Colorado's new HC wants the PAC-12 to pussify their scheduling

[batchaps4me]

However, the receive no credit for this and the committee doesn't seem to care that the SEC and ACC have conference members that go half a decade without facing each other and play FCS opponents in November.

Just to offer a different perspective, the committee's focus is on who you have played instead of who you did not. IMHO that is the other side of the coin to what you are right in saying.

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Just to offer a different perspective, the committee's focus is on who you have played instead of who you did not. IMHO that is the other side of the coin to what you are right in saying.

Yes you are right, this is the case

It is we, the fans who are the losers due to these scheduling philosophies

 

[batchaps4me]

Yes you are right, this is the case

It is we, the fans who are the losers due to these scheduling philosophies

One of the other things I hate about the scheduling is that the OOC games are scheduled too far in advance. I understand why it is done, but there is no way to know if you are going to be a quality team in seven years out, much less the quality of your opponent.

 

[Kaplony]

Yes you are right, this is the case

It is we, the fans who are the losers due to these scheduling philosophies

How exactly have you lost by Clemson not playing Virginia? The record is Clemson 38 Virginia 8 and 1 tie.

Or Duke. Clemson 37 Duke 16 and 1 tie.

Or UNC. Clemson 37 UNC 19 and 1 tie.

If your existence is dependent on games like that then you need to seek help.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

You must have missed the announcement a year or two ago that Big 10 teams are still allowed to schedule FCS teams in the years they only have 4 conference home games.

Is this for real? If so, yeah, I completely missed that lol. I am still against playing FCS opponents though.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Conference USA has 16 teams, but no Power-5 conference does.

Huh?

1. Charlotte
2. Florida International
3. Florida Atlantic
4. Louisiana
5. Marshall
6. Middle Tennessee
7. North Texas
8. Old Dominion
9. Rice
10. Southern Miss
11. UAB
12. UTEP
13. UTSA
14. Western Kentucky

Who am I missing?

If you meant 14... well the SEC, ACC, and B1G all have 14 too.

 

[Rolltide94]

It would be an absolute shame if they did, the Pac-12 deserves a lot of credit for their tough non-conference scheduling their teams will play anyone anywhere

However, the receive no credit for this and the committee doesn't seem to care that the SEC and ACC have conference members that go half a decade without facing each other and play FCS opponents in November.

At this point if they won't change the other conferences might be forced to adjust. The facts are the SEC and ACCs scheduling policies are what they are and neither league has missed the playoff yet, the Pac-12 might be forced to adjust

I would argue the committee is more concerned with how your conference plays against teams outside your conference than it does against those inside.

When you are choosing who should be in the playoffs and your choice is between two teams with similar records this are the sorts of things that put you in or out.

Pac-12 record versus other conferences in the CFP 1-2
SEC record versus other conferences in the CFP 6-3
ACC Record versus other conferences in the CFP 5-3

The SEC & ACC are a combined 7-2 in CFP games where they didn't have to play each other and no other conference has played for the title for the last 4 years.

That's why they are always in, because they continue to win, not because they play 8 conference games, if they played 8 games and lost in the first round of the playoffs every year, they wouldn't keep getting in.

Why would you take a chance on a team like Washington, who hasn't beaten a ranked P5 regular season opponent in almost 6500 days, when they got their shit pushed in the last time you took a chance on them.

 

[Deep Creek]

Yes you are right, this is the case. It is we, the fans who are the losers due to these scheduling philosophies

 

[BamaDude]

It would be an absolute shame if they did, the Pac-12 deserves a lot of credit for their tough non-conference scheduling their teams will play anyone anywhere

Okay, I just looked back at the past 6 years of Pac-12 non-conference scheduling. Here's how it panned out:

Pac-12 North plays 0.86 FCS schools per year per team (All but two schools played one each year, but California went one year without playing any & Stanford had none on their schedule 4 years.)

North schools averaged 1.19 G-5 schools per team per year. (Oregon & Cal each had one season with no G-5 opponents, but they each played an FCS school those years.)

North schools played 0.97 Power-5 schools per team per year. (Stanford, Oregon & Cal each had two seasons with two P-5 opponents; Washington & Oregon each had one season with no P-5 opponents; Oregon St. had two years with no P-5 opponents; and Washington St. had 3 years with no P-5 opponents.)

Pac North teams played 0.36 games per season against ranked non-conference opponents.*
(Washington was 1-1 in ranked games vs Boise St.; Stanford was 3-2 in ranked games vs Notre Dame; Oregon was 1-1 in ranked games vs Michigan St.; California was 0-1 vs Northwestern, 0-1 vs Ohio St. & 1-0 vs Texas in ranked games; Oregon St. was 0-1 vs Ohio St. in ranked opponents; Washington St. played no ranked OOC teams.

* Ranked opponents in first 5 seasons are at time of game, according to Phil Steele; for 2018 the ranked opponent is via final AP rankings.

~more to come~

 

[Gatorchip]

Why would you take a chance on a team like Washington, who hasn't beaten a ranked P5 regular season opponent in almost 6500 days, when they got their shit pushed in the last time you took a chance on them.

Wow... Is that a correct statistic @AlaskaGuy ? Please verify.

 

[Olyduck]

Wow... Is that a correct statistic @AlaskaGuy ? Please verify.

i think he meant ranked non conference opponent.
they beat #8 WSU at the end of last season.
2001 was their last regular season non conference P5 ranked team win

 

[BamaDude]

Pac-12 South non-conference scheduling over the last 6 years:

0.56 games per year vs FCS schools (Only Colorado averaged one per year; UCLA and USC had no FCS opponents; Utah & Arizona had one year each without an FCS opponent & Arizona St. had two.)

1.69 games per year per team vs G-5 opponents.

0.81 games per year per team vs P-5 opponents (Utah & Colorado had no P-5 opponents 4 times: Arizona had no OOC P-5 opponents at all; USC had 5 years with 2 P-5 opponents; Arizona St. & UCLA each had one year with 2 P-5 opponents.)

0.33 games per year per team against ranked opponents (USC is a total 0-5, losing once each to Alabama & Texas, and 3 times to Notre Dame; UCLA is 1-0 vs Nebraska & 0-1 apiece vs Cincinnati, Oklahoma & Fresno St.; Colorado is 0-1 vs Michigan; Arizona St. is 1-0 vs Wisconsin & 1-0 vs Notre Dame)*

* Ranked opponents in first 5 seasons are at time of game, according to Phil Steele; for 2018 the ranked opponent is via final AP rankings. Schools ranked at the time of the game may not have been ranked in the final poll.

 

[7Samurai13]

Wow... Is that a correct statistic @AlaskaGuy ? Please verify.

i think he meant ranked non conference opponent.
they beat #8 WSU at the end of last season.
2001 was their last regular season non conference P5 ranked team win

2010 was their last bowl win against a P5 team, Nebraska, and they were ranked 20th.

 

[BamaDude]

no one ever said pretty much the same.
what was said was 5 is almost 7. no one here but you ever claimed it as the same

No. 5 is almost 6 & 6 is almost 7, but 5 is not almost 7. 5 is, in fact, closer to 4.

 

[BamaDude]

For us it is two, Georgia and Alabama, within three weeks. Both are either away or home games for any one season. Back before the SEC expanded for a CCG, Florida was the other November game in Amen Corner. I understand the good a bye would do, but I prefer being able to get the players limited work while maintaining the weekly team routine.

The home stretch for Alabama is LSU/Mississippi St./whoever/Auburn. The Tide likes to get their open date either just before or just after the LSU game. (Before usually means October; after is usually November).

 

[BamaDude]

Yeah I support you're right, nevertheless as an Oldtimer I miss the "home and home" series, as many fans do.

I like the home-and-home series, too, and would like to see more of them; but I also like the neutral site games as a sort of national showcase.

 

[BamaDude]

One of the other things I hate about the scheduling is that the OOC games are scheduled too far in advance. I understand why it is done, but there is no way to know if you are going to be a quality team in seven years out, much less the quality of your opponent.

I agree with this statement. I wish there were a moratorium on scheduling more than 4 or 5 years into the future.

 

[BamaDude]

Huh?

1. Charlotte
2. Florida International
3. Florida Atlantic
4. Louisiana
5. Marshall
6. Middle Tennessee
7. North Texas
8. Old Dominion
9. Rice
10. Southern Miss
11. UAB
12. UTEP
13. UTSA
14. Western Kentucky

Who am I missing?

If you meant 14... well the SEC, ACC, and B1G all have 14 too.

You are correct. They had 16 at one point, but the AAC siphoned off a couple & I forgot to not count them. The 4 Texas teams, along with La. Tech, So. Miss & UAB are in the West; the rest are in the East.

 

[batchaps4me]

The home stretch for Alabama is LSU/Mississippi St./whoever/Auburn. The Tide likes to get their open date either just before or just after the LSU game. (Before usually means October; after is usually November).

Right. We normally get ours in the 2nd or 3rd Saturday in October. This coincides with what used to be Amen Corner of UF/UGA/someone/Bama but TAMU replaced UF after the divisions were set. Which would you prefer the week before the IB, a bye or Citadel/similar?

 

[BamaDude]

Right. We normally get ours in the 2nd or 3rd Saturday in October. This coincides with what used to be Amen Corner of UF/UGA/someone/Bama but TAMU replaced UF after the divisions were set. Which would you prefer the week before the IB, a bye or Citadel/similar?

The SEC enacted legislation a few years ago to keep teams from scheduling a bye the week before rivalry week. So, the only choice would be an FCS school, someone from the Group of 5, or a another Power-5 school.

I would rather play a G-5 school that week, but I am okay with an FCS school every once in a while, if that's all we can get. I prefer to play the OOC P-5 schools before mid-October.