MBBRL Vampire League Poll #1

[Bandit]

Vamps have almost no chance with a roster that big.


I am not scared.

I do want a fair fight in my chance to be the vamp though.

Because tweaking next year does not help me when I am not a vamp anymore.

If vamps don't get the first pick until 181, a lot of the free agent depth that could help us compete prior to week 5 or 6 will be gone.

You are looking at the advantage vampires have, but if we start 0-5, we are cooked.

You even have a provision where non-vamp teams can replace IR players.

9 man bench is extreme and completely unneccesary.

The poll needs to reflect more options similar to what we have in other leagues. Again, 16 should be the absolute max and I would vote for 15.

I'll respond to one person at a time. If 10 teams are drafting 18 players, almost all the rosters are going to be 2 QB, 6 RB, 6 WR, 2 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, that's going to be 20 quarterbacks gone, 20 tight ends gone, 60 running backs gone, 60 wide receivers gone, 10 kickers and 10 defenses. I just don't think that is too difficult on the vampire teams? But if you guys think so then so be it. Even if a few guys draft 2 defenses or 2 kickers, there's still going to be plenty of players left and that would leave you with even more options at running back and wide receiver. If you want to vote for 16 that is fine, but I'm not going below that.

As far as the vampire next year. One of the vampire spots is going to be the winner of this league. If that happens to be a vampire then they will get to remain the vampire and only the other vampire spot will change.

 

[Bandit]

The only way I will be okay with 18 bench spots is when I am proven right that 18 bench spots is far too many to give the vamps a fair shake, I want another crack at it next year. Not 2026.

I would much rather reduce roster spots to 15, but allow sporadic roster moves for all teams to do the following:

1) replace a player on IR
2) temporarily replace a single position starter on bye (QB, TE, DST, K) - these moves are 1 week replacements only, no drop required

What will inevitably happen is that an 18 man roster will leave vamps with nothing at TE, little at QB and garbage at DST because most (all) will roster 2 or more.

I know you are probably thinking about covering byes, but carrying all those backups at those positions leaves far too little left over for the vamps to compete.

It's not 18 bench spots, just 18 total players. And one of the points is for the vampire to be the only teams to have full access to the waivers so we aren't adding extra transactions. The next vote is going to be whether or not to allow players that are put on IR to be replaced, but any other transactions is not going to happen.

 

[Bandit]

@Bandit How about allowing a team two changes a year that must be used on TE, K, or D? Then lower the roster size to 16.

It is still a decent enough roster size to have a good bench, and answers TLance's issues.

Nope, not allowing transactions. It makes the 10 non-vampire teams have to plan their strategy as to how they are going to use their roster spots like if they are willing to just take a 0 when their D/ST, K, or only tight end are on bye then it will affect the way they draft.

 

[Bandit]

I'm a silent partner to Barilko's team I may not get a vote but I agree with tlance. Even 16 rounds of players before the vampire team gets a shot is pretty brutal. Not many Coma teams will outscore a Suicide team and that's with 14 rounds.

Yes, but none of the teams in coma have access to the wire so a guy that comes out of nowhere but wasn't drafted at all in suicide or coma would not be drafted at all, but in the vampire league they could pick him up. Phillip Lindsay comes to mind from last year.

 

[Bandit]

I hate to say it, but why don't we consider cutting the Flex? That would eliminate one spot on the roster and give us bit of a deeper bench, since have one less starting spot.

Nope not cutting the flex.

 

[femurov]

Just a thought that may not have been brought up or thought about...

Is this going to have to be done as an offline draft where @Bandit will have to put in the results by hand? I'm not sure (especially on ESPN) if we can do a live draft with 10 teams, then another draft with the remaining 2. I bring this up because we would have to start the draft earlier if it is off line and we have to do a slow clock.

 

[Barilko]

in suicide we draft 12 teams X 14 for 168

so here we are only 10 drafting--

so myself i have had time to think for a sec

and 10 teams draft only so if it is times 16 that is 160 and thus 8 more players on the wire than chosen in coma so maybe 16 is just about right

@Bandit thanks for all the answers that you supplied and the effort for putting this together...

and i love the vamp staying a vamp if he wins......

 

[MilkSpiller22]

my 2 cents

16 or 17 is the perfect amount...

Maybe i don't really understand the purpose of the vampire league, but i am under the impression that it is to test how advantageous free agency is during the season...

To answer that, doesn't the league have to be entirely standard to a 10 team league???

10 team leagues are generally larger benches than a 12 or a 14 team league...

so having at least 2 RB, 2 WR, and a qb is needed...

a typical 12 team league has 5-6 bench players... 10 should have more than that but certainly not double that... that's too much...

 

[tlance]

It's not 18 bench spots, just 18 total players. And one of the points is for the vampire to be the only teams to have full access to the waivers so we aren't adding extra transactions. The next vote is going to be whether or not to allow players that are put on IR to be replaced, but any other transactions is not going to happen.

This is our league. We can make whatever rules we want.

Allowing a couple temporary transactions for bye week replacements is a good idea. I wish you would be open to it because it is the perfect compromise.

18 is far too many. Many of those waiver gems are getting rostered if everyone is carrying 6-7 RBs.

 

[tlance]

my 2 cents

17 or 18 is the perfect amount...

Maybe i don't really understand the purpose of the vampire league, but i am under the impression that it is to test how advantageous free agency is during the season...

To answer that, doesn't the league have to be entirely standard to a 10 team league???

10 team leagues are generally larger benches than a 12 or a 14 team league...

so having at least 2 RB, 2 WR, and a qb is needed...

a typical 12 team league has 5-6 bench players... 10 should have more than that but certainly not double that... that's too much...

This is a 12 team league Milk.

The 2 vampire teams don't start drafting until the 10 are finished.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This is a 12 team league Milk.

The 2 vampire teams don't start drafting until the 10 are finished.

no its 10 + 2 vamps...


what i meant is that is ACTS like a 10 team league...

 

[tlance]

no its 10 + 2 vamps...


what i meant is that is ACTS like a 10 team league...

Only the draft

There are still 12 teams that need to fill out their rosters.

Not a 10 team league.

 

[Barilko]

well ill vote and leave it to bandit

honestly 16 sounds great but there cannot be transactions that defeats the whole purpose of a vamp league...

maybe ir and if we do ir it can only be filled after the vamps have chosen....

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Only the draft

There are still 12 teams that need to fill out their rosters.

Not a 10 team league.

but when the 10 owners can't do free agency, it acts like a 10 team league(at least for them).... the 2 vampires dont change it...


whatever though we are arguing semantics... doesn't change the point of my original post...

 

[obxyankeefan]

 

[bksballer89]

11 of 12 voted on the poll.

16 is leading

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Think @Yellow Fuzzies is the only one that hasn't voted yet.

 

[Bandit]

This is our league. We can make whatever rules we want.

Allowing a couple temporary transactions for bye week replacements is a good idea. I wish you would be open to it because it is the perfect compromise.

18 is far too many. Many of those waiver gems are getting rostered if everyone is carrying 6-7 RBs.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see that at all. If you allow guys to use transactions for bye week players, that's even more players that the vampire misses out on. Maybe you guys see this differently, but to me, the whole point of the league is to see if a team made up entirely of guys that weren't drafted could eventually compete with the teams that did the drafting using their savvy on the waiver wire. I just think if you allow transactions for bye week players it might as well be a standard league as it takes all of the strategy away for the non-vampire teams away during the draft and during their matchups against the vampire during the season. If they don't have to worry about bye weeks or whether or not to draft two tight ends, two defenses, two kickers etc. then the draft doesn't mean nearly as much for the non-vampire teams if they can just pick guys up during bye weeks. And if their only defense and only tight end are on bye that week, maybe they choose to not put any of their studs in the lineup against the vampire to protect those players from being "vampired" away.

 

[Bandit]

Changed my vote to 17 instead of 18 since it's looking like the most votes are going to be for 16 and 18 and I just feel like if that's the case then 17 is the best compromise.

 

[TKOSpikes]

I'm sorry, but I just don't see that at all. If you allow guys to use transactions for bye week players, that's even more players that the vampire misses out on. Maybe you guys see this differently, but to me, the whole point of the league is to see if a team made up entirely of guys that weren't drafted could eventually compete with the teams that did the drafting using their savvy on the waiver wire. I just think if you allow transactions for bye week players it might as well be a standard league as it takes all of the strategy away for the non-vampire teams away during the draft and during their matchups against the vampire during the season. If they don't have to worry about bye weeks or whether or not to draft two tight ends, two defenses, two kickers etc. then the draft doesn't mean nearly as much for the non-vampire teams if they can just pick guys up during bye weeks. And if their only defense and only tight end are on bye that week, maybe they choose to not put any of their studs in the lineup against the vampire to protect those players from being "vampired" away.

We are eye to eye