Stop rooting for your team to lose to get better draft odds

[flyerhawk]

Hilarious you think a grade that said most considered a guy the 4th best talent in the draft taken 5th a big issue.

FYI, if you compare their 3rd seasons Sexton's has been better than Kyrie's. Can he continue on same trajectory? We'll see. I doubt we'll get the crazy from Sexton.

The Cavs front office is great and does everything right and just needs to get lucky in order for the team to be great.

Hope that makes you feel better.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm not going to go searching for your posts about Love or Drummond. If you are going to suggest that you weren't saying that the Cavs could trade Love for a 1st plus other stuff then whatever. Can't make people be honest. Accusing others of having baseless opinions is an attack.


Because A) all teams deal with the same randomness. Talk to a Knicks fan about not being lucky. The Cavs won a title because their FIRST No. 1 pick came back. And your team went back to sucking once he left again.



OK. So we're done with civil discussion. That's fine.

My point, homer, is that the Cavs aren't building a team that can compete for a title and they will eventually lose Garland and Sexton if they ever amount to anything of note. Whether Coby White turns out to be a better player than Garland was never my point because I'm not trying to judge whether a team does or does not draft well because drafting is more or less a crap shoot. All the teams have basically the same information. The only difference is whether the player fits into their team and whether they can develop that player into something more. Having 2 small shooting guards is redundant. That you can't even concede the obvious fit problem speaks to how much a blind homer.

The Cavs are going to be in the eternal loop of mediocrity for the foreseeable future unless they get really lucky, again, and draft a transcendent generational talent which they most likely will not do. Every year you will be cheerleading along for them as saying how next year will be the year they take it to the next level while they wind up winning 30 games.

I sometimes forget why I always regret talking about the irrelevan Cavs in this forum. Then I get reminded why.
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You are really on your game today (is that another attack)? accusing someone who offers baseless opinions of making baseless opinions is an attack? How about insinuating someone is a liar after making up comments he said (after crying about having comments made up about that person)?

who said the lottery cannot go both ways. Might be an attack, but read this until it sinks in. The Cavs won a title because of lottery luck. And, yeah, helped they could lure the #1 pick back. No doubt his leaving made them drop to bottom of pack. I'll be disappointed if they need 6 years to get back to the playoffs after he left....especially if we get a couple #1 picks in that time.

More baseless opinions and deflection. You named 3 guys the cavs should have taken instead of another small guard. One has clearly not been up to the level of the guy they did take. Could make a strong argument 2 were not. Perhaps all 3. Now it's you making it up as you go after crying you think I made up comments that you said or didn't say. Not a practice what you preach guy are ya, sport? In fact, I can concede Garland was not a good fit. But I also said if he is clearly your BPA you take him. That's when I asekd who they should have taken and you named players who are not nearly as good as Garland has been.

I have also said the cavs would need to get really lucky again to become a title contender. You are so funny when you pretty much argue with yourself as I'm not arguing that point.

Also funny you try to rip my team that won a title and played for 4 others since your team last won a title.

You are priceless.

 

[dtgold88]

The Cavs front office is great and does everything right and just needs to get lucky in order for the team to be great.

Hope that makes you feel better.

Nah...I'd rather you cry about what I say (even though I didn't) then do the same thing yourself. I'd also like you to tell me what needs to happen for the Cavs to be good as though you are disagreeing with me....even though I've said the same thing.

You are pure comedy when someone disagrees with you and can easily smack you around with facts or by just shoving your own comments back in your face.

you can go ahead and get the last word. Please dig deep and make it good. Go for the trifecta of your irrational.......cry about something I did then do it yourself. Make a comment designed to upset me when it's something I've said on many occasions (never mind nothing here can upset me). Or just go with general deflection. Maybe a 4th and cry about being attacked while attacking me (per your definition of attack, of course). Perhaps a 5th and a scare tactic with another baseless opinion then cry about called out for baseless opinions? Oh no....Garland and Sexton might be great and leave!! what will I do if that happens in 4-6 years??!!

 

[flyerhawk]

Nah...I'd rather you cry about what I say (even though I didn't) then do the same thing yourself. I'd also like you to tell me what needs to happen for the Cavs to be good as though you are disagreeing with me....even though I've said the same thing.

You are pure comedy when someone disagrees with you and can easily smack you around with facts or by just shoving your own comments back in your face.

you can go ahead and get the last word. Please dig deep and make it good. Go for the trifecta of your irrational.......cry about something I did then do it yourself. Make a comment designed to upset me when it's something I've said on many occasions (never mind nothing here can upset me). Or just go with general deflection. Maybe a 4th and cry about being attacked while attacking me (per your definition of attack, of course). Perhaps a 5th and a scare tactic with another baseless opinion then cry about called out for baseless opinions? Oh no....Garland and Sexton might be great and leave!! what will I do if that happens in 4-6 years??!!

I disagree with lots of people. I only get annoyed when people's tone turns obnoxious.

I wonder why I've never been banned here, including the politics forum where I am in the decided minority, and yet it happens to you all the time. Must be because I'm so irrational and thin skinned and you are so steady and reasonable.

 

[The Q]

Which is kind of the point. If a team truly commits to putting a contending roster around a star player, they increase the chances that the star will stay beyond his RFA contract.

Cleveland is a great example of this. Lebron stayed through his rookie deal and his RFA deals. The Cavs didn't really commit to putting a contending roster around him, so he left.

They were able to get him to come back (which pretty much never happens), this time, they committed to putting a contending roster around him and got 4 straight finals appearances and the franchises only championship.

i disagree with this notion.

the cavs in 2010 were ahead of their time, trying to play like we are now. Smaller lines ups more 3s etc. it’s why they worked and got the 1 seed.

they ran into a healthy Celtics buzz saw and mo Williams and Anthony Parker had epically bad weeks in that series

(and the magic just got stupid hot for a week the year before)

 

[The Q]

Honestly I would say without Embiid the process would have completely failed.

without either it’s not pretty
And the only reason you got embiid was a freak injury.

 

[msgkings322]

without either it’s not pretty
And the only reason you got embiid was a freak injury.

The role of luck in sports cannot be overstated

We create narratives after the fact but really who wins and who loses comes down to a lot of luck. These are all teams full of professionals who are the best in the world in what they do. Every champion needs a lot of luck.

 

[trojanfan12]

i disagree with this notion.

the cavs in 2010 were ahead of their time, trying to play like we are now. Smaller lines ups more 3s etc. it’s why they worked and got the 1 seed.

they ran into a healthy Celtics buzz saw and mo Williams and Anthony Parker had epically bad weeks in that series

(and the magic just got stupid hot for a week the year before)

What star player (who was still a star) did the Cavs have? In 2009-10 they had the corpse of Shaq and Atawn Jamison.

 

[flyerhawk]

without either it’s not pretty
And the only reason you got embiid was a freak injury.

No doubt about it. Not were the Sixers lucky because Embiid fell to them due to his injury, his injury also allowed them to spend a couple of years building more assets. If Embiid had been healthy the next 2 years, there is no way they would have had 2 top 5 picks.

 

[dtgold88]

The role of luck in sports cannot be overstated

We create narratives after the fact but really who wins and who loses comes down to a lot of luck. These are all teams full of professionals who are the best in the world in what they do. Every champion needs a lot of luck.

Yep...need luck on and maybe more off the court.

 

[dtgold88]

What star player (who was still a star) did the Cavs have? In 2009-10 they had the corpse of Shaq and Atawn Jamison.

I will say I have no idea how that was their best season in history I believe in the reg. season

 

[trojanfan12]

I will say I have no idea how that was their best season in history I believe in the reg. season

61-21.

Lebron: 30 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, 1.6 steals, 1.0 blocks and 77% on free throws and he was usually shutting down the opponents best player is how.

 

[msgkings322]

Yep...need luck on and maybe more off the court.

For sure off the court. The 2017 Warriors didn't need any luck to win that year, it was obvious one of the greatest teams ever assembled was gonna motorboat the league and that's what happened. But it took a lot of luck over many years for them to put that team together.

 

[dtgold88]

61-21.

Lebron: 30 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, 1.6 steals, 1.0 blocks and 77% on free throws and he was usually shutting down the opponents best player is how.

my bad...thought you were talking about the 66 win season. Regular starting 5 was Williams, West, Lebron, Wallace and Lebron. Top bench players were Varejao, Szerbiak, Joe smith and Gibson. Probably won 66 because Lebron cared and wanted the #1 seed.

I have a feeling there were teams where if he was told his team needed 70 wins or no playoffs they'd have won 70.

 

[dtgold88]

For sure off the court. The 2017 Warriors didn't need any luck to win that year, it was obvious one of the greatest teams ever assembled was gonna motorboat the league and that's what happened. But it took a lot of luck over many years for them to put that team together.

I'm gonna say #1 on list was Minnesota taking 2 PGs instead of Curry. At time were you hoping for Curry or did you want Rubio?

 

[msgkings322]

I'm gonna say #1 on list was Minnesota taking 2 PGs instead of Curry. At time were you hoping for Curry or did you want Rubio?

I wasn't paying that close attention but I did think Rubio was pretty exciting. But yeah that was a big part of their luck.

They also needed cap luck to have room to sign KD, and they needed to have the bad luck of losing in 2016 to go out and get him. If they win in 2016 they probably run it back again.

 

[dtgold88]

I wasn't paying that close attention but I did think Rubio was pretty exciting. But yeah that was a big part of their luck.

They also needed cap luck to have room to sign KD, and they needed to have the bad luck of losing in 2016 to go out and get him. If they win in 2016 they probably run it back again.

Man that's close. Maybe it is KD as 2 things had to happen that had nothing to do with each other. Had to lose in 2016 most likely AND the cap explosion as you mentioned timed perfectly.

Maybe Klay, but not sure I'd call it luck. He was expected to go around where he did. And while a very good player he is not Curry/Durant good. Just an exceptional fit for those teams.

 

[msgkings322]

Man that's close. Maybe it is KD as 2 things had to happen that had nothing to do with each other. Had to lose in 2016 most likely AND the cap explosion as you mentioned timed perfectly.

Maybe Klay, but not sure I'd call it luck. He was expected to go around where he did. And while a very good player he is not Curry/Durant good. Just an exceptional fit for those teams.

Draymond in the second round I wouldn't call luck either, that's just good drafting

 

[dtgold88]

Draymond in the second round I wouldn't call luck either, that's just good drafting

Agree......I'd really only call it luck if you get a superstar player late (or even mid-first like Giannis). Sure, also good drafting but even his own team didn't expect him to be what he is.

 

[The Q]

What star player (who was still a star) did the Cavs have? In 2009-10 they had the corpse of Shaq and Atawn Jamison.

that’s not what you said before, nor what I disagreed with.

the spent poorly and were capped out.

but they damn sure tried.