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I’m Done with WVU, the BLM sticker is the straw that broke the camels back.

Really hoped that we got a decent explanation when came to VK but... never happened and now embracing a domestic terrorist group similar to the KKK?

In the words of Rosa Parks “nah”.

I’ll be searching for a new school/team this year if the PC stuff doesn’t get rampant all over, if it does then just like pro sports I’ll be done with CFB as well.

I’ll check in on you goons from time to time and hope n pray to my Christian God that all is well with the lot of ya.


All the best, your pal GR
 

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Why would you quote something you say Rosa Parks allegedly said? You know she was protesting, don’t you?
 

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I agree with you about the BLM Organization being Marxist, when I seen them a few years ago in Minnesota saying they want "pigs in a blanket, what do we want? dead cops, when do we want them? NOW!!" That was enough for me.

I don't think most of the people that are standing on the corner saying BLM are talking about the Marxist Organization, but a movement that they feel truly passionate about. While I may not agree with them 100%, I do see their point, I can't pretend to feel 100% or understand 100% of what they feel, without being black, you can not put yourself into their shoes. It is important to listen to them and try to understand where they are coming from, as best as you can.

I don't believe America is a Racist society, is there racism, absolutely, in all races. Was Talking with a black friend of mine, explained to him how when I was brought up there were no blacks in my school till JR High then only about 2, in high school there may have been a dozen. I was told at a young age how blacks would steal, burn houses down, r*pe the white women, were dirty, that put a fear of them in me that lasted a long time, made me Racist for a long time. Same way with gays, always heard all of them was child rapist. Was very prejudice against them to. At 16 I got my drivers licence and got a job as a dish washer, the place turned out to be a gay hangout after dark. I got to work with many blacks, guess what? almost all of them were great hard working people, nothing like I had been taught, slowly my eyes opened, I started seeing them different. I can't say I'm 100% free from being a Racist, but I like to think I'm 99.99% free from it. I try to treat everyone they way I want to be treated. My friend told me the same thing, he said his Grandma always told him to watch out for the white Man, he would r*pe the black girls, beat the black men, steal their crops so they would starve in the winter, he said he was afraid of white people for a long time till he got around some and figured out we all weren't like that. The bottom line is FEAR is what makes people racist, it is time for all to learn about different races and get over their fears. There is good and bad in every race.

I don't think for a moment the football team is supporting a Marxist organization, but a movement that they feel strongly about. The black people in this country should not have to be afraid for their lives.

We need to overcome our fears!!
 

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I agree with you about the BLM Organization being Marxist, when I seen them a few years ago in Minnesota saying they want "pigs in a blanket, what do we want? dead cops, when do we want them? NOW!!" That was enough for me.

I don't think most of the people that are standing on the corner saying BLM are talking about the Marxist Organization, but a movement that they feel truly passionate about. While I may not agree with them 100%, I do see their point, I can't pretend to feel 100% or understand 100% of what they feel, without being black, you can not put yourself into their shoes. It is important to listen to them and try to understand where they are coming from, as best as you can.

I don't believe America is a Racist society, is there racism, absolutely, in all races. Was Talking with a black friend of mine, explained to him how when I was brought up there were no blacks in my school till JR High then only about 2, in high school there may have been a dozen. I was told at a young age how blacks would steal, burn houses down, r*pe the white women, were dirty, that put a fear of them in me that lasted a long time, made me Racist for a long time. Same way with gays, always heard all of them was child rapist. Was very prejudice against them to. At 16 I got my drivers licence and got a job as a dish washer, the place turned out to be a gay hangout after dark. I got to work with many blacks, guess what? almost all of them were great hard working people, nothing like I had been taught, slowly my eyes opened, I started seeing them different. I can't say I'm 100% free from being a Racist, but I like to think I'm 99.99% free from it. I try to treat everyone they way I want to be treated. My friend told me the same thing, he said his Grandma always told him to watch out for the white Man, he would r*pe the black girls, beat the black men, steal their crops so they would starve in the winter, he said he was afraid of white people for a long time till he got around some and figured out we all weren't like that. The bottom line is FEAR is what makes people racist, it is time for all to learn about different races and get over their fears. There is good and bad in every race.

I don't think for a moment the football team is supporting a Marxist organization, but a movement that they feel strongly about. The black people in this country should not have to be afraid for their lives.

We need to overcome our fears!!


If I were to wear a nazi/KKK T-shirt/hat ect and claim that I didn’t support the organization just what some of it stands for would that fly?

No and it shouldn’t. WVU is a PC haven supporting terrible anti Christian and anti American groups and I want no part of it.
Furthermore I also want my tax dollars to cease flowing into that university.

#defundWVU.
 

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GoldRusher, I gotta give you credit man. You're being honest, and letting anyone who gives a shit to know your stance.

The one thing about this shitty year, the true colors of some of us have come to light. I always knew there were people who thought quite differently than me on many different issues.

I never knew how many of these people there were before this year. It's been quite an eye opener. I'm not really sure what to do with it easier. I feel it will be difficult for me to walk things back to how I perceived someone before this release. I'm not sure how to get past a lot of the anger I have, and what it will take to resolve it... I don't know if it can be resolved.

IMO... it's beyond imagination that anyone such as yourself would claim that BLM is a domestic terrorist group. It is also beyond my imagination to think that kids wanting to support the BLM movement are advocating violence or racial hatred.

BLM is not on a single terrorist organization list. It's movement is important. All of us should be appalled at the treatment of black Americans by the police and courts.

I'm an old white guy. I have no idea what it's like to be a woman. I have no idea what it's like to feel threatened by men... to face sexual harassment... to be sexually assaulted.

I'm an old white guy. I have no idea what it's like to be black. I have no idea how scary it must be to be pulled over by the police. I have no idea what it's like to go through life in fear of making a wrong move, and this mistake resulting in the end of my life.

We have a president that supports the KKK. He supports Nazi's and other white supremacists. He has no issue supporting Confederate hero's and supporting the Confederate battle flag.

The NCAA understood the necessity of allowing kids to address the civil distress impacting our country this summer. I believe allowing these kids to express their emotional connection... to simply place a sticker on their helmet... should be supported by every single American.

Black Lives Matter. All lives matter. But, we cannot ignore the racial differences in treatment by some of the country's police forces.

I am embarrassed for you GoldRusher. Not that it means anything to you. But, you represent a number of other people I feel exactly the same way about. And, that makes me sad. I find all of this very disturbing.
 

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Everyone telling us how they feel...I like it!... with all the bullshit we talk on here for as long as we have...and never meeting each other means their is a level of respect and trust about each others opinions...good stuff!!...

Its amazing our environment...I keep quoting from the movie Draft Day...We live in a different world than we did just 5 minutes ago...

Mike was mentioning when how he grew up... I guess I was somewhat naive to it all.....so here's a boring story...believe it or not..my fat ass was pretty fast back in the day...State 100 and 200 meter champion...both High School and Junior Olympics... We played on a Thursday (Clarksburg Notre Dame) and I had the chance to venture over on Friday to Hite Field , my girlfriend at the time went to Clarksburg Liberty and was the Head Majorette and felt as a GREAT boyfriend I would show up to support!..BBW you remember her...had her pic in my dorm in college..anyhow...went to the bathroom and when I turned around from the Urinal I had 8 Black Guys from W.I. surrounding me...one asked me if I was the guy that set the County Record for the 100 meters in the Spring...I said I was...and he said I beat him that day and he was pissed because he knew he was set to break the record....so he gave me two options....either he and the 7 other guys were going to beat the living shit out of me right there...OR...I could join him and two of the other guys and form a relay team ..Surprisingly I chose option two...knowing full well that I was probably going to get laid for showing up to the game and why blow that just for pride !?:lol:

Anyhow we went on to set the AAU 4x100 and 4x200 State and Regional records and those guys became extremely close friends.it may have been different story if I didn't run track and never knowing them...Notre Dame was an "All White" School..The first time 'I THINK" I ever even saw a hint of racism, we were playing University High in Morgantown and at that time there was a significant black student population...Both Teams ranked...we were #1 Single A and they I think a the time #5 Double A...we won the game in OT and a fight took place in the middle of the field..when we finally went to the locker room and were heading to the bus we were surrounded by half the student population and had to be escorted out of Morgantown by the State Police..people spitting and throwing bottles or whatever they could find...

My family goes back three generations in Pittsburgh and I don't really remember any racial tensions...but fair to say I would just spend the summers up there and have no idea what the High Schools were like..

Even in College in our Fraternity we had several African American guys, one was my roommate for a year..and to this day are my brothers....so short story long I never really saw or understood the pain and persecution growing up or chose to ignore and not believe what is more than clear to me today about racism...not sure in West Virginia that they really dove too deep in school about racism...well its all out in the open now...and just not the BLM movement...The TRUMPERS who have finally had their voices heard and how incredibly pissed off they are is AMAZING to me...

Just can't understand....(Naivety Again I guess)....Why this POTUS won't call for unity and calm...why continue to divide this nation...and find away to blame everyone but the dude in the mirror..even if he doesn't want to take any accountability who cares..I believe it would have all come to an end quickly...Antifa, KKK., BLM all the the letters of the alphabet would all go quietly into the night...saying your sending in The National Guard takes us back to Alabama in the 60's and throws gasoline on the fire.....have we as a society gone back in time?...all for what exactly?:puzzled: What does a win look like right now?...

I know its put me on the defensive here at work...I believe I am fortunate that I have an extremely diversified workforce, but I have had to furlough several people...and I am scrutinized on every move about "optics"...sad....

Do I believe I have any racism running through my veins?.. I am not sure what the definition is anymore after what we have all witnessed....I guess the answer is yes if I am guilty of not being in support of Looting and Burning ....I think a protest losses its message when shit like that happens.or when individuals use these times to gain some kind of advantage because they feel entitled....But my definition is not seeing color ..seeing the person in front of me as a MAN or a WOMAN that deserves my respect until they don't...so I don't believe I am...

IMHO we are better than whats going on in this country as a people...we should all recognize there is a lot of hurt and animosity and find a way to meet in the middle..

SLATON10's DIATRIBE OF THE DAY!...
 
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Education, education, education.

It's more than fear. It is not taking the time to even attempt to understand a culture or someone who is different than you. Slanton went on to run with guys he didn't know. Those guys stacked the deck when they approached him but the end result was a group of guys running. Not a White guy or 2 and a few Black dudes. It was about getting the best, regardless of color, economic situation, or whatever.

Rusher, I admit, I would go read some of the items in the Political thread and then shake my head as I am not part or akin to any of that thinking. There were times I thought about leaving this site due to the stupidity that went on there. Then I would think, why do that? The main reason I came to this site was for the WVU discussions. Unfortunately, I came across some of your blatant racial undertone posts which you have now brought here twice. I was going to troll you heavy but decided not to do so as every one has the right to their opinions, but yours are over the top. To think I thought that here is a guy who is slightly older than me, still runs, and jokes around. The only thing that I can think, now, is that you have a few of those shirts your referred to in your earlier post in your closet. IF that is the way you feel, who am I to change your opinion?

I know some of you guys are Vets as was my Father. A proud serviceman who loved the military without reproach. He was one of many that were spit on upon his return from Vietnam. The silent kneeling during the National Anthem had nothing to do with the flag, the military, or disrespect of America. Leaving whatever you feel about Kaepernick out of it, attempt to understand why it was done. To protest police abuse against Blacks in America. The message was hijacked by our current President. The same guy who was able to get a deferment from having to serve in the military that he says he loves so much that he will even activate the regular army against the people of this country in a non-wartime period of our lives. Think about it. The regular military. I have to laugh when BLM and Black Panthers are classified as a terrorist organization.

So shameful how ignorant we are of each other as a country.
 

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I'm a Trump supporter, does that mean I think he can do no wrong and I agree with everything he says and does, Hell No!! But this progressive wing in the Democrat Party has lost me. I was a life long registered Democrat till 2016. I like to think of myself of a Libertarian now, i don't want anything from the government and I don't want them to take anything from me to give to someone else. I grew up poor, remember eating the last potato out of the garden and no meat, wondering if we would have a meal the next day. My dad was a hard worker and someway he would find a way for the next meal. Working night and day. I don't know the definition of White privilege all the progressives keep talking about, I have worked hard like my dad my entire life to get anything I have, I have never asked for a handout. Guess in the end my dad did well for himself, he started his own business the same year I graduated from high school, The year after I went to work for him, and let me tell you, it is easier to work for someone else than family. I worked for about half of what I would have made elsewhere and put in twice the time. In the end none of my brothers or sister could cut working for family, but I had also set myself up, he could not sell the business because I would not go with it. So he walked out one day and I took over but pay him $3500 a month rent for the building. Not a bad retirement for an 8th grade drop out from Mathias, WV $3500 plus SS is a nice living retirement.
 

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I totally agree about not having the military in our streets. I have many members of my family that are vets and are active duty, But I don't think we need military in a police function. I can't stand the kneeling during the anthem, I just think if they took a knee before or after, I could be completely on board. I don't care how bad things are in this country, every race is still treated better here than any other country.
 

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I don't see anything GR wrote in this post that was racist. I disagreed with him but it still was not racist in my opinion. Someone who is saying it is, show me where I'm missing it please. Could be he just has a different opinion, could be I'm naive on the subject and just don't see it.
 

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I'm a Trump supporter, does that mean I think he can do no wrong and I agree with everything he says and does, Hell No!! But this progressive wing in the Democrat Party has lost me. I was a life long registered Democrat till 2016. I like to think of myself of a Libertarian now, i don't want anything from the government and I don't want them to take anything from me to give to someone else. I grew up poor, remember eating the last potato out of the garden and no meat, wondering if we would have a meal the next day. My dad was a hard worker and someway he would find a way for the next meal. Working night and day. I don't know the definition of White privilege all the progressives keep talking about, I have worked hard like my dad my entire life to get anything I have, I have never asked for a handout. Guess in the end my dad did well for himself, he started his own business the same year I graduated from high school, The year after I went to work for him, and let me tell you, it is easier to work for someone else than family. I worked for about half of what I would have made elsewhere and put in twice the time. In the end none of my brothers or sister could cut working for family, but I had also set myself up, he could not sell the business because I would not go with it. So he walked out one day and I took over but pay him $3500 a month rent for the building. Not a bad retirement for an 8th grade drop out from Mathias, WV $3500 plus SS is a nice living retirement.
Great story and I’m being serious. Your story is very similar to guys I know who are/were inner city kids, mainly Black, but some White. Heat and electricity shutoff, going to bed hungry, not sure what the future held for them or their family. There ate many parallels.

White privilege doesn’t mean you’re handed things. Let’s take your story and add being stopped on the street while walking or driving down the street because of your Color. The same stop because you “don’t look like you belong here” or “I stopped you because you fit the description of someone”. Being followed in stores because you might steal something. Being denied housing because you’re Black. The things you mentioned in your other post just because you are Black, gay, Mexican, etc. The items you may take for granted are items others do not get a “pass”. Things you were taught early in life, only to find out they are not true in all cases. There is bad out there in every color, shape, and form. Just a few examples.
 

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To be honest, my grandson just started there, a freshman. He is in a dorm with a friend he knew from high school. I understand that they want to give the freshmen the “whole campus experience” whereas there are more restrictions put on the upperclassmen or so I have been told. Virtual classes for some.
He’s a really good kid, and not just because he’s my grandson. Interesting, intelligent and extremely polite. He was raised in a very good home with loving and very well to do parents who taught him a lot about life. And politics.
I understand that everyone has an opinion based on their experiences and there ideals. But my one hope is that he is not swayed by groups that would lead him to believe in extreme left ideas or to make him bigoted or teach him to hate.
I know that when he is on his own that he will have to make certain decisions. I just hope he makes the right ones for his well being.
The last thing he said to me when I saw him was, “Pap, I will work hard there.”
 

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I totally agree about not having the military in our streets. I have many members of my family that are vets and are active duty, But I don't think we need military in a police function. I can't stand the kneeling during the anthem, I just think if they took a knee before or after, I could be completely on board. I don't care how bad things are in this country, every race is still treated better here than any other country.
I have no issues with the National Guard, but we are placing those guys in a compromising position.

If a knee wasn’t taken, it wouldn’t force a discussion. This Country was founded with the start of a protest. Looking back, it was somewhat violent and I’m not talking about the Civil War. The Boston Tea Party is an example of looting and destroying property. But that gets overlooked because we weren’t around during that time. Every change in this Country started with a protest and mostly against the “Establishment”.

“One Nation, under God, with Liberty, and Justice for All” doesn’t apply to All. If it is for All, then we shouldn’t have to say Races here are treated better than in other countries. All should be treated equal but systemic racism, whether you believe in it or not, has not provided the “justice for all”. Doc Rivers comment of “We keep loving this country and this country doesn’t love us back” speaks volume. Look throughout history, but it isn’t taught.
 

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I don't see anything GR wrote in this post that was racist. I disagreed with him but it still was not racist in my opinion. Someone who is saying it is, show me where I'm missing it please. Could be he just has a different opinion, could be I'm naive on the subject and just don't see it.
His post wasn’t racist but it is ironic that he would use Rosa Parks, who protested for Black rights, as his example for his protest against WVU for WVU participating in social change. There are other posts GR made that would raise suspicion whether he already had those t-shirts he mentioned in his closet.
 

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To be honest, my grandson just started there, a freshman. He is in a dorm with a friend he knew from high school. I understand that they want to give the freshmen the “whole campus experience” whereas there are more restrictions put on the upperclassmen or so I have been told. Virtual classes for some.
He’s a really good kid, and not just because he’s my grandson. Interesting, intelligent and extremely polite. He was raised in a very good home with loving and very well to do parents who taught him a lot about life. And politics.
I understand that everyone has an opinion based on their experiences and there ideals. But my one hope is that he is not swayed by groups that would lead him to believe in extreme left ideas or to make him bigoted or teach him to hate.
I know that when he is on his own that he will have to make certain decisions. I just hope he makes the right ones for his well being.
The last thing he said to me when I saw him was, “Pap, I will work hard there.”
I wish your grandson nothing but the best during his days at WVU. Hopefully he will open his mind even further and guide this country to what is best for all. From your post, I will assume that you feel BLM is the extreme Left and you are extreme Right? I don’t believe you’re extreme Right, but may be one who feel these protest should end?
 

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I wish your grandson nothing but the best during his days at WVU. Hopefully he will open his mind even further and guide this country to what is best for all. From your post, I will assume that you feel BLM is the extreme Left and you are extreme Right? I don’t believe you’re extreme Right, but may be one who feel these protest should end?
Didn’t mean to imply that I thought that the BLM, especially the ones that really are being abused by rogue cops, are the extreme left. I am not that much into politics and I do like blacks, most. But you must admit there are bad and good just as there are bad white people also. But sooner or later we all know that the protests, peaceful or otherwise, must end. It will just take some time and I think there may be more deaths associated with it before it is over.
 

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Ok, it is time ole dad has to chime in. I am pretty well colorblind, there are good and bad people of every race and nationality, as I travel, I meet and work with many different people from many different cultures. I feel a special love for the young people who have grown up with the failed policies of the government that have destroyed family, especially among the poor. Now onto what may get some people mad at me,, I get support for people who have been abused by bad cops, those cops need to be fired. But the whole defund the police movement is utterly ridiculous, saying defund all cops is exactly like saying all black people are thugs!!! If the wvu football team wants to show support for what they see as an injustice, great, but choose a way that doesn't use the title of a terrorist organization just because that title sounds good!!!! The organization called BLM is the same as the KKK, they put one race above others, and use violence and intimidation against innocent people as their tool. I personally believe that lives matter, God loves each and every one, and not one life matters any more or less than any other!!!
 

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I’m Done with WVU, the BLM sticker is the straw that broke the camels back.

Really hoped that we got a decent explanation when came to VK but... never happened and now embracing a domestic terrorist group similar to the KKK?

In the words of Rosa Parks “nah”.

I’ll be searching for a new school/team this year if the PC stuff doesn’t get rampant all over, if it does then just like pro sports I’ll be done with CFB as well.

I’ll check in on you goons from time to time and hope n pray to my Christian God that all is well with the lot of ya.


All the best, your pal GR

Like all things liberal - it’s a phase. They’ll be onto the next thing soon.

Either that or we’ll have transgender players next year. :noidea:

Who knows at this point.
 

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Ok, it is time ole dad has to chime in. I am pretty well colorblind, there are good and bad people of every race and nationality, as I travel, I meet and work with many different people from many different cultures. I feel a special love for the young people who have grown up with the failed policies of the government that have destroyed family, especially among the poor. Now onto what may get some people mad at me,, I get support for people who have been abused by bad cops, those cops need to be fired. But the whole defund the police movement is utterly ridiculous, saying defund all cops is exactly like saying all black people are thugs!!! If the wvu football team wants to show support for what they see as an injustice, great, but choose a way that doesn't use the title of a terrorist organization just because that title sounds good!!!! The organization called BLM is the same as the KKK, they put one race above others, and use violence and intimidation against innocent people as their tool. I personally believe that lives matter, God loves each and every one, and not one life matters any more or less than any other!!!
Defunding the police doesn’t mean dismantling the police, albeit there are probably a few that could use a major overhaul. All it means is looking at the police budget and removing funds that are earmarked for police forces and directing that money to other departments or professions that may be better suited to perform that task rather than a police officer. This country has placed responsibility on police officers that they are not equipped to do. Similar to teachers. This pandemic has opened the eyes of many parents who had to be more involved in their child’s education.

BLM isn’t placing race above others. Not sure how you equate them to a terrorist organization, but that also seems to be the latest rhetoric going around. All it means is for YOU to say All Lives Matter, YOU need to recognize that BLM in order for that to happen. I don’t agree with all the tactics being used, but I also don’t agree with what has happened through history that placed everyone in this position.
 

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Defunding the police doesn’t mean dismantling the police, albeit there are probably a few that could use a major overhaul. All it means is looking at the police budget and removing funds that are earmarked for police forces and directing that money to other departments or professions that may be better suited to perform that task rather than a police officer. This country has placed responsibility on police officers that they are not equipped to do. Similar to teachers. This pandemic has opened the eyes of many parents who had to be more involved in their child’s education.

BLM isn’t placing race above others. Not sure how you equate them to a terrorist organization, but that also seems to be the latest rhetoric going around. All it means is for YOU to say All Lives Matter, YOU need to recognize that BLM in order for that to happen. I don’t agree with all the tactics being used, but I also don’t agree with what has happened through history that placed everyone in this position.
Brother, defunding the police means shutting down the department, not a line item veto......and standing in a freeway blocking traffic, pulling random people out of their trucks and beating them because they are white is indeed a terrorist act.
 
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