politics thread

[eaglesnut]

Why pull the manpower? Walls do work but are imperfect. They make the job of the border patrol easier. You are a smart man...stop acting like a dumb ass.

Nobody is scared. We are tired of this shit. Stop or slow the flow of those crossing the border illegally. Stop the drugs from crossing. Stop the human trafficking.

The fence that is currently there is insufficient. It doesn’t cover enough area and is too vulnerable.

Human trafficking us big business. Huge business. Like the fucking biggest business. So we can all see how the Democrats love Big Business and will cower to their will.

 

[Stymietee]

Why pull the manpower? Walls do work but are imperfect. They make the job of the border patrol easier. You are a smart man...stop acting like a dumb ass.

Nobody is scared. We are tired of this shit. Stop or slow the flow of those crossing the border illegally. Stop the drugs from crossing. Stop the human trafficking.

The fence that is currently there is insufficient. It doesn’t cover enough area and is too vulnerable.

I'll not exchange insults with you over a monument to stupidity! You believe that I'm acting like a dumb ass because I don't support the dumb assed idea of building a wall where one already exists, fine! You pull the manpower because some have made this into an either/or situation because they insist that walls work...They don't!
This is true because it is manpower and existing barriers that has already gotten us to a net negative illegal border crossing. Fuck it, don't believe me but perhaps the idiot who convinced you to believe in the scam will have some mind changing effect on you.


Is illegal immigration the lowest in 17 years, as Trump ...
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/25/...
Claim: Illegal immigration on the U.S.-Mexico border is "the lowest in 17 years."


True
·
Fact checked by politifact.com

• Author: Donald Trump

So, an idiot creates an issue, people fall for his lame assed notions while others make every attempt to convince the gullible that they have been and are being duped. Instead of doing some very simple fact checking or doing so while calling it "fake" they fight the nonexistent battle over a made up "crisis" then proclaim over and over again that "we are tired of this shit!"

let's say for a moment that you're right and there "needs" to be a wall built where none exists right now, or is not sufficiently grand enough. In order to build on the vast majority of these places the federal government would have to claim eminent domain, then face years of litigation because most of it is on privately owned lands. How does that solve the non existent problem by having to wait for some final court rulings?

 

[Sharkinva]

How does that solve the non existent problem by having to wait for some final court rulings?

Because they have convinced themselves that anyone who does not support the cause and willingly allow the government to have their land is obviously not a true American, and as such deserves no rights or protections under the law. They will support the government taking land to do what they want.

 

[Stymietee]

Or once the threat was disbanded...

Usually you are correct about supply and demand. If the drug supply is destroyed though, how will new users ever become addicted to a substance they have never had?

How is it a fake scenario? There are consequences to your choices. Well, let’s see...we are the greatest country in the world...perhaps allowing people to reap what they sow has got us here. Why follow the rest of the world when they are chasing us?

C'mon man! Really? disbanded? that's your counter? OK.

People find a way to get what they want in this country, that's textbook illegal use isn't it? However, let's get into your premise a little, I:E drying up supply creates a scenario where there's no forum for addiction concerning new users. Here are the top 10 reasons why people become addicted. See if you can find no supply among them. (in no particular order)

1. Experimentation
2. Family history/ Genetics
3. Prescription drugs
4. Loneliness
5. Peer Pressure
6. Drugs and alcohol can make you feel good
7. Mental health disorders
8. Recreational use
9. Alcohol isn't enough
10. Self medication

There are many reasons why people use and abuse drugs, most can be found within one of the above categories. I assure you that supply is not remotely connected to use/abuse.

I just might buy into your interesting final response if you can answer this one question. What metric related to the topic are you relying upon when you proclaim this to be the "greatest country in the world?"

 

[Toadman005]

the same way republicans picked up 60 seats on obama's first term historically that is what happens in fact trump did better the most everyone

This, but you're killing sharkipoos narrative.

Again.

 

[Sharkinva]

This, but you're killing sharkipoos narrative.

Again.

Not really. It actually proves my point. The voters were not to thrilled with Obama's agenda, and they voted in people who would oppose (check) his agenda. If America really wanted a wall, nothing Democrats said would have prevented them from voting for people who support the wall. IM pretty sure you and Skinsdad didnt vote for any democrats in 2018 after all.

 

[skinsdad62]

Not really. It actually proves my point. The voters were not to thrilled with Obama's agenda, and they voted in people who would oppose (check) his agenda. If America really wanted a wall, nothing Democrats said would have prevented them from voting for people who support the wall. IM pretty sure you and Skinsdad didnt vote for any democrats in 2018 after all.

Again this is what has historically happened , not just Obama

 

[Stymietee]

Because they have convinced themselves that anyone who does not support the cause and willingly allow the government to have their land is obviously not a true American, and as such deserves no rights or protections under the law. They will support the government taking land to do what they want.

Interesting to note that any move to claim eminent domain and the state of Texas goes blue. I'm not sure that they have completely thought this one through.

 

[skinsdad62]

This is in AZ again areas people can’t enjoy do to danger , but it’s nothing right ?

 

[Toadman005]

Not really. It actually proves my point. The voters were not to thrilled with Obama's agenda, and they voted in people who would oppose (check) his agenda. If America really wanted a wall, nothing Democrats said would have prevented them from voting for people who support the wall. IM pretty sure you and Skinsdad didnt vote for any democrats in 2018 after all.

Well, you'd be wrong.

But, that's not a surprise.

 

[skinsdad62]

Areas Americans can’t enjoy do to drug trafficking , human trafficking and illegal alien activity . So much for BS

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

I have never said it was a white only thing. I do hold to the fact that slavery in America still has vestiges in the form of how Blacks are treated by some people. Many will deny that, but the mentality of blacks as inferior was born of that time period and persists to some degree today.

Honestly, Blacks can be blamed just as much, if not more, for the negative ways many people view them.


#1 - They betrayed their own party, the party they helped create, the party that garnered them freedom, the party that fought against Jim Crowe and Segregation and that later fought for their Civil Rights. And why? 4 FREE MONEY. Not something most people respect.

#2 - Far too many of them seem to abandon their women and children. This isn't totally their fault, the Democrats love for buying votes via welfare is also very much to blame.

#3 - The way they behave. In general, it's behavior that gives most a bad impression. The men wanting to be gangstas, the women and their finger shaking attitudes. Some will claim these are just cultural things, but how did this culture evolve? Why did it? Did they create it themselves? Why? Just to be rebellious and be different than whites? Or did the Govt use social engineering to manipulate them? That would make them ignorant dupes. Didn't the Govt also funnel drugs into Black communities? And yes, the Govt should be ashamed for their actions, but what does it say about the Blacks that they were so easily duped?

#4 - Their decision to talk ebonics, eschew education, and to shun and ridicule Blacks who choose otherwise, calling them uncle toms, etc.. This is similar to #3, but also different. How many Blacks aspire to become Doctors or Scientists or Lawyers compared the # that instead aspire to be Pro athletes or Rappers or Drug dealers. Now of course these are just generalities, and some whites and Asians and Hispanics end up wanting to emulate their gangsta lifestyle and behavior, but this makes those kids' parents even more resentful and negative towards Blacks for what they consider a negative influence on culture.

#5 - Now this one is just something that I personally find interesting. But they seem to choose SEC schools over northern schools to play football for, and probably other sports, despite those schools not wanting them for so much of their history. Do they not have any honor or any principles? This is similar to their voting Democrat for the free money. I, personally, do not respect people without principles.



So no offense, but Blacks are often their own worst enemy.


The high rate of Black men raised by single mothers is acknowledged by most of the experts to be at least "A" reason, if not the main reason, why so many young Black men turn to crime and murder. And who do they murder most often? Each other. And my guess is most of the thefts and assaults and rapes they commit, are committed against their own as well. And what percentage of the drugs they sell are sold to their own people???



Now you may point to "Whites" as causing some of these problems, and that may be true.


But I don't think this is a "White vs Black" issue.

I think this is a LEFTIST/Corporatist/Globalist vs Blacks issue.


It is a cold hard fact that the Democrats opposed Blacks civil rights all the way up to 1964.

Since then? Since the Blacks betrayed and abandoned the Republican Party, too many Republicans have sold out to Corporatist/Globalist interests, for financial gain mostly.




But Trump supporters, or at least the VAST Majority of them, do not want to use or oppress Blacks, we welcome them to give up their hateful and negative feelings towards ALL whites, and to come to realize it's only the Corporatist Globalists and Leftists that want to use them and manipulate them to kill each other.

Candace Owens and Larry Elder are two fine examples of very intelligent Blacks who have figured out the best home for the Blacks of America.



Btw, who supports Planned Parenthood? And who made sure PP Clinics were set up in Black Neighborhoods?


Democratic POLITICIANS, want Blacks to either kill each other, or get hooked on drugs, or to abandon their women and kids so they can become dependent on the Govt's handouts, and they want them to point all of their frustration and anger towards WHITE Conservatives, in hopes that the Blacks will hurt the Dems opposition.

And to the Democratic voters, they lie and tell them that they simply care about the poor Blacks and that the Blacks NEED their help. And most regular Democratic voters have good intentions and honestly want to help out Blacks, so they accept their Parties lies.

But the best thing for Blacks is for them to figure out how to help themselves.


So the difference? Dems think of Blacks as either infants that need them to care for them or as uncle toms for not towing the party line and being good little anti-right anti-white soldiers

Trump supporters think of Left leaning Blacks as rebellious teenagers that just need to grow up and move out of the house and take care of themselves and act responsible, something they are very capable of doing and they think of right leaning Blacks as mature adults, and brave ones at that, who should be role models for their fellow Blacks.

 

[Stymietee]

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This is in AZ again areas people can’t enjoy do to danger , but it’s nothing right ?

Interesting view of that sign, here's how it's actually situated. (Is that a road? Hmmmm)

 

[Stymietee]

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Areas Americans can’t enjoy do to drug trafficking , human trafficking and illegal alien activity . So much for BS

Why exactly can't they enjoy this?

 

[Stymietee]

Honestly, Blacks can be blamed just as much, if not more, for the negative ways many people view them.


#1 - They betrayed their own party, the party they helped create, the party that garnered them freedom, the party that fought against Jim Crowe and Segregation and that later fought for their Civil Rights. And why? 4 FREE MONEY. Not something most people respect.

#2 - Far too many of them seem to abandon their women and children. This isn't totally their fault, the Democrats love for buying votes via welfare is also very much to blame.

#3 - The way they behave. In general, it's behavior that gives most a bad impression. The men wanting to be gangstas, the women and their finger shaking attitudes. Some will claim these are just cultural things, but how did this culture evolve? Why did it? Did they create it themselves? Why? Just to be rebellious and be different than whites? Or did the Govt use social engineering to manipulate them? That would make them ignorant dupes. Didn't the Govt also funnel drugs into Black communities? And yes, the Govt should be ashamed for their actions, but what does it say about the Blacks that they were so easily duped?

#4 - Their decision to talk ebonics, eschew education, and to shun and ridicule Blacks who choose otherwise, calling them uncle toms, etc.. This is similar to #3, but also different. How many Blacks aspire to become Doctors or Scientists or Lawyers compared the # that instead aspire to be Pro athletes or Rappers or Drug dealers. Now of course these are just generalities, and some whites and Asians and Hispanics end up wanting to emulate their gangsta lifestyle and behavior, but this makes those kids' parents even more resentful and negative towards Blacks for what they consider a negative influence on culture.

#5 - Now this one is just something that I personally find interesting. But they seem to choose SEC schools over northern schools to play football for, and probably other sports, despite those schools not wanting them for so much of their history. Do they not have any honor or any principles? This is similar to their voting Democrat for the free money. I, personally, do not respect people without principles.



So no offense, but Blacks are often their own worst enemy.


The high rate of Black men raised by single mothers is acknowledged by most of the experts to be at least "A" reason, if not the main reason, why so many young Black men turn to crime and murder. And who do they murder most often? Each other. And my guess is most of the thefts and assaults and rapes they commit, are committed against their own as well. And what percentage of the drugs they sell are sold to their own people???



Now you may point to "Whites" as causing some of these problems, and that may be true.


But I don't think this is a "White vs Black" issue.

I think this is a LEFTIST/Corporatist/Globalist vs Blacks issue.


It is a cold hard fact that the Democrats opposed Blacks civil rights all the way up to 1964.

Since then? Since the Blacks betrayed and abandoned the Republican Party, too many Republicans have sold out to Corporatist/Globalist interests, for financial gain mostly.




But Trump supporters, or at least the VAST Majority of them, do not want to use or oppress Blacks, we welcome them to give up their hateful and negative feelings towards ALL whites, and to come to realize it's only the Corporatist Globalists and Leftists that want to use them and manipulate them to kill each other.

Candace Owens and Larry Elder are two fine examples of very intelligent Blacks who have figured out the best home for the Blacks of America.



Btw, who supports Planned Parenthood? And who made sure PP Clinics were set up in Black Neighborhoods?


Democratic POLITICIANS, want Blacks to either kill each other, or get hooked on drugs, or to abandon their women and kids so they can become dependent on the Govt's handouts, and they want them to point all of their frustration and anger towards WHITE Conservatives, in hopes that the Blacks will hurt the Dems opposition.

And to the Democratic voters, they lie and tell them that they simply care about the poor Blacks and that the Blacks NEED their help. And most regular Democratic voters have good intentions and honestly want to help out Blacks, so they accept their Parties lies.

But the best thing for Blacks is for them to figure out how to help themselves.


So the difference? Dems think of Blacks as either infants that need them to care for them or as uncle toms for not towing the party line and being good little anti-right anti-white soldiers

Trump supporters think of Left leaning Blacks as rebellious teenagers that just need to grow up and move out of the house and take care of themselves and act responsible, something they are very capable of doing and they think of right leaning Blacks as mature adults, and brave ones at that, who should be role models for their fellow Blacks.

A very fine oration that amounts to nothing because of a lack of historical perspective. I would love to get into this with you but it seems that your mind is locked into so much blather that facts don't really register. So good of you to take the entitled position outlining how others approach and fight against those things that affect some but not the vast majority of the people who are the subject of your nonsense. For the record, 73% of so-called "blacks" live above the poverty level, your move!

 

[Sharkinva]

Honestly, Blacks can be blamed just as much, if not more, for the negative ways many people view them.


#1 - They betrayed their own party, the party they helped create, the party that garnered them freedom, the party that fought against Jim Crowe and Segregation and that later fought for their Civil Rights. And why? 4 FREE MONEY. Not something most people respect.

#2 - Far too many of them seem to abandon their women and children. This isn't totally their fault, the Democrats love for buying votes via welfare is also very much to blame.

#3 - The way they behave. In general, it's behavior that gives most a bad impression. The men wanting to be gangstas, the women and their finger shaking attitudes. Some will claim these are just cultural things, but how did this culture evolve? Why did it? Did they create it themselves? Why? Just to be rebellious and be different than whites? Or did the Govt use social engineering to manipulate them? That would make them ignorant dupes. Didn't the Govt also funnel drugs into Black communities? And yes, the Govt should be ashamed for their actions, but what does it say about the Blacks that they were so easily duped?

#4 - Their decision to talk ebonics, eschew education, and to shun and ridicule Blacks who choose otherwise, calling them uncle toms, etc.. This is similar to #3, but also different. How many Blacks aspire to become Doctors or Scientists or Lawyers compared the # that instead aspire to be Pro athletes or Rappers or Drug dealers. Now of course these are just generalities, and some whites and Asians and Hispanics end up wanting to emulate their gangsta lifestyle and behavior, but this makes those kids' parents even more resentful and negative towards Blacks for what they consider a negative influence on culture.

#5 - Now this one is just something that I personally find interesting. But they seem to choose SEC schools over northern schools to play football for, and probably other sports, despite those schools not wanting them for so much of their history. Do they not have any honor or any principles? This is similar to their voting Democrat for the free money. I, personally, do not respect people without principles.



So no offense, but Blacks are often their own worst enemy.


The high rate of Black men raised by single mothers is acknowledged by most of the experts to be at least "A" reason, if not the main reason, why so many young Black men turn to crime and murder. And who do they murder most often? Each other. And my guess is most of the thefts and assaults and rapes they commit, are committed against their own as well. And what percentage of the drugs they sell are sold to their own people???



Now you may point to "Whites" as causing some of these problems, and that may be true.


But I don't think this is a "White vs Black" issue.

I think this is a LEFTIST/Corporatist/Globalist vs Blacks issue.


It is a cold hard fact that the Democrats opposed Blacks civil rights all the way up to 1964.

Since then? Since the Blacks betrayed and abandoned the Republican Party, too many Republicans have sold out to Corporatist/Globalist interests, for financial gain mostly.




But Trump supporters, or at least the VAST Majority of them, do not want to use or oppress Blacks, we welcome them to give up their hateful and negative feelings towards ALL whites, and to come to realize it's only the Corporatist Globalists and Leftists that want to use them and manipulate them to kill each other.

Candace Owens and Larry Elder are two fine examples of very intelligent Blacks who have figured out the best home for the Blacks of America.



Btw, who supports Planned Parenthood? And who made sure PP Clinics were set up in Black Neighborhoods?


Democratic POLITICIANS, want Blacks to either kill each other, or get hooked on drugs, or to abandon their women and kids so they can become dependent on the Govt's handouts, and they want them to point all of their frustration and anger towards WHITE Conservatives, in hopes that the Blacks will hurt the Dems opposition.

And to the Democratic voters, they lie and tell them that they simply care about the poor Blacks and that the Blacks NEED their help. And most regular Democratic voters have good intentions and honestly want to help out Blacks, so they accept their Parties lies.

But the best thing for Blacks is for them to figure out how to help themselves.


So the difference? Dems think of Blacks as either infants that need them to care for them or as uncle toms for not towing the party line and being good little anti-right anti-white soldiers

Trump supporters think of Left leaning Blacks as rebellious teenagers that just need to grow up and move out of the house and take care of themselves and act responsible, something they are very capable of doing and they think of right leaning Blacks as mature adults, and brave ones at that, who should be role models for their fellow Blacks.

Very eloquently put. You do leave out a rather major details though. After the 1964 civil rights movement, most of those racist democrats (dixiecrats actually) switched over to the Republican party.

I know that the new hotness is all about assimilation. And why dont more blacks assimilate into a more "Acceptable" culture. But the truth is, the blacks you seem to respect, tend to be blacks that act like what you would expect from a respectable white man. So to me, assimilation is not the desire, emulation is. And at the end of the day, just as many dont want to abandon their "heritage" so they cling to things like the rebel flag. I dont feel I should have to pretend to be an acceptable example of my race in order to be tolerated. Last I checked this country was supposed to be based in part on personal freedom. So I should not have to do my best to emulate your culture in order to be tolerated. Because unless we are willing to completely abandon anything of our culture, we are not tolerated much less accepted.

 

[ehb5]

Americans want a wall.
Criminals don't.
Gallup doesn't remove criminals from their polling.

Well... Most Americans don't want a wall so no

 

[ehb5]

No. That makes no sense.

Being granted amnesty would be a reward. They gain everything and have done nothing to earn it. Denyting that option isn't punishment.

So what's your plan for them then?

 

[ehb5]

ebb is for open borders no matter how many americans are victims of their crimes . he might put up a lame defense saying he isnt but every policy he supports is either the SOS or is half ass at best . he is foolish enough to buy that illegals contribute far more then they take at less the minimum wage which doesnt pass the common sense test

its all about trump hate because the people he supports now are the same ones who wanted a wall before trump said he wanted it

I mean now you're just outright lying but you do you man.


You seem to be confused. My policy beliefs are based on facts and data. That then determined which politicians I support.

I realize that's confusing to you though, since you don't actually care about your country, you just care about your guy winning and the other side losing.

 

[ehb5]

nope doesnt do it they got the election wrong

Serious question... Have you ever taken a statistics course?

Also...

If you are going to throw out any poll you disagree with... Aren't you free to make up your own reality?

Truth doesn't exist to you at that point.