politics thread

[skinsdad62]

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You guys are a trip, first it's don't believe the polls, the data from a certain ideological bend can't be trusted and it's "fake" news, then have the audacity to post polls, data from other ideological perspectives and more "fake" news to prove some point. Now that's interesting!

Is it possible to take the temperature of this thread to find out what's acceptable and what is not? Maybe the conversation can finally be one that advances rather than one that constantly goes in circles.

first of I don’t post polls . Any numbers I use comes from govt sources no idealogical bend is in play . Any post , I post from a “conservative “ site will have a source coming from the above guidelines I have used . For instance the southern strategy lie . Everything came from historical data from govt sources , I.e. election records , federal laws for desegregation. And records kept for schools . It wasn’t from a left wing or right wing opinion “ journalist “ or “ historian “ based on that data common sense assertions can be made

 

[Toadman005]

I'm an old dude, and I'll admit that I had to look up what "doxxed" meant. Sorry that happened to you man, but I did mention crazies in earlier posts. Yes, in another context, but crazy is crazy right?

Haha thanks.

yeah, this was roughly 2 years ago. Guy who didn't like my opinions and the fact that I could crush him in arguments got mad, doxxed me, contacted my employer and tried to get me fired, claiming I was a racist, KK alright nazi. My boss, a grizzled Vietnam vet laughed at him. But, that doesn't;t change that some people are so ideologically overzealous they'll try and harm others livelihoods out of spite.

 

[Stymietee]

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first of I don’t post polls . Any numbers I use comes from govt sources no idealogical bend is in play . Any post , I post from a “conservative “ site will have a source coming from the above guidelines I have used . For instance the southern strategy lie . Everything came from historical data from govt sources , I.e. election records , federal laws for desegregation. And records kept for schools . It wasn’t from a left wing or right wing opinion “ journalist “ or “ historian “ based on that data common sense assertions can be made

"you guys" began my post, apologies to you because it was not aimed solely to you, just convenient to respond to what was there.

 

[skinsdad62]

Th

Mending/upgrading already existing fences makes all of the sense in the world. I hope that you're kidding about this. New walls are problematic for reasons already stated, but just in case.

1. They don't work, (see tunneling system and my diagram below)

2. It's wasted money when funds can be better spent on things that actually work.

3. There are already existing walls fencing and barriers, manmade and natural.

4. It's a political scare tactic for a "crisis" that doesn't exist.

5. Imminent domain lawsuits will delay any wall building for years beyond the horizon.

that diagrams you put up is the dumbest thing ever posted . They don’t go those routes because its ineffective and costly
And you have trouble with weather . For years Democrat’s have called the border a crisis so I don’t buy that argument either and I have posted video backing that up as well
Just because you have existing fencing doesn’t preclude needing a using more

The Israelis use fencing and it does work . Now I say carry your ass over to NK and try to cross that wall and tell me if it works . Then ask the east berliners if that wall worked

Walls aren’t the end all be all but they reduce traffic by a great amount

Telling me a bunch of BS about a damn drones or a camera detaining anyone is foolish . Might as well lay down a red carpet For them

If you are worried about costs , hell the shut down cost 11 bil ,it would have been cheaper to approve the damn thing

I suspect this , you all are complaining about the wall keeping out poor innocent people on one hand , yet are trying to sell me it won’t work on the other . Doesn’t make sense

 

[Toadman005]

Mending/upgrading already existing fences makes all of the sense in the world. I hope that you're kidding about this. New walls are problematic for reasons already stated, but just in case.

1. They don't work, (see tunneling system and my diagram below)

2. It's wasted money when funds can be better spent on things that actually work.

3. There are already existing walls fencing and barriers, manmade and natural.

4. It's a political scare tactic for a "crisis" that doesn't exist.

5. Imminent domain lawsuits will delay any wall building for years beyond the horizon.

As a counter argument….


1. A wall isn’t foolproof…but no one thinks it is. It would still greatly reduce the numbers…as well as form bottle neck funnel points. Either way good for us and useful. That image is cute and smarmy but, stupid. I don’t think I need explain why.


2. A fair argument. Wether one agrees or not, this is what should be said.


3. This contradicts your #1. Either barriers work or they don’t. Can’t have it both ways,


4. The crisis does exist. And that’s not a “scare” tactic.


5. Possibly. We will see.

 

[Stymietee]

Haha thanks.

yeah, this was roughly 2 years ago. Guy who didn't like my opinions and the fact that I could crush him in arguments got mad, doxxed me, contacted my employer and tried to get me fired, claiming I was a racist, KK alright nazi. My boss, a grizzled Vietnam vet laughed at him. But, that doesn't;t change that some people are so ideologically overzealous they'll try and harm others livelihoods out of spite.

Your boss and I have a lot in common, that should give you a clue as to how old I am.

 

[Toadman005]

Your boss and I have a lot in common, that should give you a clue as to how old I am.

Aces, very cool.

 

[skinsdad62]

Tell me in a few weeks when that 12000 person caravan if a crisis isn’t in play .

 

[Stymietee]

Th

that diagrams you put up is the dumbest thing ever posted . They don’t go those routes because its ineffective and costly
And you have trouble with weather . For years Democrat’s have called the border a crisis so I don’t buy that argument either and I have posted video backing that up as well
Just because you have existing fencing doesn’t preclude needing a using more

The Israelis use fencing and it does work . Now I say carry your ass over to NK and try to cross that wall and tell me if it works . Then ask the east berliners if that wall worked

Walls aren’t the end all be all but they reduce traffic by a great amount

Telling me a bunch of BS about a damn drones or a camera detaining anyone is foolish . Might as well lay down a red carpet For them

If you are worried about costs , hell the shut down cost 11 bil ,it would have been cheaper to approve the damn thing

I suspect this , you all are complaining about the wall keeping out poor innocent people on one hand , yet are trying to sell me it won’t work on the other . Doesn’t make sense

Wow, simply, WOW!

 

[Stymietee]

Tell me in a few weeks when that 12000 person caravan if a crisis isn’t in play .

OK, but didn't the original deployment convince you that it's a hoax? NO? then I suspect that nothing will, oh well!

 

[Sharkinva]

As a counter argument….


1. A wall isn’t foolproof…but no one thinks it is. It would still greatly reduce the numbers…as well as form bottle neck funnel points. Either way good for us and useful. That image is cute and smarmy but, stupid. I don’t think I need explain why.


2. A fair argument. Wether one agrees or not, this is what should be said.


3. This contradicts your #1. Either barriers work or they don’t. Can’t have it both ways,


4. The crisis does exist. And that’s not a “scare” tactic.


5. Possibly. We will see.

1. A wall will not prevent people from requesting asylum. International law (which we helped write) gives anyone with credible claim the legal right to request asylum. You also must be in said country to request asylum. So unless we are going to either put the wall right on the border, o in Mexican territory, nothing would stop people from walking up to the wall and requesting asylum.


2. Barriers walls and fences are only as good as the amount of force you are willing to use to enforce them. I know many point out how well Israels wall works. But Israel is willing to shoot on site anyone not approaching at an authorized port of entry. And Israel is actually a stolen land situation. So people trying to sneak in may in fact be intent on harming the stolen state.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Oh I can answer that.... I've had it pegged for months.

1) 18-22 years old
2) has never been financially independent
3) attends PSU and has fallen into the university group think that has infested most liberal arts and public universities
4) claims hes in the middle but has yet to provide any sort of evidence for this to be true
5) thinks he knows everything, again product of demographic, but still not quite sure how to pay a bill or write a check
6) thinks more snark = being more right
7) hates trump because his professors and colleagues do
8) severe trump derangement syndrome

there is more this is just off the top of my head

"attends PSU"??? Don't you think, if you are describing "a type", that using the words "attends college" might not work better? Just saying

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

1. A wall will not prevent people from requesting asylum. International law (which we helped write) gives anyone with credible claim the legal right to request asylum. You also must be in said country to request asylum. So unless we are going to either put the wall right on the border, o in Mexican territory, nothing would stop people from walking up to the wall and requesting asylum.


2. Barriers walls and fences are only as good as the amount of force you are willing to use to enforce them. I know many point out how well Israels wall works. But Israel is willing to shoot on site anyone not approaching at an authorized port of entry. And Israel is actually a stolen land situation. So people trying to sneak in may in fact be intent on harming the stolen state.

"International law"?? Hasn't Trump threatened to drop out of NATO? Didn't he drop out of the Paris Accords? His promotion of Nationalism along with Europe's already being dissatisfied with the EU when Trump came along is now leading to the dissolution of the EU. He confronted the EU as well. He threatened to back out of the G7. Shall I continue? My point being that Trump is all about America First and is an anti-Globalist, so if you think that he'll let "International law" prevent him from anything he feels strongly enough about, then you don't know him very well.

And Trump's supporters, along with many other Americans, are a little sick and tired of NON-Americans trying to tell us how we should live.

 

[Stymietee]

Th

that diagrams you put up is the dumbest thing ever posted . They don’t go those routes because its ineffective and costly
And you have trouble with weather . For years Democrat’s have called the border a crisis so I don’t buy that argument either and I have posted video backing that up as well
Just because you have existing fencing doesn’t preclude needing a using more

The Israelis use fencing and it does work . Now I say carry your ass over to NK and try to cross that wall and tell me if it works . Then ask the east berliners if that wall worked

Walls aren’t the end all be all but they reduce traffic by a great amount

Telling me a bunch of BS about a damn drones or a camera detaining anyone is foolish . Might as well lay down a red carpet For them

If you are worried about costs , hell the shut down cost 11 bil ,it would have been cheaper to approve the damn thing

I suspect this , you all are complaining about the wall keeping out poor innocent people on one hand , yet are trying to sell me it won’t work on the other . Doesn’t make sense

Dumbest huh? Ok, let's play in your backyard for a moment. For the record, I don't give a damn about democrats either, so let's move on.

People don't follow some "funneling notion" in their attempts to come into this country, build a wall and they find some way around, over, under or through it to reach their destination. Now deny this truth!

The situation in Israel is far different than our southern border, they are actually at war with another side. Since you want too play, remove all guns and personnel at the their borders and we'll see how well their wall does. You know, that's actually the point, manpower, technology and not structures, especially a 7,000 mile long wall that displaces landowners and farmers in modern day U.S. will do what no wall can, albeit, without the disruption.

NK is all fencing except at checkpoints, or as we refer to them, legal points of entry. I have proof. It's a DMZ or safe zone, you know this! The Berlin Wall was breached numerous times, those exact numbers cannot be accurately detailed, but one thing is certain since you want to invoke this structure, it is the absolute argument for not building one at the southern border, unless of course...

If they worked, and there's already structures there, why isn't it working in your opinion? Lack of manpower and technical support perhaps? Once again, there is no crisis at our border, period. In fact there are more people returning than coming, that is a fact! Most drugs and illegal crossings happen at legal ports of entry, that too is a fact! Traffic is already reduced to a level that's the lowest in a very long time and don't attempt to give credit to dude, it has happened over a period of time.

Clearly you don't know what drones are used for and I'll not blame you for not knowing something but here's a newsflash, they don't arrest or stop but they can give an early heads-up including pin point answers to where, to those who do.

I'm not worried about costs at all, just waste, and general nonsense. A 7,000 mile wall that will take years of civil trials to make way for the initial construction to begin and is without a doubt the least effective way to secure the border there is, if it's ever built.

A wall doesn't assign blame nor innocence to people unless the reason for building it is intended to do exactly that. Immigration is uniquely blended into the life blood of this nation, we've seen what restricting immigration to certain types did before and that in part, led to WWII.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Wait.. you mean they made this bust at a port of entry?? I was under the impression the drugs were pouring in stuffed inside the bowels of kidnapped kids dragged across the barren wastes against their will. Or in vans driven across open terrain next to women tied and duct taped as they are sold into bondage.

It has to be one or the other? It can't be both? Are you that simple minded? Come on man, you are smarter than that, and if you are not, WE ARE.

 

[Stymietee]

Gentlemen and lady, I've made my points with respect to the wall, repetition might be a good thing in some instances, but this is not one of them. Let me know when the conversation turns to something that actually works to improve current border security. Later fellow posters, we're still family!

 

[Toadman005]

1. A wall will not prevent people from requesting asylum. International law (which we helped write) gives anyone with credible claim the legal right to request asylum. You also must be in said country to request asylum. So unless we are going to either put the wall right on the border, o in Mexican territory, nothing would stop people from walking up to the wall and requesting asylum.


2. Barriers walls and fences are only as good as the amount of force you are willing to use to enforce them. I know many point out how well Israels wall works. But Israel is willing to shoot on site anyone not approaching at an authorized port of entry. And Israel is actually a stolen land situation. So people trying to sneak in may in fact be intent on harming the stolen state.

1.) Asylum laws are being broken (surprise) in that many claiming they're seeking it don't fit the definition. Furthermore, as I understand it, it must be asked of the nearest neighboring country. So, only Mexicans and Canadians should be allowed to seek it here.

2.)I agree with the first part (not the bullshit about Israel being stolen). And I think we should defend our border with lethal force if necessary. And before anyone cries think of the children, if this invading hordes believe we actually WILL defend with lethal force, women and children won't be coming here illegally for fear of being shot!

 

[Sharkinva]

"International law"?? Hasn't Trump threatened to drop out of NATO? Didn't he drop out of the Paris Accords? His promotion of Nationalism along with Europe's already being dissatisfied with the EU when Trump came along is now leading to the dissolution of the EU. He confronted the EU as well. He threatened to back out of the G7. Shall I continue? My point being that Trump is all about America First and is an anti-Globalist, so if you think that he'll let "International law" prevent him from anything he feels strongly enough about, then you don't know him very well.

And Trump's supporters, along with many other Americans, are a little sick and tired of NON-Americans trying to tell us how we should live.

So basically if you dont agree with a law, screw it... well as long as you are American.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

When the president of the United states is shown the extensive tunneling system under current structures and continues to insist upon building more of the same, there's no other way to describe it than a monument of stupidity. He's selling something that he knows won't work because he campaigned on that and there's truly no way to tell the gullible that he wasn't being serious about it. It caught the imagination of some people, in fact he often bragged about it, citing his well know call and response "who's going to build it!?" "Mexico!!!"

Did you know that the largest current avenue of illegal entry of people and drugs is through Michigan? Maybe if there's really a concern over such things, the focus ought to be there.

Well, maybe once the wall has been built on our southern border, we can then turn our sites on ways of beefing up security on the northern border?

If Q is right, they could both be accomplished rather soon?

 

[Sharkinva]

Well, maybe once the wall has been built on our southern border, we can then turn our sites on ways of beefing up security on the northern border?

If Q is right, they could both be accomplished rather soon?

Just out of curiosity, would the Q you refer to be QAnon??