Wentz already hurt in Indy?

[Tapey]

The difference here is that those other QBs won games when they were healthy. Wentz was that guy for 1 season. Outside of that one season, he is 24-30-1 with 0 playoff wins.

So medium risk, low reward.

And even that 1 season the team was so stacked that the back up came in and the didn’t miss a beat

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You do realize you are talking about a QB that couldn’t beat out Gardner Minshew and Mitch Trubisky over the last two years.

The Eagles had seen enough of Foles in practice to know that magical run was a fluke and not be fooled into committing to him.

The Wentz situation collapsed on the Eagles. But it was still the better option back in 2019 when they were making it.

The Eagles FO office was lucky to survive the last two years. But they had the coaching staff to blame for the young franchise QB totally regressing. Had they signed Foles back in 2019, they likely would be right next to Pederson in the unemployment line.

Foles being moved off the team had nothing to do with what they saw. He was in the perfect system that fit his style of play. The move was made cause the FO couldn't have a SB MVP looking over the QB1 shoulder to rescue the team again (twice). Wentz's mentality is very fragile so the move had to be made.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Yeah, holding onto Foles would've been like the Ravens holding onto Flacco. A QB winning a Super Bowl is not the same thing as the QB being the reason you have a Super Bowl caliber team. David Freese was better than Albert Pujols for a month, too. You can't let small sample sizes impact long term team building.

Foles is like Case Keenum or Ryan Fitzpatrick. You want him on your team. Just as a backup and not the starter.

Wentz couldn’t stay on the field though, so what good was he ? Foles also performed good in the post season the next year, so it wasn’t a fluke thing, the guy just had chemistry with that group and it was working … Sometimes you gotta just roll with what’s working, that chemistry is hard to find …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Foles being moved off the team had nothing to do with what they saw. He was in the perfect system that fit his style of play. The move was made cause the FO couldn't have a SB MVP looking over the QB1 shoulder to rescue the team again (twice). Wentz's mentality is very fragile so the move had to be made.

That’s a good way to put it, perfect system that fit Foles style of play…

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Sure, we can see that now; but at the time Wentz was considerably younger than Foles, had a smaller sample size than Foles, and was still a recent top 3 pick of the Eagles that was still under their development. The Eagles had no good reason to go all-in on Foles over Wentz.

An investment on Foles would have been a bigger waste than sticking with Wentz.

Depends on what they coulda got for Wentz … He was good trade bait at the time…

 

[belcherboy]

The difference here is that those other QBs won games when they were healthy. Wentz was that guy for 1 season. Outside of that one season, he is 24-30-1 with 0 playoff wins.

So medium risk, low reward.

I wasn't commenting on the quality of the QB, but the durability. He is just as durable, if not more durable, than those other QB's.

 

[jarntt]

And even that 1 season the team was so stacked that the back up came in and the didn’t miss a beat

Both times he went out when the team made the playoffs they played better without him than with him.

 

[jarntt]

I wasn't commenting on the quality of the QB, but the durability. He is just as durable, if not more durable, than those other QB's.

Stop it already. He's not durable. He is the opposite of durable. That's what you aren't getting. He is often hurt. Before the season, during the season, after the season,. There is seemingly always something going on and it was the case in college too. You keep freezing your stats at the regular season because you think it helps your case but the point is those teams played the playoffs without him twice because he was done for the year and the 3rd time he lasted one series in the playoffs before leaving the game. So all 3 times they made the playoffs he didn't finish the year due to injury. He is going on his 6th year and is already out again. He will have had 1 season out of 6 that didn't end due to injury or benching and that was his first year. That sucks and it isn't durable.

 

[belcherboy]

Stop it already. He's not durable. He is the opposite of durable. That's what you aren't getting. He is often hurt. Before the season, during the season, after the season,. There is seemingly always something going on and it was the case in college too. You keep freezing your stats at the regular season because you think it helps your case but the point is those teams played the playoffs without him twice because he was done for the year and the 3rd time he lasted one series in the playoffs before leaving the game. So all 3 times they made the playoffs he didn't finish the year due to injury. He is going on his 6th year and is already out again. He will have had 1 season out of 6 that didn't end due to injury or benching and that was his first year. That sucks and it isn't durable.

Again, he has averaged 14 games a season for 5 seasons. That's as good or better than SEVERAL other "more durable" QB's in the history of the NFL.

I'm not freezing any stats. 14 games a season is the stat I've been using all along. I don't think he was benched for being hurt, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

For some reason you want to ignore that he averages 14 games a season, when guys like:

* Roethlisberger averages about 14 games a season
* Aikman averaged about 14 games a season
* Stafford averages about 14 games a season
* Dak Prescott averages about 14 games a season
* Rodgers averages about 14.5 games a season

I understand that he hasn't been available in some big moments, but again, he also isn't as injury prone as people make him out to be. At least not any more prone than the guys above. He has a fairly long career for an NFL player so far.

 

[fastforward]

There's a difference between getting an injury early in a season ONCE and being hurt multiple times and having multiple seasons curtailed.

 

[jarntt]

Again, he has averaged 14 games a season for 5 seasons. That's as good or better than SEVERAL other "more durable" QB's in the history of the NFL.

I'm not freezing any stats. 14 games a season is the stat I've been using all along. I don't think he was benched for being hurt, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

For some reason you want to ignore that he averages 14 games a season, when guys like:

* Roethlisberger averages about 14 games a season
* Aikman averaged about 14 games a season
* Stafford averages about 14 games a season
* Dak Prescott averages about 14 games a season
* Rodgers averages about 14.5 games a season

I understand that he hasn't been available in some big moments, but again, he also isn't as injury prone as people make him out to be. At least not any more prone than the guys above. He has a fairly long career for an NFL player so far.

6 seasons and in only 1 he will have played the whole year (and don't compare him to guys who take week 16/17 off because it doesn't matter to their season). the 5 seasons that are completed he finished 1. One!!!
In what world is that not an injury problem.

He and Dak started together. How many separate injuries have caused Dak and Wentz to miss games? I'll help you out on Dak. It's one.

Your metric is stupid

 

[belcherboy]

6 seasons and in only 1 he will have played the whole year (and don't compare him to guys who take week 16/17 off because it doesn't matter to their season). the 5 seasons that are completed he finished 1. One!!!
In what world is that not an injury problem.

He and Dak started together. How many separate injuries have caused Dak and Wentz to miss games? I'll help you out on Dak. It's one.

Your metric is stupid

Your metric is mostly emotional.

Take names away, and just use numbers and you would see that Wentz has played in 80% of the games. That 80% includes the games he was benched without injury.

He’s not as fragile as you (and many others) paint him to be. Take out the emotions, and look at the numbers.

 

[jarntt]

Your metric is mostly emotional.

Take names away, and just use numbers and you would see that Wentz has played in 80% of the games. That 80% includes the games he was benched without injury.

He’s not as fragile as you (and many others) paint him to be. Take out the emotions, and look at the numbers.

What is emotional about saying he finished one season out of 5? And now that he is on year 6 and we already know it won't be a complete season you can say he only had one full season out of 6 and none of those included a week 17 rest game. How many franchise QBs can you find to match that?

 

[belcherboy]

What is emotional about saying he finished one season out of 5? And now that he is on year 6 and we already know it won't be a complete season you can say he only had one full season out of 6 and none of those included a week 17 rest game. How many franchise QBs can you find to match that?

You mean, besides the fact that most QB’s don’t play a full season?

Last season is a prime example of how an injury didn’t keep him from finishing a full season. He was benched.

The stats are clear. He isn’t much different from most QB’s. He’s played one less game in his 5 year career than Dak has played in his 5 year career. But Wentz is injury prone, but Dak isn’t??

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I wasn't commenting on the quality of the QB, but the durability. He is just as durable, if not more durable, than those other QB's.

Wentz isn't that durable

 

[belcherboy]

Wentz isn't that durable

He’s average 14 games a season for 5 seasons. I wouldn’t label him as injury prone just yet. (Although he is starting the season on the IR)

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

He’s average 14 games a season for 5 seasons. I wouldn’t label him as injury prone just yet. (Although he is starting the season on the IR)

Did you actually watch every game or just what the stats tell you?

 

[belcherboy]

Did you actually watch every game or just what the stats tell you?

So the stats don’t matter unless you watch every game?

 

[belcherboy]

Did you actually watch every game or just what the stats tell you?

So the stats don’t matter unless you watch every game?

 

[SteelersPride]

Your metric is mostly emotional.

Take names away, and just use numbers and you would see that Wentz has played in 80% of the games. That 80% includes the games he was benched without injury.

He’s not as fragile as you (and many others) paint him to be. Take out the emotions, and look at the numbers.

Amazingly, everyone, including pundits are on one side. But we do see you over there. Its hard to miss you when your’re all alone.