Red Sox trade

[Shanemansj13]

i think the move had more to do with getting price off the books than anything. i also think the sox will be in play to sign mookie after next year, and will have gotten verdugo out of the deal (and they can move benintendi then). also got a potential closer. so, in theory, they could have upgraded the OF, the pen, and still get mookie back. bloom, if anything, is very creative. i think hes looking a year from now.

They will be fine. Getting Price off the books was a win in itself but then add in two nice prospects...they did fine. The worst feeling is when your team will refuse to pay anyone that has potential...the Red Sox have proved time and time again...they will fork it up.

 

[seattlefan75]

I think the red sox's shredding that 3 years left at like 30 million per year for a 35 year old pitcher was a good move and at the same time avoiding a potential 10 year 350 million contract that Mookie will be looking for and in return get a highly touted OF was a good move.

 

[Rock Strongo]

They will be fine. Getting Price off the books was a win in itself but then add in two nice prospects...they did fine. The worst feeling is when your team will refuse to pay anyone that has potential...the Red Sox have proved time and time again...they will fork it up.

i like the trade, like i liked the beckett trade, which got us the same result. dead weight off the roster and books. and they got out from beckett, for real.. after leaving boston, his last 2 seasons in LA

6 wins
11 losses
3.51 ERA
1.258 WHIP (one no hitter of course)
159 total IP

price may go the same route.

i still think the sox make a push for mookie. they just got free players to rent him out.

 

[Cedrique]

i like the trade, like i liked the beckett trade, which got us the same result. dead weight off the roster and books. and they got out form beckett, for real. hitter). after leaving boston, his last 2 seasons in LA

6 wins
11 losses
3.51 ERA
1.258 WHIP (one no hitter of course)
159 total IP

price may go the same route.

i still think the sox make a push for mookie. they just got free players to rent him out.

That makes sense. They just have to make sure he doesn't fall in love with being a Dodger. You know they won back to back World Series titles in '17 and '18.....

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

That’s melodramatic nonsense.

He’s looking at the trade as if it occurred in a vacuum. It didn’t. The problem is the Red Sox gave Dombrowski the reins, and he did what Dombrowski does. He handed out a handful of shit contacts and emptied the farm system, effectively crippling the team for the near future.

Even with dumping Price’s absolutely atrocious contract, the Red Sox opening day payroll still is about $180MM, ranking 5th in MLB.

Get this, in 2020, Price will be the highest paid player on the Dodgers. Teams can’t go around making a host of dumb moves and expect not to pay for them (unless we’re talking about the Yankees). Yesterday, it was time for the Red Sox to pay.

also, fuck the author for crying foul when the precious Red Sox can’t afford to keep their star player. As a fan that has watched his team trade away countless stars, including back to back Cy Young winners (Sabathia and Lee), and is now about to trade away Lindor, I say the author of that shit article can suck my balls.

While it is understandable for a fan of a smaller market team to scoff at an article like the one written. Boston and Cleveland couldn’t be more polar opposites.

Boston’s team is worth $2 billion more than Cleveland. They clear almost $200 million more a year in ticket sales alone than Cleveland and bring in $300+ million more in revenue as well than Cleveland.

Cleveland makes the trades out of necessity. Boston is making the deal because the owner doesn’t want to spend profits on luxury taxes.

It is crazy the amount of elite players Cleveland has had and traded away thru the years though.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

While it is understandable for a fan of a smaller market team to scoff at an article like the one written. Boston and Cleveland couldn’t be more polar opposites.

No fucking shit? I gotta write this stuff down.

Occam’s Razor it down to the level where they couldn’t afford the player, regardless of the reason. Smaller market teams constantly make these moves. I think it’s gay as hell that some hack is going to go white knighting for the poor Red Sox when they have to do it.

Fuck him, the Red Sox, Jim Harbaugh, and the entire state of Michigan.

 

[packerzrule]

Betts and Price to the Dodgers....

Holee shit.

 

[flyerhawk]

Right here:


They didn’t “give up” Price, they dished him and his shit contract off on the Dodgers. That is pretty clearly the main piece the Red Sox got from the deal.

Well that's a take on what I said.

Perhaps rather than reading what you want to into, take it at face value. The Red Sox could have gotten rid of Price if they were willing to eat a significant portion of his salary. David Price at 32 million a year is an albatross. David Price at 16 million is a contract that more than a few teams would take on.

That doesn't make him an asset.

 

[flyerhawk]

No fucking shit? I gotta write this stuff down.

Occam’s Razor it down to the level where they couldn’t afford the player, regardless of the reason. Smaller market teams constantly make these moves. I think it’s gay as hell that some hack is going to go white knighting for the poor Red Sox when they have to do it.

Fuck him, the Red Sox, Jim Harbaugh, and the entire state of Michigan.

You think that the writer is White Knighting for the Red Sox? Did you start drinking early today? The freaking title of the article is "The Utter Disgrace of the Mookie Betts trade". If that's a white knight defense of the Red Sox I would hate to see what you think a criticism of them would be.

The entire point of the article is that the Red Sox are NOT some mid market team that is cash strapped. They are one of the wealthiest teams in baseball. And yet here they are acting like paying an extra 10 million in luxury tax fines would bankrupt them. It is an indictment of the entire league. Because they ALL cry poor while making tons of money.

 

[flyerhawk]

Oh great, he's a Phillies fan.


But who are you considering good young talent that will run out of options pretty quickly? Devers and Boegarts are locked up for a few years. Benintendi still has 3 years and he's not exactly a superstar anyway. I guess They might have to give Eduardo Rodriguez a raise soon to keep him but the rest of the starters are veterans.
The more I look at their roster, this might be a good year for them to punt and regroup.

Punt by doing what, exactly? They aren't trading Boegarts or Devers or Bennitendi. So I have no idea how they punt. Spending a $180 million rather than $210 million so that you can go from a potential 90 win team to an 85 win team isn't exactly the greatest plan I've ever heard.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

You think that the writer is White Knighting for the Red Sox? Did you start drinking early today? The freaking title of the article is "The Utter Disgrace of the Mookie Betts trade". If that's a white knight defense of the Red Sox I would hate to see what you think a criticism of them would be.

The entire point of the article is that the Red Sox are NOT some mid market team that is cash strapped. They are one of the wealthiest teams in baseball. And yet here they are acting like paying an extra 10 million in luxury tax fines would bankrupt them. It is an indictment of the entire league. Because they ALL cry poor while making tons of money.

Yes I do, regardless of the title.

Haven’t had a drink since Friday. Probably why I’m so pissed.

“It’s horrible that the Red Sox couldn’t afford to keep their star.” Cry me a fucking river. Fuck the author and his Phillies.

 

[DJ]

I peed for the first time today about an hour ago.

Little late in the day for the first one, no?

 

[flyerhawk]

i think the move had more to do with getting price off the books than anything. i also think the sox will be in play to sign mookie after next year, and will have gotten verdugo out of the deal (and they can move benintendi then). also got a potential closer. so, in theory, they could have upgraded the OF, the pen, and still get mookie back. bloom, if anything, is very creative. i think hes looking a year from now.

It was mostly about getting Price off the books and a little about hedging against losing Betts because the team may not be willing to spend almost $40 mill a year on Betts.

Verdugo is probably going to be a good everyday player in the Benintendi mold. Trading for young players projected to be relievers is just foolish. Graterol might become a good reliever. He probably won't because usually prospects like him becoming guys that bounce around the league being occasionally good, occasionally bad and usually just a guy.

The Mookie Betts Trade Is Unprecedented in Baseball History

Betts has the 7th highest combined WAR of anyone in their first 6 seasons in baseball history.

He is well on his path to being a first ballot Hall of Famer.

So I hope you are happy with Verdugo and Graterol.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes I do, regardless of the title.

Haven’t had a drink since Friday. Probably why I’m so pissed.

“It’s horrible that the Red Sox couldn’t afford to keep their star.” Cry me a fucking river. Fuck the author and his Phillies.

Try for a minute to stop being a whiny Indians fan and understand what the point of the article is.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No fucking shit? I gotta write this stuff down.

Occam’s Razor it down to the level where they couldn’t afford the player, regardless of the reason. Smaller market teams constantly make these moves. I think it’s gay as hell that some hack is going to go white knighting for the poor Red Sox when they have to do it.

Fuck him, the Red Sox, Jim Harbaugh, and the entire state of Michigan.

Just stating the obvious. Cleveland trades away their best players because they can’t afford to pay them. Boston can afford to pay them, but they just don’t want to.

Boston profited $516 million dollars in 2018. Couldn’t find the figure for the most recent season. So while small market teams say they deal with it all the time, the two situations aren’t similar in the least bit.

 

[Rock Strongo]

It was mostly about getting Price off the books and a little about hedging against losing Betts because the team may not be willing to spend almost $40 mill a year on Betts.

Verdugo is probably going to be a good everyday player in the Benintendi mold. Trading for young players projected to be relievers is just foolish. Graterol might become a good reliever. He probably won't because usually prospects like him becoming guys that bounce around the league being occasionally good, occasionally bad and usually just a guy.

The Mookie Betts Trade Is Unprecedented in Baseball History

Betts has the 7th highest combined WAR of anyone in their first 6 seasons in baseball history.

He is well on his path to being a first ballot Hall of Famer.

So I hope you are happy with Verdugo and Graterol.

and like i said, we MAY see mookie back here. i wont count it out uintil the inks dry on a deal elsewhere.
I'm not counting on it, just saying, weirder things have happened, and by 20201, the sox will have freed up a ton of cash.
we got out form under an aging and expensive price. we got a power hititng lefty OFer whos 23. we got a reliever who throws a 101 mph sinker. time will tell.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Little late in the day for the first one, no?

Yes. Bad case of the flu. Really dehydrated.

 

[Cedrique]

Punt by doing what, exactly? They aren't trading Boegarts or Devers or Bennitendi. So I have no idea how they punt. Spending a $180 million rather than $210 million so that you can go from a potential 90 win team to an 85 win team isn't exactly the greatest plan I've ever heard.

By punt, I mean accepting that they are probably not a 90 win team, getting some assets for Betts, playing out the season and seeing what they have with Verdugo, Graterol. Maybe make Graterol a closer and if he racks up a bunch of saves, trade him to a contender mid season for prospects. No matter how much money you have it is still tough to win by paying up for everyone. You end up with a team full of old overpaid guys and having to endure a long, painful rebuild.
*See any number of Philliles teams. (Although in fairness they did try to rebuild by trading away Schilling that one year. But it turns out the team was too far off for even young stud players like Travis Lee and Vicente Padilla to turn them around right away)

It sucks that Mookie is the guy they are not paying up for, (for now-who knows what will happen if he's a free agent after this season) but he also accomplished some of what they needed to do, eliminating the risk of paying Price 32 mil a year and getting a couple young players.

Like I said, Devers and Boegarts and I guess Benitendi look like they could be a good core so they are really just punting 2020 to see what the future looks like. And obviously it is always possible they end up surprising and staying in contention this year. (that would be the return man fumbling the punt in my analogy).

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Try for a minute to stop being a whiny Indians fan and understand what the point of the article is.

I’m not whining about a damn thing, cock gobbler.

The real point is that this has been going on for decades. No need get all cranky about it now that the reality has reached the Red Sox.

“Whaaaa! How come the Red Sox can’t hand out a half million dollars worth of shit contacts and continue on with business as usual? It’s a travesty!”

Give me a fucking break. Those pigs built their house of sticks, and it’s fallen down. We don’t need the ladies crying because the story’s sad.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Punt by doing what, exactly? They aren't trading Boegarts or Devers or Bennitendi. So I have no idea how they punt. Spending a $180 million rather than $210 million so that you can go from a potential 90 win team to an 85 win team isn't exactly the greatest plan I've ever heard.

Without the trade, Red Sox payroll would have been $239MM, not $210MM.

Price - $32MM
Betts - $27MM