get McCollum or Dame. I know Dame is a pipe dream but I already know Covington’s limitations. He is over rated as a defender. He’s a great help defender and plays passing lanes well. But he leaves much to be desired as an on the ball defender. He’s also an unreliable and streaky three point shooter. One night he’ll be 4-9 from deep and the next night he’ll be 2-11.

While I did like his version of the deal it was because of what the Cavs gave up and received. If one does not want Love and sexton I can definitely see being underwhelmed with Covington, too.....especially since you know what he is.

 

[dtgold88]

No, they can't.

It would be a major distraction in the lockerroom.

with him not in the locker room?

 

[dtgold88]

You’re taking about a 15 minutes a night position. At 30 million dollars a year. Kevin Love has no value to the Philadelphia Sixers.

congrats on saying it right and showing you clearly meant what you said last time (that Love cannot go 15 minutes/night).

 

[dtgold88]

They aren't giving up Garland and the Sixers are really in no position to demand him.

Simmons has to go. If you get Sexton, Love and a few 1st rounders you do that.

I would never say never. Happen to think Sexton is a good fit WITH Simmons, too.

 

[dtgold88]

Not sure how it works with the cap...but maybe they could do the trade with Sexton and Love, then negotiate a buyout with Love? Obviously, that would only be if they couldn't find something a little better. But it would beat having to go through the season with him sitting out.

so would be Sexton and picks for Simmons? Unless it's a lot of picks not seeing that...and don't think cavs would give up more than 1 (maybe 2 if highly protected).

Just my opinion.

 

[dtgold88]

He is a very good passer and can shoot from distance.

Drummond is a horrible passer.

to be fair, it's hard to say as he hardly ever passes.....unless that was what you meant.

 

[trojanfan12]

so would be Sexton and picks for Simmons? Unless it's a lot of picks not seeing that...and don't think cavs would give up more than 1 (maybe 2 if highly protected).

Just my opinion.

Yeah, I assume there would need to be more in that trade, maybe by bringing in a 3rd team.

But, it's a way to get Love to the Lakers. lol

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, I assume there would need to be more in that trade, maybe by bringing in a 3rd team.

But, it's a way to get Love to the Lakers. lol

You really must be thinking he's the missing piece to carry Lebron to another title.

 

[trojanfan12]

You really must be thinking he's the missing piece to carry Lebron to another title.

I wouldn't go quite that far...AD is kind of important too. lol

Seriously though, if he has anything left, which I believe he does, he's would be a great fit. He's an elite level or close to it 3 point shooter, he's an excellent passer and rebounder and he knows how to play alongside star players like Lebron and AD. And while he's been around awhile, he's only, I believe, 32. So, it's not like he's ancient.

He's a defensive liability, but the Lakers have Vogel who's an excellent defensive coach and can figure out ways to "hide" him at least for 5-6 minute stretches if need be.

 

[tlance]

congrats on saying it right and showing you clearly meant what you said last time (that Love cannot go 15 minutes/night).

In Philly.

He wouldn’t play more than 15 minutes a night.

Again, in Philly.

And he is correct.

 

[The Q]

Simmons told them well before the draft to avoid this situation

This is self inflicted by the sixers at this point

 

[We Are Decent]

None of this is the Sixers' fault. Ben Simmons is a pussy.

No, they're at fault here as well. They oversold Simmons value and asked for ridiculous trades to teams during Draft Week instead of going for the reasonable route. Now there's no one willing to pick him up when this should've been done ages ago.