2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[flyerhawk]

He's going to look great in that 76ers uniform once we use him to trade for Embiid.

LOL.

The Sixers may trade Embiid someday but they ain't doing it for Andrew Wiggins.

 

[CitySushi]

 

[msgkings322]

Did you really just use Durant as an example of a player that rejuvenated their career when they went to Golden State?

Who knows how Wiggins will ultimately fare in Golden State but he is getting an awful lot of money for a guy that needs to turn it around.

You are normally smarter than this. Are you aware of the financial situation the Ws were in when KD wanted to leave? And how bringing in a huge contract was all they could do other than lose him for nothing?

And yes, Durant was never more efficient or better on defense than when he was a Warrior.

 

[CitySushi]

Warriors offer Wiggins, 2020 1st Rd Pick, 2021 Wolves Pick, 2022 1st Rd Pick and a couple 2nd rounders for Embiid.

Warriors will then have successfully flipped Andre Iguodala and a 2024 1st round draft pick essentially for Embiid.

CHESS NOT CHECKERS.

 

[msgkings322]

LOL.

The Sixers may trade Embiid someday but they ain't doing it for Andrew Wiggins.

We're throwing in Looney too and at LEAST one second round pick. Don't be greedy

 

[msgkings322]

did DLo look better in GS than he did with the Nets? And Durant? Really?

DLo I'm not as sure. Durant definitely

 

[dtgold88]

You are normally smarter than this. Are you aware of the financial situation the Ws were in when KD wanted to leave? And how bringing in a huge contract was all they could do other than lose him for nothing?

And yes, Durant was never more efficient or better on defense than when he was a Warrior.

did he imply it was dumb to get something for KD?

 

[msgkings322]

did he imply it was dumb to get something for KD?

Yes by saying Wiggins was overpaid. They were overjoyed to overpay DLo, and now Wiggins, because if they didn't they would have no one and still be capped out

 

[flyerhawk]

You are normally smarter than this. Are you aware of the financial situation the Ws were in when KD wanted to leave? And how bringing in a huge contract was all they could do other than lose him for nothing?

I am very much aware of all of that. Not sure what any of that has to do with anything I said.

And yes, Durant was never more efficient or better on defense than when he was a Warrior.

You realize he won an MVP in OKC, right?

 

[dtgold88]

DLo I'm not as sure. Durant definitely

Durant was pretty good in OKC.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes by saying Wiggins was overpaid. They were overjoyed to overpay DLo, and now Wiggins, because if they didn't they would have no one and still be capped out

You got Russell for Durant. That was a smart move. And maybe trading for Wiggins will turn out to be a smart move. But there Wiggins has been 6 years of frustrating for the Wolves. His inconsistency and lack of aggression have be constant issues for him. Maybe he will turn it around. Maybe he won't. But you have 4 more years of him at 30 mill a year. If he doesn't, that's a lot of coin weighing the team down.

I don't fault the Warriors for doing it. Seems like a smart move. But it comes with considerable risk.

 

[CitySushi]

I am very much aware of all of that. Not sure what any of that has to do with anything I said.



You realize he won an MVP in OKC, right?

Yeah, I'm with you guys on here. I think what MSG is trying to allude to is that Durant was potentially at his most deadly with the Warriors. Efficiency is arguable, but he definitely had more opportunity to thrive with GSW than he did with OKC.

D'Lo I would argue wasn't really better in GSW than Brooklyn. GSW obviously was decimated with injuries and D'Lo played well, but I don't see any evidence to think he was better with GSW.

 

[flyerhawk]

DLo I'm not as sure. Durant definitely

This is probably the most homeristic thing you have ever said.

 

[CitySushi]

You got Russell for Durant. That was a smart move. And maybe trading for Wiggins will turn out to be a smart move. But there Wiggins has been 6 years of frustrating for the Wolves. His inconsistency and lack of aggression have be constant issues for him. Maybe he will turn it around. Maybe he won't. But you have 4 more years of him at 30 mill a year. If he doesn't, that's a lot of coin weighing the team down.

I don't fault the Warriors for doing it. Seems like a smart move. But it comes with considerable risk.

Yeah the Warriors are going to banking hard on 3 things:

1) Wiggins potential turn around
2) 2020 1st Rd Pick.
3) 2021 Wolves 1st Rd Pick.

The alternative to the above would be having none of those, and being capped out and only being able to add MLE players to a core of Steph, Klay and Draymond. It was a shot that needed to be taken and whether or not it pans out, that's yet to be determined.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah, I'm with you guys on here. I think what MSG is trying to allude to is that Durant was potentially at his most deadly with the Warriors. Efficiency is arguable, but he definitely had more opportunity to thrive with GSW than he did with OKC.

The Warriors were a 73 win team when Durant joined them. So, sure, he thrived in Golden State. He thrived in OKC. The difference being the players around him.

D'Lo I would argue wasn't really better in GSW than Brooklyn. GSW obviously was decimated with injuries and D'Lo played well, but I don't see any evidence to think he was better with GSW.

He's a good player that could be very good but we may never know because he's bouncing from shit team to shit team.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah the Warriors are going to banking hard on 3 things:

1) Wiggins potential turn around
2) 2020 1st Rd Pick.
3) 2021 Wolves 1st Rd Pick.

The alternative to the above would be having none of those, and being capped out and only being able to add MLE players to a core of Steph, Klay and Draymond. It was a shot that needed to be taken and whether or not it pans out, that's yet to be determined.

I agree. Sometimes you have to make risky choices. Had they brought in Russell they would have still be effectively dead cap wise and had no chance for improvement.

On paper Wiggins makes more sense for the Warriors. It's just a question of whether he can actually turn it around.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, I'm with you guys on here. I think what MSG is trying to allude to is that Durant was potentially at his most deadly with the Warriors. Efficiency is arguable, but he definitely had more opportunity to thrive with GSW than he did with OKC.

D'Lo I would argue wasn't really better in GSW than Brooklyn. GSW obviously was decimated with injuries and D'Lo played well, but I don't see any evidence to think he was better with GSW.

I'd add IF Durant was better it was because of the players he played with. They made the system....not the other way around.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Andrew Wiggins will clearly win MVP next year

 

[CitySushi]

The Warriors were a 73 win team when Durant joined them. So, sure, he thrived in Golden State. He thrived in OKC. The difference being the players around him.

He's a good player that could be very good but we may never know because he's bouncing from shit team to shit team.

Well yeah, arguing Durant benefitted from playing with a superior team would be a dumb argument to begin with. What I'm saying is that Durant was able to do things he wasn't able to necessarily do with the Thunder. He's even said just as much in his recent podcast with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson, which he's taken heat for. I don't think it's a stretch to agree there.

And D'Lo is a good player, but again I was just agreeing that it's impossible to determine if he benefitted or not from his time with the Warriors. The biggest reason I think he wasn't as effective with the Warriors as he was with Brooklyn is because the system isn't suited to D'Lo's strengths. It was one of bigger reasons why he was moved.

 

[msgkings322]

I am very much aware of all of that. Not sure what any of that has to do with anything I said.



You realize he won an MVP in OKC, right?

Yep. You realize he won two Finals MVPs in GS, and was an injury away from a third, right? He was a better defender and more efficient on the Warriors. That wasn't one of their career 'rejuvenations' but he was his best self.