Bucks offseason possibilities

[Stakesarehigh]

You have to go back... I can't go over it again...

They would deal to a team under the cap. Roberson for 10 million on a one year deal is attractive

Scheoeder at 15 mil for two....isnt hateful. As opposed to a team having to sign comparable players to longer deals.

What is it you are missing here?

 

[buckalis]

You are completing misunderstanding the cba rule

No I am not... go back to #131 and start from there....

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No I am not... go back to #131 and start from there....

The 125 rule applies to a team over the cap not being able to take on more than 125 percent of the total salaries going out.

That doesn't prevent a team over the cap dealing to a team under the cap.

What am I not getting here

 

[tlance]

The 125 rule applies to a team over the cap not being able to take on more than 125 percent of the total salaries going out.

That doesn't prevent a team over the cap dealing to a team under the cap.

What am I not getting here

You are getting it.

It is him that doesn't.

 

[buckalis]

The 125 rule applies to a team over the cap not being able to take on more than 125 percent of the total salaries going out.

That doesn't prevent a team over the cap dealing to a team under the cap.

What am I not getting here

That in order to save more than what 125% rule allows them, they have to do a trade that includes JR Smith or G.Hill in the pack of players they receive and then after they renew their contracts on "sign and trade"... because then J.R. Smith will be valued for 16M and Hill for 19M under the 125% agreement, despite their new contracts being of much less...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You are getting it.

It is him that doesn't.

I truly hope he hasnt concocted this entire scenario based on that premise

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That in order to save more than what 125% rule allows them, they have to do a trade that includes JR Smith or G.Hill in the pack of players they receive and then after they renew their contracts on "sign and trade"... because then J.R. Smith will be valued for 16M and Hill for 19M under the 125% agreement, despite their new contracts being of much less...

Dude you're not understanding the rule.

Again they just traded Melo last year for Schroeder with a 12 million dollar gap

 

[buckalis]

You are getting it.

It is him that doesn't.

shut the F up troll...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

To be fair the luxury tax thing is a mofo to figure out

 

[buckalis]

Dude you're not understanding the rule.

Again they just traded Melo last year for Schroeder with a 12 million dollar gap

That was different, because Schroeder "carried" an exception from the Hawks that added to his value as much as was necessary to be valued in agreement with the 125% rule... They couldn't do that with just any player.

 

[tlance]

The 125 rule applies to a team over the cap not being able to take on more than 125 percent of the total salaries going out.

That doesn't prevent a team over the cap dealing to a team under the cap.

What am I not getting here

The reason all of his logic only makes sense to him is because he has a completely butchered understanding of the 125% rule.

I believe this is what he thinks:

Because Hill was on a $18 million contract, if the Bucks were to cut him, then resign him, it would still count as if they were trading the $18 million contract even though Hill would be in a new deal for a lot less.

In reality, your understanding is correct. OKC could dump George's contract to any team under the cap if they so desired. No matching salary required, again if the team has the cap space to sign a max contract.

By the way, if this loophole were indeed even remotely true, does anyone believe that Hill would have been traded just a couple months ago for 2 bad contracts and a couple picks?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That was different, because Schroeder "carried" an exception from the Hawks that added to his value as much as was necessary to be valued in agreement with the 125% rule...

The Sixers took on salary dumps for years man.

Again the rule only applies to an over cap team taking on additional salary

The entire point of the luxury situation is to force teams to get out of bad contracts and not overspend.

 

[buckalis]

The reason all of his logic only makes sense to him is because he has a completely butchered understanding of the 125% rule.

I believe this is what he thinks:

Because Hill was on a $18 million contract, if the Bucks were to cut him, then resign him, it would still count as if they were trading the $18 million contract even though Hill would be in a new deal for a lot less.

In reality, your understanding is correct. OKC could dump George's contract to any team under the cap if they so desired. No matching salary required, again if the team has the cap space to sign a max contract.

By the way, if this loophole were indeed even remotely true, does anyone believe that Hill would have been traded just a couple months ago for 2 bad contracts and a couple picks?

YES TROLL!

BUT ONLY IF THEY DO IT ON A "SIGN AND TRADE" TROLL!

 

[buckalis]

The Sixers took on salary dumps for years man.

Again the rule only applies to an over cap team taking on additional salary

The entire point of the luxury situation is to force teams to get out of bad contracts and not overspend.

Correct... therefore there is no other way to save more than 20M out of their salaries unless they trade for JR Smith or G.Hill because they are blocked by the 125% rule...

Otherwise if they were to make trades and save 20M under the 125% they would have to trade players of 100M and get back total value of 80M contracts

 

[tlance]

YES TROLL!

BUT ONLY IF THEY DO IT ON A "SIGN AND TRADE" TROLL!

Dude.

You are way wrong. Everyone knows you are wrong except you.

Are you going to again deny calling me a troll?

Telling someone they are wrong is not trolling. Especially when they are actually wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble, but everything you think you know about the NBA is incorrect.

Like I said earlier, just be quiet and enjoy your squad's playoff run.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

YES TROLL!

BUT ONLY IF THEY DO IT ON A "SIGN AND TRADE" TROLL!

Those largely come in play with two teams over the cap wiggling around the cap situation.

It's not the easiest to understand but ask yourself this....why could a team under the cap sign a Max free agent from a different team but not trade for one? What's the difference? Why would they have to give back equal contracts when they can afford it?

That isn't logical.

 

[buckalis]

Dude.

You are way wrong. Everyone knows you are wrong except you.

Are you going to again deny calling me a troll?

Telling someone they are wrong is not trolling. Especially when they are actually wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble, but everything you think you know about the NBA is incorrect.

Like I said earlier, just be quiet and enjoy your squad's playoff run.

Shut the F up troll!

 

[GNG]

Shut the F up troll!

You are wearing out your welcome here.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Correct... therefore there is no other way to save more than 20M out of their salaries unless they trade for JR Smith or G.Hill because they are blocked by the 125% rule...

Otherwise if they were to make trades and save 20M under the 125% they would have to trade players of 100M and get back total value of 80M contracts

You have to be fucking with us right?

 

[buckalis]

Those largely come in play with two teams over the cap wiggling around the cap situation.

It's not the easiest to understand but ask yourself this....why could a team under the cap sign a Max free agent from a different team but not trade for one? What's the difference? Why would they have to give back equal contracts when they can afford it?

That isn't logical.

A team can do both... but if they add a player under out of free agency, they add (lots of) salary to they cap space...