Im sorry Mussina isnt deserving of HOF.

[black francis]

He played for Oakland?

Giambi
A-Rod
Sheffield
Pettitte
Clemens
Jeter
Curtis
Posada
Canseco
Posada
Knoblauch
Estalella

and I'm missing a few like Soriano, Grimsley, O'Neill and Sojo

 

[The Q]

He is one of 3 pitchers in the last 40 years to be a inducted as a starting pitcher without 300 wins or a Cy Young award.

The other 2 to achieve this dubious honor are Burt Blyleven and Jack Morris who were BOTH highly controversial.

Basically he's a new Bert Blyleven.

FTR, I actually like Mussina. He's a first ballot Hall of Very Good for me. But I don't see how he's a Hall of Famer.

FTR, I think both Martinez and Smith were questionable at best as well.

If you’re letting Rivera in, you can’t argue with Edgar imo.

 

[The Q]

He’s probably one of the top 50 pitchers of all time when adjusted for era.

He’s in.

So should schilling.

 

[black francis]

Greinke loves that Mussina is in

Makes him pretty much a shoo in

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Greinke loves that Mussina is in

Makes him pretty much a shoo in

Yeah, because he’s got about a thousand fewer innings and nearly one hundred fewer wins than Mussina...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Oh goddamn it, why are some of you the way that you are.

 

[The Q]

Oh goddamn it, why are some of you the way that you are.

Statistical odds

 

[Montalban]

Lol

I'm used to it.

Halladay was always a HOFer to me. Just think he might've went a year or two on the ballot if it weren't for his untimely death. Ron Santo waited 30 years. Dies and BOOM, hello Cooperstown.


Rivera wouldn't have been the first unanimous selection if votes weren't public either. He got it out of fear. Silly that a relief pitcher is the first guy ever if you ask me. Even if he's GOAT at his position.

Ya the one that cracks me up the most is "You're not a baseball fan". Yeah that's a surprise about Rivera. I'd like to know who didn't vote for Willie Mays, Henry Aaron or Babe Ruth.

 

[broncosmitty]

Giambi
A-Rod
Sheffield
Pettitte
Clemens
Jeter
Curtis
Posada
Canseco
Posada
Knoblauch
Estalella

and I'm missing a few like Soriano, Grimsley, O'Neill and Sojo

I think Jeter has gained four pounds since HS.

All those strikeouts were au natural.


Bonus points for mentioning local anti-hero Chad Curtis. The King of HS trim.

 

[broncosmitty]

Ya the one that cracks me up the most is "You're not a baseball fan". Yeah that's a surprise about Rivera. I'd like to know who didn't vote for Willie Mays, Henry Aaron or Babe Ruth.

I don't remember how that worked with the first few classes. Babe didn't get the most votes though. Cobb did.

 

[broncosmitty]

He’s probably one of the top 50 pitchers of all time when adjusted for era.

He’s in.

So should schilling.

Sucks, but that fuck will get in next year.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Yeah, because he’s got about a thousand fewer innings and nearly one hundred fewer wins than Mussina...

Wins are going the way of the dinosaur when it comes to judging starting pitchers. 250 is going to be the new 300 within about 10 years.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Wins are going the way of the dinosaur when it comes to judging starting pitchers. 250 is going to be the new 300 within about 10 years.

That’s all well and good. Greinkie doesn’t even have 190.

Regardless, Greinke may or may not get in, but my point was that Mussina’s induction in no way makes him a shoo-in at this point.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Sucks, but that fuck will get in next year.

If he wasn't a complete asshole, he probably is in already.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

That’s all well and good. Greinkie doesn’t even have 190.

Regardless, my point was that Mussina’s induction in no way makes Greinke a shoo-in.

Fair enough, but 12-13 wins a year for 5 more years isn't absurd to think about. And I think among his peers, he has as good of a chance as anyone.

Shoo-in is a little strong, but he's got at least a decent shot.

 

[broncosmitty]

If he wasn't a complete asshole, he probably is in already.

That and Halladay not being much of a stunt pilot.

 

[broncosmitty]

Fair enough, but 12-13 wins a year for 5 more years isn't absurd to think about. And I think among his peers, he has as good of a chance as anyone.

Shoo-in is a little strong, but he's got at least a decent shot.

He's down the list imo among his contemporaries.


Could do it, but he has his work cut out for him.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Fair enough, but 12-13 wins a year for 5 more years isn't absurd to think about. And I think among his peers, he has as good of a chance as anyone.

Shoo-in is a little strong, but he's got at least a decent shot.

You don’t get it.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

You don’t get it.

Ok, explain it to me then. I laid out what he could do. He isn't going to be Mussina, because he isn't that much of a workhorse, but that's mostly generational.

I'm not smart, but I'm not an idiot.

 

[Rex Racer]

If he wasn't a complete asshole, he probably is in already.

How do you figure? Mussina was universally reviled by opponents and his own teammates during his career and being a ginormous dooshbag didn't stop his "never dominant, asshole self" from getting in.