The Great Russell Wilson

[Wamu]

What's your deal with nine seasons?

It's really bizarre that raz-on thinks because of the success Wilson has had his first 9 seasons that automatically means he'll have the same success or better the rest of his career.

And the fact he keeps insisting that all other QB's can only be judged by what they did their first 9 seasons and nothing else kinda indicates he might have a screw loose.

 

[RaZon]

It's really bizarre that raz-on thinks because of the success Wilson has had his first 9 seasons that automatically means he'll have the same success or better the rest of his career.

And the fact he keeps insisting that all other QB's can only be judged by what they did their first 9 seasons and nothing else kinda indicates he might have a screw loose.

So you would compare the numbers of a QB n his 15th season to a guy in his 4th, that makes sense to you?

Wilson only has nine seasons, so THINK.....ok? So.....simply compare what Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Marino etc did....AT THE SAME STAGE OF THEIR CAREER....ok? That confuses you?

Speaking of screws loose, sheesh!!!!

 

[Wamu]

So you would compare the numbers of a QB n his 15th season to a guy in his 4th, that makes sense to you?

Wilson only has nine seasons, so THINK.....ok? So.....simply compare what Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Marino etc did....AT THE SAME STAGE OF THEIR CAREER....ok? That confuses you?

Speaking of screws loose, sheesh!!!!

I'm comparing total career stats. You on the other hand are foolish enough to think that all other QB's can only be compared to Wilson by their first nine years and nothing else.

And one more times since you still don't get it. Nobody has disagreed with you about Wilson's first 9 seasons. But his first nine seasons doesn't make him a better QB than Montana, Elway, Brees, Brady or Rodgers.

Montana & Brady both had more rings by their 9th year than Wilson. But you don't wanna hear any of that. Fair or not all QB's are judged by career accomplishments. And yer boy Russell is lacking in two very important categories. No league mvp & no S.B. mvp.

 

[RaZon]

I'm comparing total career stats. You on the other hand are foolish enough to think that all other QB's can only be compared to Wilson by their first nine years and nothing else.

And one more times since you still don't get it. Nobody has disagreed with you about Wilson's first 9 seasons. But his first nine seasons doesn't make him a better QB than Montana, Elway, Brees, Brady or Rodgers.

Montana & Brady both had more rings by their 9th year than Wilson. But you don't wanna hear any of that. Fair or not all QB's are judged by career accomplishments. And yer boy Russell is lacking in two very important categories. No league mvp & no S.B. mvp.

So you are telling me Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Dan Marino because he had rings and Marino doesn't? Eli also better because of rings, really?

How can you compare nine seasons to 14 that actually makes sense to you?

Wilson has nine seasons ONLY, his nine seasons the best we have seen. Why fight this?

 

[sonnyblack65]

I'm comparing total career stats. You on the other hand are foolish enough to think that all other QB's can only be compared to Wilson by their first nine years and nothing else.

And one more times since you still don't get it. Nobody has disagreed with you about Wilson's first 9 seasons. But his first nine seasons doesn't make him a better QB than Montana, Elway, Brees, Brady or Rodgers.

Montana & Brady both had more rings by their 9th year than Wilson. But you don't wanna hear any of that. Fair or not all QB's are judged by career accomplishments. And yer boy Russell is lacking in two very important categories. No league mvp & no S.B. mvp.

Marino was the first QB to throw for 5k yards and it took 24 years to surpass, Marino was the fastest to 100 tds and it took 34 years for that to be broken, by Mahomes recently. And Marino played with all the old rules that didn't favor the QB's like today.

Wilson ties the rookie QB record and its broken a few years later by Mayfield in only 13 games and then recently by Herbert. Stats today are easy to get because of the rules. Brady as an old man has thrown for over 4k every season since Wilson came into league, except for the 12 game season due to suspension, Wilson has only done it half the seasons. Again I don't care about the 50 tds or 5k seasons, because that didn't result in a SB. Staubach and Brady have best record for first 100 games played at 76-24 and he looks at stats from the 70's , comparing them to today and tries to diss Staubach, a top 10 QB of all time, or Elway

 

[wilwhite]

So you have finally FINALLY realized that yes nobody had a better first nine seasons than Russell Wilson. Took ya long enought.

Huh? My first post, page seven:

Wilson turned out to be the best QB to join the league in all the years around him (2006-2015). I don't think anybody would argue that.

"Nine seasons" excludes everybody after that window, and has been demonstrated on this thread ad nasueum, everybody's numbers in the past couple of decades have been inflated. Here's a rundown on why: How NFL Rule Changes Created a Golden Era of Quarterback Stats

So of course he's the best QB over his first nine seasons. It just doesn't mean anything more than being the best QB drafted from 2006-2015.

That's pretty good, but it's all you'll get.

I'm not arguing whether you're right; I'm arguing whether it matters.

 

[RaZon]

Huh? My first post, page seven:


"Nine seasons" excludes everybody after that window, and has been demonstrated on this thread ad nasueum, everybody's numbers in the past couple of decades have been inflated. Here's a rundown on why: How NFL Rule Changes Created a Golden Era of Quarterback Stats

So of course he's the best QB over his first nine seasons. It just doesn't mean anything more than being the best QB drafted from 2006-2015.

That's pretty good, but it's all you'll get.

I'm not arguing whether you're right; I'm arguing whether it matters.

So you finally agreed Wilson is indeed the best QB his first nine seasons, thank you!

Like I said toss out any name and watch how Wilson out mans them, give me anyone.

 

[RaZon]

The thing about Wilson and that......real big deal.....is how he was just thrown out there and how he handled it. Who was ever more impressive, well? In his second season, SB champion! Look at all those HOFers who never won a SB. Look at Brady sitting on a bench, Rodgers lived on a bench for how long?

To do what this guy has done without a GRONK, without a Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Julio Jones is amazing.

Yes Vick and Cam cn run, they are the only ones with more rushing yards than Wilson, how do their passing stas compare, yep, they don't

Russell Wilson has simply put together the best start to a career we have ever seen, to battle it, fight it, ....makes no sense.

 

[Wamu]

Marino was the first QB to throw for 5k yards and it took 24 years to surpass, Marino was the fastest to 100 tds and it took 34 years for that to be broken, by Mahomes recently. And Marino played with all the old rules that didn't favor the QB's like today.

Wilson ties the rookie QB record and its broken a few years later by Mayfield in only 13 games and then recently by Herbert. Stats today are easy to get because of the rules. Brady as an old man has thrown for over 4k every season since Wilson came into league, except for the 12 game season due to suspension, Wilson has only done it half the seasons. Again I don't care about the 50 tds or 5k seasons, because that didn't result in a SB. Staubach and Brady have best record for first 100 games played at 76-24 and he looks at stats from the 70's , comparing them to today and tries to diss Staubach, a top 10 QB of all time, or Elway

It's pointless trying to reason with raz-on. He has his Russell Wilson homer goggles super glued to his head. Wilson's been to the playoffs 7 of his first 9 seasons with two S.B. trips & one ring.

Let's say Wilson plays 9 more years. raz-on said the other day he expects Wilson to accomplish more than he already has. He thinks Wilson will guide his team to the playoffs 8 of the next 9 years. I'd be surprised if that happens.

 

[wilwhite]

So you finally agreed Wilson is indeed the best QB his first nine seasons, thank you!

Like I said toss out any name and watch how Wilson out mans them, give me anyone.

He's also the best QB named Russell. It's just not a very interesting category to win.

He's not the best QB by age 32.

 

[RaZon]

It's pointless trying to reason with raz-on. He has his Russell Wilson homer goggles super glued to his head. Wilson's been to the playoffs 7 of his first 9 seasons with two S.B. trips & one ring.

Let's say Wilson plays 9 more years. raz-on said the other day he expects Wilson to accomplish more than he already has. He thinks Wilson will guide his team to the playoffs 8 of the next 9 years. I'd be surprised if that happens.

Talking his numbers, I do expect to see superior stats to what he has put up so far.

Ya need to get off the playoffs/SB thing, unless you think Eli/Bradshaw were better than Marino/Kelly/Moon/Fouts.

 

[RaZon]

He's also the best QB named Russell. It's just not a very interesting category to win.

He's not the best QB by age 32.

So who is, well?

 

[sonnyblack65]

It's pointless trying to reason with raz-on. He has his Russell Wilson homer goggles super glued to his head. Wilson's been to the playoffs 7 of his first 9 seasons with two S.B. trips & one ring.

Let's say Wilson plays 9 more years. raz-on said the other day he expects Wilson to accomplish more than he already has. He thinks Wilson will guide his team to the playoffs 8 of the next 9 years. I'd be surprised if that happens.

And like we all have said, repeated, rinsed many times that Wilson is one helluva of a QB, But to compare modern day stats to yester year, makes 0 sense, it's comparing apples with grapes. 100 passer rating, 3-4 tds/int and 4k a season is the norm now. Let the defenders crush the QB and muckle the wide receivers, and see what their stats become. I would have loved to see what a Marino would do in todays NFL, that it took 24 and 34 yards for his record to be broken

 

[Wazmankg]

John Elway is like Roger Staubach they get a ton of props then ya look at their numbers and both are really weak vs the greats.

Take a few minites and Google theit stats, yep.....weak!

You can't compare 2020 numbers with 1975 numbers.

If you're really interested in comparing stats from different eras, you should compare their deviations from the mean of their era.

Take Staubach vs Wilson and the comp% and passer rating you find so impressive for Wilson.

Wilson passer rating - 101.7
Avg passer rating 2012-20 - 89.3
Wilson's was 12.4 points or roughly 14% better than average

Staubach's passer rating - 83.4
Avg passer rating 1970-79- 65.3
Staubach's was 18.1 points or roughly 27% better than average

Advantage Staubach ^ and it's not even close.

The same is true for comp%. Wilson's has been roughly 2% better than his contemporaries while Staubach's was > 4% better.

Also I believe that Staubach was the all-time leader in both of those categories when he retired, aside from Otto Graham, whose stats for both categories were inflated due to playing against inferior competition for several years in the AAFC.

Staubach also had some good wheels and didn't get a chance to start full time until he was damn near 30. Wilson is an excellent QB, but I'd take prime Staubach over him every time.

 

[Wamu]

Talking his numbers, I do expect to see superior stats to what he has put up so far.

Ya need to get off the playoffs/SB thing, unless you think Eli/Bradshaw were better than Marino/Kelly/Moon/Fouts.

"ya need to get off the playoff/SB thing"

What yer sayin' is S.B. wins, S.B. mvp award's & regular season mvp awards don't factor into a QB's resume. Even though Wilson doesn't have those three things he's still the greatest QB of all time.

 

[RaZon]

And like we all have said, repeated, rinsed many times that Wilson is one helluva of a QB, But to compare modern day stats to yester year, makes 0 sense, it's comparing apples with grapes. 100 passer rating, 3-4 tds/int and 4k a season is the norm now. Let the defenders crush the QB and muckle the wide receivers, and see what their stats become. I would have loved to see what a Marino would do in todays NFL, that it took 24 and 34 yards for his record to be broken

You can't compare 2020 numbers with 1975 numbers.

If you're really interested in comparing stats from different eras, you should compare their deviations from the mean of their era.

Take Staubach vs Wilson an the comp% and passer rating you find so impressive for Wilson.

Wilson passer rating - 101.7
Avg passer rating 2012-20 - 89.3
Wilson's was 12.4 points or roughly 14% better than average

Staubach's passer rating - 83.4
Avg passer rating 1970-79- 65.3
Staubach's was 18.1 points or roughly 27% better than average

Advantage Staubach ^ and it's not even close.

The same is true for comp%. Wilson's has been roughly 2% better than his contemporaries while Staubach's was > 4% better.

Also I believe that Staubach was the all-time leader in both of those categories when he retired, aside from Otto Graham, whose stats for both categories were inflated due to playing against inferior competition for several years in the AAFC.

Staubach also had some good wheels and didn't get a chance to start full time until he was damn near 30. Wilson is an excellent QB, but I'd take prime Staubach over him every time.

Why ignore the caliber of athletes that Wilson faces vs what Staubach faced in his day? How would Wilson do in 1975 vs those inferior defenders?

I saw Staubach play at Navy, yep, won the Heisman, he was good but not close to Russell Wilson. His navy stats pale in comparision to what Wilson did at the NCAA level.

Do you really think Staubach could do what he did once upon a time vs 2021 NFL defenses, really?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Dude, you're boring the hell out of me, ok?

Want a tissue?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I seriously doubt it.

Nothing to doubt, you dodge when you have too.

 

[RaZon]

"ya need to get off the playoff/SB thing"

What yer sayin' is S.B. wins, S.B. mvp award's & regular season mvp awards don't factor into a QB's resume. Even though Wilson doesn't have those three things he's still the greatest QB of all time.

I'm saying Cam Newton was an MVP, Wilson far better than he is. Terry Bradshaw/Ei Manning 6 SB wins between them.....Moon, Kelly, Rivers, Tarkenton, Marino, Fouts.....ZERO!

So just how much do we put into that stuff, well?

 

[RaZon]

Want a tissue?

Yes I do hand me one, ok?