The offseason stuff thread

[Groo]

What does one drink out of the Wales Cup, anyway? IPA? Hires root beer-and-vodka? Fermented dingo piss?

Dingo Dog Brewing Company

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Myers is a decent enough defenseman but yikes 8 million a year? That's 3-4 million to much for him.

 

[thedddd]

What does one drink out of the Wales Cup, anyway? IPA? Hires root beer-and-vodka? Fermented dingo piss?

Thinking more Rams piss?

 

[Mofo]

Thinking more Rams piss?

LOL

"Because if you can drink ram's piss, f*çk, you can drink almost anything."

Here, let me warm that up for you.

 

[BGDave]

Now what the hell do I know but 2 suggested changes I would bring to the table if I was in a position to do so:

1: Adjust the cap to somehow factor in taxes/net pay. Makes too much sense, you're punishing/rewarding teams for things beyond their control.

2: Players you have drafted should count less towards the cap. Example, for the Leafs, Matthews/Marner/Nylander's cap hit should only be 90% or something like that. A little reward for drafting well.

Thoughts?

1 - Conceptually, yes. Practically, difficult. Are you thinking just Income taxes? What about HST? State sales taxes? How do you factor in the local taxes the players pay on road games? And once you go down this path, what about other economic factors like cost of living (although for the amount these guys make, maybe that should be ignored). I am in favo(u)r of the concept and I think it is a step in the right direction.

2 - Shouldn't the reward be the success on the ice? BTW, since you mentioned the Leafs. I have a problem with all 3 of them getting the $$ they are. They have NOT had the success on the ice they want to be paid for. Between those 3 and Tavares, there is what, one playoff round victory in their careers? Arguably overpaid, but that is Toronto for you...

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Even at a reduced rate the Keith and Seabrook contracts are untouchable.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Why would the Flames dip into free agency to get a goalie who is measurably worse in every way?

Because he's probably available for 6 figures so why not?

If they pay over a million it'll be highway robbery though.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

So if I'm getting this straight, the Canes were able to take the Leafs' draft pick to eat Marleau's salary because they had money to spend but then had to trade de Haan because they didn't have money to spend?

 

[Nasty_Magician]

So if I'm getting this straight, the Canes were able to take the Leafs' draft pick to eat Marleau's salary because they had money to spend but then had to trade de Haan because they didn't have money to spend?

I hear what you're saying and I agree, the Devils should definitely offersheet Aho for $10.5 per.

 

[forty_three]

So if I'm getting this straight, the Canes were able to take the Leafs' draft pick to eat Marleau's salary because they had money to spend but then had to trade de Haan because they didn't have money to spend?

Well, they need cap space to sign Aho, Panarin, Bobrovsky, Marleau, Dzingel, Lee, Duchene, Smith, Elliott and Offer sheet Marner and Werenski, which is absolutely positively the only reason a team would want to, you know, pay less out in salary. Especially one in a small market. Because Income tax. And stuff.

I should get a Twitterer account and become a hockey twit.



This is all getting exhausting.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

"What are you giving to the team that is taking Nikita Zaitsev? You're giving them something," Dreger said on TSN Radio 1050 Toronto. "Teams are worried about the term of Nikita Zaitsev. If he's the defenceman that he was two years ago, I don't think anyone's worried about it... You can't take that term and have Nikita Zaitsev have another year like he had last year, so you're going to have to sweeten it some degree."

Zaitsev's CF% last year - 50%
Zaitsev's GF% last year - 49%

Tyler Myers CF% last year - 48%
Tyler Myers GF% last year - 48%

You can literally get the same player for half the price and, likely, avoid the decline Myers is almost guaranteed to see in year 2 or 3 of his 7 year deal. Why the hell do the Leafs need to sweeten anything?

NHL Off-Season Watch: Sweetener needed in Toronto Maple Leafs Nikita Zaitsev deal? - TSN.ca

 

[dash]

Why would the Flames dip into free agency to get a goalie who is measurably worse in every way?

I don't know, I think that Oilers defense corps would drive even Georges Vezina to drink. On a cheap show-me contract, I don't mind Cam Talbot.

 

[forty_three]

Now that he's retired, he is free to sign with the Caps.

 

[mattola]

I don't know, I think that Oilers defense corps would drive even Georges Vezina to drink. On a cheap show-me contract, I don't mind Cam Talbot.

Devan Dubynk did pretty well leaving that cess pool. I think Talbot may be a good option for Calgary at least a low cost risk

 

[dash]

Devan Dubynk did pretty well leaving that cess pool. I think Talbot may be a good option for Calgary at least a low cost risk

The only downside is that the Calgary goaltending carousel continues - Maybe David Rittich steps up to be the guy this season, but it's the one position that Treliving has yet to find a permanent solution.

 

[forty_three]

Devan Dubynk did pretty well leaving that cess pool. I think Talbot may be a good option for Calgary at least a low cost risk

The fact that he should go cheap helps, but I would place him around or behind McIlhiney on my wish list.

 

[dash]

 

[forty_three]

Team makes trade...

Twitter:
ClEaRiNg CaP sPaCe FoR DuChEnE aNd PaNaRiN! WHARRRRRGARBLE

Without paying attention to the fact that the Avs already had like 40 million in space.

 

[mattola]

The only downside is that the Calgary goaltending carousel continues - Maybe David Rittich steps up to be the guy this season, but it's the one position that Treliving has yet to find a permanent solution.

As is our d here.. we have some pipeline (see what I did there) goalies that I'm excited about but our defense is terrifying still with the exception of Hughes. But here we are at free agency with rumours of myers getting Max $$

 

[dash]

Team makes trade...

Twitter:
ClEaRiNg CaP sPaCe FoR DuChEnE aNd PaNaRiN! WHARRRRRGARBLE

Without paying attention to the fact that the Avs already had like 40 million in space.

Not even a bag of pucks, just a single puck lol