"Well, I Just Had To Laugh....."

[Montalban]

There's something seriously fucking wrong with you.

Just call em as I see em; and accurately too.

 

[returnofjakedog]

As I explained. She had no NBA coaching experience, she had no NCAA experience with male players, she had no high school experience with male players. No more need be said. Popovich is the king of PC and is a fanatical liberal. Just wanted to make his statement.

At least you finally answered the question!
However I just reviewed everything you wrote in this thread and at no point did you ever explain the specifics of your point until now.

So I looked her up and she has a 14 year professional career, 6 time wnba all star, multiple various championships and medals. So she certainly has the experience. I have no reason to assume that she isn't qualified for her assistant coaching gig based solely on your statement. Plenty of former players go directly from active player to assistant coach regardless of prior coaching experience. She might be a very good coach. Neither you nor I have any inside information to indicate that one way or the other so I don't know how we can assume with 100% certainty that she was only a "token hire" to begin with 7 years ago, or that she hasn't developed into a good coach during her 7 years of experience.

To me personally I understand why her being the first woman coach for an NBA game is a big deal, but I don't really care much one way or the other. I played a lot of high level basketball back in the day and it was not unheard of to have a female play on the same court as the top guys (top guys = professional athletes and even NBA players). They were capable of that so I see no reason they couldn't be capable of high level coaching either.

 

[Montalban]

At least you finally answered the question!
However I just reviewed everything you wrote in this thread and at no point did you ever explain the specifics of your point until now.

So I looked her up and she has a 14 year professional career, 6 time wnba all star, multiple various championships and medals. So she certainly has the experience. I have no reason to assume that she isn't qualified for her assistant coaching gig based solely on your statement. Plenty of former players go directly from active player to assistant coach regardless of prior coaching experience. She might be a very good coach. Neither you nor I have any inside information to indicate that one way or the other so I don't know how we can assume with 100% certainty that she was only a "token hire" to begin with 7 years ago, or that she hasn't developed into a good coach during her 7 years of experience.

To me personally I understand why her being the first woman coach for an NBA game is a big deal, but I don't really care much one way or the other. I played a lot of high level basketball back in the day and it was not unheard of to have a female play on the same court as the top guys (top guys = professional athletes and even NBA players). They were capable of that so I see no reason they couldn't be capable of high level coaching either.

She has experience as a player not a coach and never with male players. The men's game is totally different from the women's game. Popovich and the Spurs were just trying to be stylish. If she can coach, fine, but its not the earth shaking event ESPN wants you to believe it is. Its just a basketball coach for pete's sake.

 

[tlance]

She got hired as a publicity stunt. Are you telling me that there were no other highly experienced professionals looking for that same job?

There certainly were other highly qualified people. But she is too.

She was a WNBA all star as a player. It is not like the Spurs hired her off the street.

There is absolutely no reason why a woman couldn’t coach men.

 

[tlance]

She has experience as a player not a coach and never with male players. The men's game is totally different from the women's game. Popovich and the Spurs were just trying to be stylish. If she can coach, fine, but its not the earth shaking event ESPN wants you to believe it is. Its just a basketball coach for pete's sake.

LOL. Not really.

I mean, yes, it is different in that women aren’t as athletic as men. But, from an X and 0 standpoint the women’s game is actually more reliant on fundamentals, offensive sets and team play.

If anything, she might have a deeper understanding than the average male player.

 

[returnofjakedog]

She has experience as a player not a coach and never with male players. The men's game is totally different from the women's game. Popovich and the Spurs were just trying to be stylish. If she can coach, fine, but its not the earth shaking event ESPN wants you to believe it is. Its just a basketball coach for pete's sake.

The men's game is not totally different than the women's game. The only difference is that the NBA players tend to rely more on athleticism than the confines of set structured offenses. Besides if the male and female games were so different that it would keep someone experienced in the "women's game" to become a coach "men's game" then it would also work the other way and coaches on all levels have switched from coaching men to women and vice-versa

Plenty of men go directly from player to coaching without any specific experience. I've seen it on pro, college, and even high school groom players to become coaches. She is a wnba hof pg. I see no reason to automatically assume that she isn't qualified or capable of performing her job at a high level. I also can't make the leap in logic that she was an unqualified diversity hire just because Pop is the head coach. Were you there in the job interviews? No. Do you have specific incontrovertible evidence to indicate that she doesn't have the knowledge or the capability to do the job. No.

Everything you state about her capabilities and performance is assumption and bias. It is fine for you to have an opinion but you are completely wrong to state it as fact.

 

[msgkings322]

there are different ways to earn qualifications

being a master point guard and MVP is a way to earn coaching credentials just as much as sitting on a bench. There are plenty of coaches whose main experience was playing over coaching and many have had a lot of success.

you definitely dont need coaching experience to be a qualified coaching candidate in the NBA.

Actually no it isn't, ask Magic Johnson. Great players almost never make good coaches. Larry Bird is the only exception I can think of in basketball.

 

[Montalban]

There certainly were other highly qualified people. But she is too.

She was a WNBA all star as a player. It is not like the Spurs hired her off the street.

There is absolutely no reason why a woman couldn’t coach men.

That is ridiculous

 

[Montalban]

The men's game is not totally different than the women's game. The only difference is that the NBA players tend to rely more on athleticism than the confines of set structured offenses. Besides if the male and female games were so different that it would keep someone experienced in the "women's game" to become a coach "men's game" then it would also work the other way and coaches on all levels have switched from coaching men to women and vice-versa

Plenty of men go directly from player to coaching without any specific experience. I've seen it on pro, college, and even high school groom players to become coaches. She is a wnba hof pg. I see no reason to automatically assume that she isn't qualified or capable of performing her job at a high level. I also can't make the leap in logic that she was an unqualified diversity hire just because Pop is the head coach. Were you there in the job interviews? No. Do you have specific incontrovertible evidence to indicate that she doesn't have the knowledge or the capability to do the job. No.

Everything you state about her capabilities and performance is assumption and bias. It is fine for you to have an opinion but you are completely wrong to state it as fact.

The smaller ball? The games are totally different. Every top boys high school team would beat any WNBA team.
Watching the women's game is like watching two retards play chess.

 

[Montalban]

LOL. Not really.

I mean, yes, it is different in that women aren’t as athletic as men. But, from an X and 0 standpoint the women’s game is actually more reliant on fundamentals, offensive sets and team play.

If anything, she might have a deeper understanding than the average male player.

Fair enough. At least that is a reasonable argument

 

[tlance]

That is ridiculous

It is fact.

And if Becky Hammon’s playing experience doesn’t qualify her to coach men because the game is so “different”, then by that logic no man is qualified to coach women either.

But that would obviously be a ridiculous argument because men coach women all the time.

 

[trojanfan12]

The smaller ball? The games are totally different. Every top boys high school team would beat any WNBA team.
Watching the women's game is like watching two retards play chess.

Interestingly, the same could be said about your posts.

 

[returnofjakedog]

The smaller ball? The games are totally different. Every top boys high school team would beat any WNBA team.
Watching the women's game is like watching two retards play chess.

Eh. Debatable. Regardless, it still doesn't mean a woman can't coach a team effectively. Even the NBA still requires systems and strategies. Jr High teams can run similar game plans to what the NBA does. Physical capabilities don't have to do with coaching abilities.

According to Forbes, in 2018 63.6% of NBA coaches had never played in the NBA and 51.5% had never played pro ball on any level.
Ask the Van Gundys, or Spoelstra or Pops or Vogel or Casey or one of many others if NBA experience or uberathleticism is necessary to be a successful NBA coach. Chuck Daley and Red fricken Aurbach never played professionally. Neither did Coach K. (Yes, I know. Different eras.....college coach.....the point is still relevant).

 

[trojanfan12]

Eh. Debatable. Regardless, it still doesn't mean a woman can't coach a team effectively. Even the NBA still requires systems and strategies. Jr High teams can run similar game plans to what the NBA does. Physical capabilities don't have to do with coaching abilities.

According to Forbes, in 2018 63.6% of NBA coaches had never played in the NBA and 51.5% had never played pro ball on any level.
Ask the Van Gundys, or Spoelstra or Pops or Vogel or Casey or one of many others if NBA experience or uberathleticism is necessary to be a successful NBA coach. Chuck Daley and Red fricken Aurbach never played professionally. Neither did Coach K. (Yes, I know. Different eras.....college coach.....the point is still relevant).

And most of the former players who were great coaches, were not great players. They were guys who relied on fundamentals, technique and strategy to be able to compete at that level.

 

[CitySushi]

As I explained. She had no NBA coaching experience, she had no NCAA experience with male players, she had no high school experience with male players. No more need be said. Popovich is the king of PC and is a fanatical liberal. Just wanted to make his statement.

Kerr had less credentials to coach than Hammon.

Other head coaches with no experiencing head coaching collegiate males:

Rick Carlisle
Luke Walton
Erik Spolestra
Ty Lue
Frank Vogel
Steve Nash
Doc Rivers

etc....

The level of idiocy you bring to the table is quite impressive.

 

[msgkings322]

As I explained. She had no NBA coaching experience, she had no NCAA experience with male players, she had no high school experience with male players. No more need be said. Popovich is the king of PC and is a fanatical liberal. Just wanted to make his statement.

Is it your contention that women should not be allowed to coach in the NBA?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Actually no it isn't, ask Magic Johnson. Great players almost never make good coaches. Larry Bird is the only exception I can think of in basketball.

Kerr? hes not greats but certainly solid.

Actually no it isn't, ask Magic Johnson. Great players almost never make good coaches. Larry Bird is the only exception I can think of in basketball.

Jerry Sloan barely had any assistant coaching experience before becoming a head coach. Steve Kerr. JAson Kidd. Lenny Wilkins.

My point is that you definitely dont need to sit on a bench as an assistant to be an NBA head coach.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Eh. Debatable. Regardless, it still doesn't mean a woman can't coach a team effectively. Even the NBA still requires systems and strategies. Jr High teams can run similar game plans to what the NBA does. Physical capabilities don't have to do with coaching abilities.

According to Forbes, in 2018 63.6% of NBA coaches had never played in the NBA and 51.5% had never played pro ball on any level.
Ask the Van Gundys, or Spoelstra or Pops or Vogel or Casey or one of many others if NBA experience or uberathleticism is necessary to be a successful NBA coach. Chuck Daley and Red fricken Aurbach never played professionally. Neither did Coach K. (Yes, I know. Different eras.....college coach.....the point is still relevant).

yah there are definitely different ways you can do it.

its the same with anything.

I mean John Lynch became a GM with very little experience--- and then you have guys who are just ivy league guys who never picked up a football.

my point is that there are certainly different ways to do it and different back grounds many people come from for these jobs.

 

[msgkings322]

Kerr? hes not greats but certainly solid.

Jerry Sloan barely had any assistant coaching experience before becoming a head coach. Steve Kerr. JAson Kidd. Lenny Wilkins.

My point is that you definitely dont need to sit on a bench as an assistant to be an NBA head coach.

And my point was great players almost never make good coaches. Is Kerr even good? Kidd?

 

[Montalban]

It is fact.

And if Becky Hammon’s playing experience doesn’t qualify her to coach men because the game is so “different”, then by that logic no man is qualified to coach women either.

But that would obviously be a ridiculous argument because men coach women all the time.

Again, ridiculous. A, a PHD student could go back to elementary school and excel but an elementary school student could not do well in grad school. That's how big the difference is