politics thread

[skinsdad62]

Would that you were so willing to punish everyone who broke our laws as much as you seems to want to punish these people.

they get a better life but they dont vote shark , hardly a death sentence . felons arent allowed to vote either (now in most states )

 

[Sharkinva]

they get a better life but they dont vote shark , hardly a death sentence . felons arent allowed to vote either (now in most states )

Actually.. thats changing boss. Florida for one just restored the voting rights of 1.5 million individuals.

 

[gkekoa]

I get that, and it sounds very rational. But two things.

1. I always find it rather lopsided which laws you guys want to support and enforce to the fullest.
2. You are punishing people for violating a system that is intentionally broken so that the system can be broken further.

1- I want all laws enforced to the fullest. What laws are you referring to some not wanting enforced?

2- Who is intentionally breaking it? Democrats won’t even talk about it.

 

[Sharkinva]

1- I want all laws enforced to the fullest. What laws are you referring to some not wanting enforced?

2- Who is intentionally breaking it? Democrats won’t even talk about it.

So you want trump fully investigated and if found to have committed crimes held accountable just as you would have for Clinton or Obama??

The system was broken from the moment it was implemented. Democrats offered him $25B for border security and wall funding in exchange for immigration reform.. Trump turned it down because it offered protection and a path to citizenship for Daca and TPS. So who refused to talk about it?

 

[skinsdad62]

immigration ISNT A RIGHT . immigration is a pact between those who want to move to another country and those that receive them .

most countries take immigrants in on the basis of self interests . if canada and austrailia need more doctors and nurses they open their doors for them and nary a word is said .

no different then what Trump wants . he wants immigrants that help our national interests just like any other country

yes trump is a nationalist so was ghandi and so was mandela , so was winstin churchill and degaulle and so was lincoln

if trump were the authoritarian racist , facist you make him out to be then why would he let the media, on all platforms , from commentators , to late night comedians flay him on a daily basis ?. its just left wing BS

the idea that only american whites are the only group of people to take land away from a weaker group of people is another myth that needs to be rooted out

those central and south american people you fall on your sword today wiped out the whole native peoples in THOSE lands much like the whites, . the DNA to virtually everyone living in central . and south america can be traced back to spain and portugal . same with the carribean .

china did the same as well as africa and india and the middle east and europe too

it is HUMAN nature , NOT just WHITE nature to do this yet america has to bare some kind of burden no other country in the history of civilization has either

its really damn simple , respect our laws that our duly elected representatives made into law and enter the country the way WE ALLOW it . if our laws are screwed up so the hell what ? as americans we can elect representatives to fix them but no foriegner has any damn right to tell us how to run OUR country

when i go to a foreign land i have to respect their laws on who they let in and who they dont . i have to respect all their laws or face consequences . why is that all of a sudden different in the US ? why dont the world wide standards apply to all ?

and all these dems you are in love with to a person held the same belief's that trump has when it comes to the border . there are videos on twitter and FB quite frequently showing this . the difference is who is actually doing something about it and who just runs their collective mouths about it

 

[skinsdad62]

So you want trump fully investigated and if found to have committed crimes held accountable just as you would have for Clinton or Obama??

The system was broken from the moment it was implemented. Democrats offered him $25B for border security and wall funding in exchange for immigration reform.. Trump turned it down because it offered protection and a path to citizenship for Daca and TPS. So who refused to talk about it?

for 2 years people have gone after TRUMP and have found nothing . HRC committed crime in regards to classified information as well as her surrogates as well as the DOJ and FBI in regards to the 2016 campaign . niether have been held accountable

whether the system was broken or not is of no consequence . what is of consequence is its out country and our laws that need to be respected

as for the alleged offer border security wasnt put first . trump had to approve the first part the dems wanted and later the might do it . reagon feel for that trick in 86

but trump did counter the offer saying he would allow more people to stay but no path to citizenship . its called negotiation

 

[gkekoa]

So you want trump fully investigated and if found to have committed crimes held accountable just as you would have for Clinton or Obama??

The system was broken from the moment it was implemented. Democrats offered him $25B for border security and wall funding in exchange for immigration reform.. Trump turned it down because it offered protection and a path to citizenship for Daca and TPS. So who refused to talk about it?

If Trump is believed to committed a crime, absolutely. Just don’t go looking for a crime in the investigation.

When? Also, even if they offer, they need to put it in legislation. Trump can’t just say, deal.

 

[Sharkinva]

It is LEGAL to request asylum.

It is legal to request asylum at a border crossing point, or from ANY official in the employ of the US, and this does not have to be at an official border crossing point.

It may in fact be illegal for a border agent to turn someone away who requests asylum (this is currently in courts I believe).

 

[skinsdad62]

It is LEGAL to request asylum.

It is legal to request asylum at a border crossing point, or from ANY official in the employ of the US, and this does not have to be at an official border crossing point.

It may in fact be illegal for a border agent to turn someone away who requests asylum (this is currently in courts I believe).

and trump also wants to make it that they can request aslyum in their home countries as well , so what it isnt a right

 

[Sharkinva]

and trump also wants to make it that they can request aslyum in their home countries as well , so what it isnt a right

Actually according to the UN convention (of which we are a charter member and had a hand in writing its laws) these people do in fact have a RIGHT to request asylum.

So unless you are a fan of pulling out of the UN and Nato, again the y are doing it the legal way. Just not the way you would like.

 

[Sharkinva]

So IM going to switch lanes here for a sec.

How long before someone proposes making things like the national parks and museums for profit entities. Run by private contract.

Same for TSA.

 

[j_y19]

So IM going to switch lanes here for a sec.

How long before someone proposes making things like the national parks and museums for profit entities. Run by private contract.

Same for TSA.

Well, in theory, I am. This assumes that it reduces our federal budget and my tax burden. I firmly believe that private enterprise can more efficiently run almost anything compared to our Government. Let the ones using the parks and museums pay for it.

Oh the the Post Office should definitely be privatized.

 

[gkekoa]

It is LEGAL to request asylum.

It is legal to request asylum at a border crossing point, or from ANY official in the employ of the US, and this does not have to be at an official border crossing point.

It may in fact be illegal for a border agent to turn someone away who requests asylum (this is currently in courts I believe).

It is also not illegal to deny them asylum. There are very strict guidelines by which we grant asylum...homecountry violence is not one of them.

Oh, and I am all for leaving the UN and NATO.

 

[j_y19]

Nobody said they should vote as noncitizens. I said they should vote as citizens and denying that would be absurd.

I dont thing Dad's proposal ever granted them citizenship.

 

[Toadman005]

 

[gkekoa]

So IM going to switch lanes here for a sec.

How long before someone proposes making things like the national parks and museums for profit entities. Run by private contract.

Same for TSA.

I will propose it. It would be far cheaper.

 

[Sharkinva]

I dont thing Dad's proposal ever granted them citizenship.

Again , why not. People have done much worse than sneak across our border.. and became President for forks sake. IM not saying automatic. And once they are on the legal roles, they obviously need to play nice. But Im not one to be so uptight as to say, you snuck into the country (or tried to in a few million cases), as such if i cant kick you out, I never want you to actually belong.

The only real reason to be that petty is if you think they will change the dynamic of the country drastically by them having the ability to vote or run for office.

 

[Sharkinva]

I will propose it. It would be far cheaper.

In the beginning maybe. BUt considering they would still be government contractors, I think for things like TSA, Air Trafic control they would become more expensive.

As for the museums ( and schools would be next), you really want these things to become a situation where if you cant afford it you shouldnt be afforded it as most of these were setup as public domain.

 

[Sharkinva]

This assumes that it reduces our federal budget and my tax burden

Everyone is fooled that the Government will ever reduce our tax burden. The reality is, even if they made these entities private, they would find other ways to spend that tax money and thus not reduce our tax burdens.

 

[Sharkinva]

It is also not illegal to deny them asylum. There are very strict guidelines by which we grant asylum...homecountry violence is not one of them.

Oh, and I am all for leaving the UN and NATO.

If home country violence is not a solid enough reason to grant someone Asylum, then Ellis Island should be nuked.

And yes I know you hate the New Colossus and the plack it stands on. Inviting the worlds downtrodden ito America.. the nerve of that French bitch.