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Welp he is in Brady's doghouse for sure.....

After getting beat on the slant route for the INT Brady didn't throw another pass his way....

I get it, "DO YOUR JOB" but how can these guys get any better if they don't get chances to make up for said "mistake"

Pretty soon Brady needs to in a way "suck it up" and throw to them, no?
 
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I think Harry is gonna be fine in time. Just needs ore experience. Once he gets it, it will really click for a talent like him.
 

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When the pats drafted him I immediately went to several sources who had him graded as the number 1 WR prospect. They all had the same knock on him: couldn’t get separation but made up for it with physicality. I was concerned then (and still am now) because these are men he’s trying to get “physical” with ... not college kids.

When I read about other WR prospects the guy that jumped off the page at me was Metcalf. He was touted as a physical specimen with blazing speed but talent was labeled “raw”. It’s pretty obvious who the better choice would have been.
 

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When the pats drafted him I immediately went to several sources who had him graded as the number 1 WR prospect. They all had the same knock on him: couldn’t get separation but made up for it with physicality. I was concerned then (and still am now) because these are men he’s trying to get “physical” with ... not college kids.

When I read about other WR prospects the guy that jumped off the page at me was Metcalf. He was touted as a physical specimen with blazing speed but talent was labeled “raw”. It’s pretty obvious who the better choice would have been.

Yes certainly appears that way. However can we truly "judge" right now if he doesn't get any chances? Granted a lot has to be his fault but still one mistake and Brady shuts him down?
 

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Yes certainly appears that way. However can we truly "judge" right now if he doesn't get any chances? Granted a lot has to be his fault but still one mistake and Brady shuts him down?


No. We can’t judge it now but based upon what has happened metcalf appears to be better.

this is the BB way. It’s why Gordon isn’t here. It’s why a lot of guys aren’t here. He can operate this way bc Brady covers up a lot.
 

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No. We can’t judge it now but based upon what has happened metcalf appears to be better.

this is the BB way. It’s why Gordon isn’t here. It’s why a lot of guys aren’t here. He can operate this way bc Brady covers up a lot.

Drafting I agree is the BB way but Brady I believe is the one icing out the receivers. Constantly tearing them down then when one mistake (and do we know for sure it was Harry's fault?) and nothing after. Can't win any games that way.
 

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When the pats drafted him I immediately went to several sources who had him graded as the number 1 WR prospect. They all had the same knock on him: couldn’t get separation but made up for it with physicality. I was concerned then (and still am now) because these are men he’s trying to get “physical” with ... not college kids.

When I read about other WR prospects the guy that jumped off the page at me was Metcalf. He was touted as a physical specimen with blazing speed but talent was labeled “raw”. It’s pretty obvious who the better choice would have been.


Well Jakobi M has had a hell of lot more success than Harry. And BB drafting WRs typically sucks. This being said TB12 pouting and avoiding him will not help the team
 

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Drafting I agree is the BB way but Brady I believe is the one icing out the receivers. Constantly tearing them down then when one mistake (and do we know for sure it was Harry's fault?) and nothing after. Can't win any games that way.

BB sat Malcolm Butler in the SB while the defense is getting torched!! What egregious violation could butler have committed that causes him to get benched on defense but not benched for special teams.

This is the BB system.
 

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We've overlooked a lot of things in the past ten years because the patriots have always been able to take the ball the length of the field and win with less than two minutes remaining in a game. The key has always been small fast receivers who could get separation and Brady's arm was strong enough to thread a needle.

During the preseason, before he was injured, Harry never played with Brady. He was on the field with Hoyer or Stidham. Harry gets hurt and is placed on the IR and can't practice with Brady pe league rules until two weeks before he's activated.

In the past, Brady has always spent many extra hours working in the dome with WRs and anyone who was willing to stay and work. Not in 2019. Whether you want to believe it or not, Tom Brady is not the same person or the same QB that he's been in the past. When was the last time you saw Tom Brady kiss Robert Kraft on the field before a game? When was the last time that Robert Kraft was on the field before a game? Things change and there are definitely changes with the Patriots hierarchy.

When the Patriots refused to extend Brady's contract back in July, there was a reason. It's never been state publicly so all we can do is guess.

Last night, IN MY OPINION, I think we saw the reason. In the first half, Brady was 5 for 11 for 56 yards and an interception. He missed some passes badly and he made bad decisions that he wouldn't have made five or six years ago. Time is catching up with TB12 and whether or not he wants to accept it is up to him. He must change his game to benefit the team or he can continue his methods and end his time with the Patriots on a very sour note. KC, CIN, BUF and MIA and the season is over. It's in Brady's hands and mind.
 

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Well Jakobi M has had a hell of lot more success than Harry. And BB drafting WRs typically sucks. This being said TB12 pouting and avoiding him will not help the team

Harry isn’t getting open. That’s why Brady isn’t throwing him the ball.
 

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We've overlooked a lot of things in the past ten years because the patriots have always been able to take the ball the length of the field and win with less than two minutes remaining in a game. The key has always been small fast receivers who could get separation and Brady's arm was strong enough to thread a needle.

During the preseason, before he was injured, Harry never played with Brady. He was on the field with Hoyer or Stidham. Harry gets hurt and is placed on the IR and can't practice with Brady pe league rules until two weeks before he's activated.

In the past, Brady has always spent many extra hours working in the dome with WRs and anyone who was willing to stay and work. Not in 2019. Whether you want to believe it or not, Tom Brady is not the same person or the same QB that he's been in the past. When was the last time you saw Tom Brady kiss Robert Kraft on the field before a game? When was the last time that Robert Kraft was on the field before a game? Things change and there are definitely changes with the Patriots hierarchy.

When the Patriots refused to extend Brady's contract back in July, there was a reason. It's never been state publicly so all we can do is guess.

Last night, IN MY OPINION, I think we saw the reason. In the first half, Brady was 5 for 11 for 56 yards and an interception. He missed some passes badly and he made bad decisions that he wouldn't have made five or six years ago. Time is catching up with TB12 and whether or not he wants to accept it is up to him. He must change his game to benefit the team or he can continue his methods and end his time with the Patriots on a very sour note. KC, CIN, BUF and MIA and the season is over. It's in Brady's hands and mind.

I disagree. I think Brady is holding the ball longer than he ever has bc guys aren’t getting OPEN! That TD throw to white where he eluded the rush, stepped up in the pocket and fired a strike on the run was a great play. If AB was on this team they might be undefeated. One more weapon on the field so they can’t double Edelman would mean a lot to this team.
 

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BB sat Malcolm Butler in the SB while the defense is getting torched!! What egregious violation could butler have committed that causes him to get benched on defense but not benched for special teams.

This is the BB system.

Yes, that was all BB and it screwed them bigtime. I truly think Brady isn't throwing to Harry and other rookies when they make a mistake. Right now anyone who even remotely is "open" Brady needs to throw to regardless of who said player is. Teams are double and even triple teaming Edelman and White. Brady needs to atleast attempt to throw to other guys. But throwing 50 times a game isn't the answer either
 

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Harry isn’t getting open. That’s why Brady isn’t throwing him the ball.

Getting away from what a CB or LB? Hell if he can't separate put him in the weight room, add 15 lbs of muscle and convert him to TE? Then he won't be covered by the number one or number two corner.
 

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We've overlooked a lot of things in the past ten years because the patriots have always been able to take the ball the length of the field and win with less than two minutes remaining in a game. The key has always been small fast receivers who could get separation and Brady's arm was strong enough to thread a needle.

During the preseason, before he was injured, Harry never played with Brady. He was on the field with Hoyer or Stidham. Harry gets hurt and is placed on the IR and can't practice with Brady pe league rules until two weeks before he's activated.

In the past, Brady has always spent many extra hours working in the dome with WRs and anyone who was willing to stay and work. Not in 2019. Whether you want to believe it or not, Tom Brady is not the same person or the same QB that he's been in the past. When was the last time you saw Tom Brady kiss Robert Kraft on the field before a game? When was the last time that Robert Kraft was on the field before a game? Things change and there are definitely changes with the Patriots hierarchy.

When the Patriots refused to extend Brady's contract back in July, there was a reason. It's never been state publicly so all we can do is guess.

Last night, IN MY OPINION, I think we saw the reason. In the first half, Brady was 5 for 11 for 56 yards and an interception. He missed some passes badly and he made bad decisions that he wouldn't have made five or six years ago. Time is catching up with TB12 and whether or not he wants to accept it is up to him. He must change his game to benefit the team or he can continue his methods and end his time with the Patriots on a very sour note. KC, CIN, BUF and MIA and the season is over. It's in Brady's hands and mind.

I agree, there appears to be definite separation with Brady and the team, and he is not the same QB. IMO he now has that Deer in the headlights look, he throws the ball away to easy, misses slants and crossing routes typically behind receivers, throws the ball away a lot faster than in years past. I am not saying this is the end of TB12 but for the first time in years I am starting to agree that age and years in this league have taken their toll.
 

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Welp he is in Brady's doghouse for sure.....

After getting beat on the slant route for the INT Brady didn't throw another pass his way....

I get it, "DO YOUR JOB" but how can these guys get any better if they don't get chances to make up for said "mistake"

Pretty soon Brady needs to in a way "suck it up" and throw to them, no?
Brady is accustomed to his receivers running the proper routes and won't throw to them until they do. He misses Gronk.
 

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Brady is accustomed to his receivers running the proper routes and won't throw to them until they do. He misses Gronk.
And he has two rookie WRs and a first year guy, sometime it's the veteran that needs to adapt.
 

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And he has two rookie WRs and a first year guy, sometime it's the veteran that needs to adapt.

Exactly! Instead of blasting them like he does. I totally get it, Brady is a firy guy and shows emotions and is upset with his "weapons" but it is a two way street here. Brady needs to do his part as well. It's not all Harry's and Meyers fault. It was clear both were "off" last night as on numerous times Brady and even Dorsett were pointing to where they (Meyers and Harry) should be set up on the line
 

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Brady is accustomed to his receivers running the proper routes and won't throw to them until they do. He misses Gronk.

That he is. However, Brady also needs to adapt to what he has. Instill confidence in them. Instead he just mouths off at them and doesn't give them a chance to make up for a mistake
 

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Brady was visibly upset with 3rd year in the system Dorsett on at least two occasions last night, as well. The OL sure as shit wasn’t the problem last night...Brady had plenty of time most plays and nobody could uncover. Some credit has to go to the Texans, too. The coaches had a good gameplan for covering the Pats receivers and the players executed it.
 
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