The 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Shanemansj13]

OR maybe they deal for him if they don't get the OT they want.

Might be more inclined to get Peters.....would cost less in money and assets to give up for him. Guess depends what Calahan thinks, as well.

Yeah definitely. As far as Peters, still a good option but he is like 38, on his last limb. Trent is only 32, I feel like he can be more productive. Either way I would like a veteran OT if they can't get Thomas, Wills or Wirfs

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah definitely. As far as Peters, still a good option but he is like 38, on his last limb. Trent is only 32, I feel like he can be more productive. Either way I would like a veteran OT if they can't get Thomas, Wills or Wirfs

agree, but assuming Williams needs to be paid close to $15 mil or more, tough to pay him, Tretter, Bitonio AND Conklin big money. I doubt he'd last more than a couple years here either way.

 

[Shanemansj13]

agree, but assuming Williams needs to be paid close to $15 mil or more, tough to pay him, Teller, Bitonio AND Conklin big money. I doubt he'd last more than a couple years here either way.

Peters was getting around $9M last year...not sure how much he wants but for a guy 7 years younger I will pay him an extra $6M. Trent can still possibly be one of the best OT's in the game...Peters might retire next season. Huge difference imo. Really just depends if Trent wants long-term...I'm sure he does with how WAS played out so that means he probably has 2-3 years at least.

The Browns have the cap especially if this will be their only other FA signing/trade...they will just have to sign draft picks. If they frontload the contract it will only help with future spending as well. I think they are estimated to have like $120M+ next year in cap lol

 

[dtgold88]

Peters was getting around $9M last year...not sure how much he wants but for a guy 7 years younger I will pay him an extra $6M. Trent can still possibly be one of the best OT's in the game...Peters might retire next season. Huge difference imo. Really just depends if Trent wants long-term...I'm sure he does with how WAS played out so that means he probably has 2-3 years at least.

The Browns have the cap especially if this will be their only other FA signing/trade...they will just have to sign draft picks. If they frontload the contract it will only help with future spending as well. I think they are estimated to have like $120M+ next year in cap lol

Who knows what the cap will be next year....especially if no season or a season with no fans in stands.

Only reason they can spend what they do is cap carryover. Spend it and they have less next year.

 

[Across The Field]

We don't really KNOW what most guys will be......But most had Peppers going where he did while many seem to think Simmons is much better. He's also bigger and as fast or faster than Peppers.

I mean, if the Ravens could only draft one from among Ray Lewis and Ogden who do you think they would have taken? It's a no-brainer to me.

I wouldn't necessarily lump this guy as a tweener like, say, Derrick Williams who many thought might not be good enough to play SF or PF.

Of course we don't know, but I think it's riskier to take a guy with an undefined position than one who has excelled at one, especially in the top 10. There are some high quality LBs in this draft that I'd much rather take later.

 

[dtgold88]

Of course we don't know, but I think it's riskier to take a guy with an undefined position than one who has excelled at one, especially in the top 10. There are some high quality LBs in this draft that I'd much rather take later.

Agree....but IF they believe he is an elite LB who could also play other positions I'd take him....and seems some do believe this. Question is does anyone who matters believe it.

I think I'd rather have Simmons than taking who I perceived to be my 3-4th choice at OT if that is what it comes down to for them.

 

[cwalke3408]

An anonymous NFL executive in personnel told the Athletic's Bob McGinn that Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons is "the most overrated player in the draft."
NFL coaches and general managers prefer certitude, and that's nearly impossible to come by as it pertains to Simmons' role. In a poll of 16 executives asking what they thought his best position would be in the NFL, 10 replied weak-side linebacker, three said nickel linebacker, one said outside linebacker and two said safety. “If you put this guy at sam linebacker only, he’s going to struggle,” said an AFC executive. “If you put him at free safety only, he’s going to struggle. You’ve got to be creative." A two-year starting hybrid specialist who earned the 2019 Dick Butkus Award as the nation’s top linebacker, Simmons played snaps at linebacker, safety, and nickel corner in college, allowing merely 5.6 yards per target given his elite sideline-to-sideline coverage skills. It would be wise for front offices to avoid pigeonholing him into any type of role, instead allowing him to roam free and naturally create plays at the next level.

"An anonymous NFL executive" Meh, smells like smoke. His only reasons is because he would struggle at Free Safety and at Sam, two positions no team is planing to use him in. I can understand teams needing to fill up more spots on the roster but at 238 lbs who runs a 4.38, he's not dropping out the top 12. He gives the option for a team to be flexible but it's not necessary, you can stick him at WILL, Nickel Linebacker, Strong Safety and Simmons will be just fine in those positions.

 

[cwalke3408]

Breaking Down the WILL Linebacker in Gus Bradley's 4-3 Defense

Prototype
Build: Size is far less of a consideration for a WILL backer than it would be for either the SAM or MIKE positions. He’s generally going to be around 5’10” – 6’0” tall, weigh 215-230 pounds, and be built more like an oversized free safety than a prototypical linebacker. He is generally leaner than the other linebackers and will be narrower through the shoulders and hips so he can adeptly navigate traffic, penetrate the line and make plays on the ball.

Athleticism: To (sort of) steal a line from one of my favorite movies, the WILL is usually built more for speed than for power. That is to say, of the three linebackers, teams generally value quick-twitch athleticism, speed, fluid footwork and a seamless ability to change direction in their WILL linebackers. He is definitely the best athlete among the linebackers and, in some cases, might be the best athlete on the defense because he needs to be able to cover the most ground in every direction.

Intangibles: Great WILL linebackers are defined by one thing – their instincts. They have to be able to read the offensive line, know where the ball is going, and get to his “spot” before the ball carrier does. He also has to be able to anticipate route combinations and make plays in the passing game.

If you looking for WILL (Weak side) LB, Simmons is your guy.

 

[mcnabb7542]

"An anonymous NFL executive" Meh, smells like smoke. His only reasons is because he would struggle at Free Safety and at Sam, two positions no team is planing to use him in. I can understand teams needing to fill up more spots on the roster but at 238 lbs who runs a 4.38, he's not dropping out the top 12. He gives the option for a team to be flexible but it's not necessary, you can stick him at WILL, Nickel Linebacker, Strong Safety and Simmons will be just fine in those positions.

He is Shaq Thompson when Thompson came into the league and Carolina drafted him.
They can build him the way they feel fit in who ever's defense drafts him!

 

[mcnabb7542]

All right lets go bold predictions here :

I say Tua falls

 

[THUNDER]

All right lets go bold predictions here :

I say Tua falls

Falls from where, to where?
He's been projected from #2 down to mid teens.

 

[Shanemansj13]

He is Shaq Thompson when Thompson came into the league and Carolina drafted him.
They can build him the way they feel fit in who ever's defense drafts him!

Not buying the overrated label for Simmons. If a team likes the way he fits their defense they will draft him or trade up to draft him. He won't fall past 10, I actually think he won't get past 7.

 

[Across The Field]

Agree....but IF they believe he is an elite LB who could also play other positions I'd take him....and seems some do believe this. Question is does anyone who matters believe it.

I think I'd rather have Simmons than taking who I perceived to be my 3-4th choice at OT if that is what it comes down to for them.

I'd agree with that. If their top 2 choices at OT are gone, that's when I'm getting on the horn.

 

[cwalke3408]

My best guess is either Chargers, Panthers or Raiders (trade up) will grab Simmons

 

[Shanemansj13]

My best guess is either Chargers, Panthers or Raiders (trade up) will grab Simmons

I agree I would put the Jags in there as well but I think they could grab a DT.

 

[DJ]

Can't wait for Thursday....

 

[DJ]

My best guess is either Chargers, Panthers or Raiders (trade up) will grab Simmons

I would prefer Simmons over a WR. in the 1st round...especially in this WR deep draft.

 

[DJ]

"An anonymous NFL executive" Meh, smells like smoke. His only reasons is because he would struggle at Free Safety and at Sam, two positions no team is planing to use him in. I can understand teams needing to fill up more spots on the roster but at 238 lbs who runs a 4.38, he's not dropping out the top 12. He gives the option for a team to be flexible but it's not necessary, you can stick him at WILL, Nickel Linebacker, Strong Safety and Simmons will be just fine in those positions.

This.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Rumors: Buy or Sell?

Leonard Fournette a Trade Candidate - Buy

Lions Conflicted at No. 3 - Buy

Broncos Targeting Jerry Jeudy on Trade Up - Buy

D'Andre Swift a More 'Well-Rounded' Prospect Than Dalvin Cook - Sell

Tua Off 2 Teams' Boards Because of Injuries - Buy. Injuries are always a concern, I would venture to say it is more than two and he dropped on some as well.

Tua's Wonderlic Score Creates Concern - Sell. Now that we know it is 19 that isn't a concern.

Patriots Could Pursue Tua - Sell. I just don't see it unless he drops out of the top 10.

Only 1 RB Will Be Drafted in the 1st Round - Buy. I could see Swift being picked in the 1st but I could realistically see none being picked.

 

[cwalke3408]

I would prefer Simmons over a WR. in the 1st round...especially in this WR deep draft.

Clemson became Raider fans after last year's draft, so here's to hoping Simmons lands in Vegas

But I'm not sure if he falls to #12, would you be ok with Raiders trying to trade up for Simmons?