politics thread

[Stymietee]

in a previous post DGF stated that the watergate investigation and the iran contra investigation took longer then the BS russian investigation

watergate investigation started after the june 17 break in on the 18th of june 1972 it lasted till before aug 9 1974 when president nixon resigned , that is less then 2 years

the iran contra investigation started nov 25 1986 -26 feb 1987 at which time the court proceedings started or less then a year

records for the IG , senate and congressional testimony indicate the trump russian probe started in july of 2016 and as of this wring we are into dec 2018 over 2 years and counting

the fact is this investigation and the fisa warrants were obtained under false pretenses using a bought and paid for dossier obtained from an opposition party bought and paid for by the DNC and HRC campaign that MR comey just admitted wasnt verified as required by law

comey violated several laws during the email investigation and subsequent trump investigation too include leaking classified information leading to the apt of mueller

i have listed these violations backed up by the corresponding laws and FBI regulations way earlier in this thread

to say that this stormy daniels BS and the other woman meant people wouldnt have supported him is just plain dumb in lue of the october surprise NBC video . . his supporters saw that video and determined that HRC's vision of where she wanted to take the country was/is something they couldnt stomach

over and over again leftist simply just dont know why Trump was elected . its either trumper voters are stupid or racists or woman are under their white husbands thumb instead of just looking at the policies of liberals / socialists and understand a great great many people oppose that direction

now until you understand that you will chase racists ghost that arent there . keep listening to the MSM , and how they dismiss what is easily seen and downplay it as " conspiracies "

 

[Stymietee]

I care about our leader following the law, allowing the investigation to proceed without his interference, and to hold those accountable should crimes be discovered. We need to allow Mueller to fully investigate this and all the side roads he has found as he investigates an administration full of people who broke the law. He should be able to do his job without his target and supporters constantly attacking and attempting to discredit a man with tremendous integrity. And he should be allowed to take as much time as necessary to complete the job. We have not seen evidence of collusion because the report has not been released. I’m NOT saying it happened, just pointing out how not seeing any evidence to date does not mean it didn’t happen.

I fail to see how this is an unreasonable position to take. I don’t understand the need to reference Obama or Hillary but as I said I think lying about Benghazi was wrong too. But we are discussed President Trump, the investigative and how he has surround himself with a cabinet full of crooks and liars against after the promise to drain the swamp.

I am a Vietnam war veteran who is clear on one thing relating to this guy. As a veteran, treason is punishable by death. Now anyone here can agree with me or not but what I saw and heard in Helsinki was treasonous. Never mind the responses, you're not going to change my mind on this because wearing the uniform there's an expectation that no one will do this, why should the millions of us who agree that he did exactly that, expect less from the CIC?

 

[Stymietee]

So it isn’t illegal to pay hush money, unless you are a public official, like Congress and their hush fund?

You know as well as anyone the term "Hush money" is used colloquially, however if you look it up you get...

Hush money legal definition of hush money - Legal Dictionary
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/hush+money

 

[j_y19]

OK, since you've indicated that "this is the type of response I don't get." Let me explain to you why you don't get it.
As a stand alone response you would be absolutely correct in calling me out for making it. However in context, something that you've admittedly not taken the time to do, you would have understood that my response was a direct reflection to other posters who are of a certain political leaning attempting to spin the actions of these republicans as those of the opposition.

I don't mind that you've taken the time to respond, and your point concerning partisanship is well taken, but I would appreciate some credit for posting a response that is contextually directly related to previous concerns.

1. I think everyone is stuck on the wrong C word. Conspiracy is likely what Mueller is making a case for among other things.

2. They have Cohen and Pecker both saying Trump paid the hoes so as not to have it effect the election.

3. At the end of the day I think he indicts Don Jr, Jared and probably others.. trump will be at most an unindicted co-conspirator

if they get
Pecker to sing, they might have a case. He could corroborate Cohen’s latest position. But Cohen by himself won’t fly.

 

[j_y19]

OK, since you've indicated that "this is the type of response I don't get." Let me explain to you why you don't get it.
As a stand alone response you would be absolutely correct in calling me out for making it. However in context, something that you've admittedly not taken the time to do, you would have understood that my response was a direct reflection to other posters who are of a certain political leaning attempting to spin the actions of these republicans as those of the opposition.

I don't mind that you've taken the time to respond, and your point concerning partisanship is well taken, but I would appreciate some credit for posting a response that is contextually directly related to previous concerns.

You get that credit. I just hope we can get to a point where we stop trying to prove which side is worse and onto actual intelligent discussion about workable solutions to out nation’s problems. This applies to us all.

 

[j_y19]

Again you've jumped in without understand why this was my response. In fact this was a response to YOUR inquiry, remember? Just in case here it is.

[QUOTE="j_y19, post: 12586744, member: 4983"]Sty, this tape you refer to, what exactly does Trump say? Does he specifically state that the money is to stop her from talking about their affair? Its an important distinction and the wording is very important.

I supplied the link to the tape because YOU asked what was on it. (see: underlined above) How you want to apply it I'm sure will be different from the way it's being related to investigators. Trumps biggest problem is, he talks too damned much and it will be his own words that betray him.[/QUOTE]
Ok. I was under the impression that you referred to this tape as some sort of smoking gun for Trump. This tape is virtually worthless.

 

[Sharkinva]

if they get
Pecker to sing, they might have a case. He could corroborate Cohen’s latest position. But Cohen by himself won’t fly.

Pecker sang two days ago according to some reports.

 

[gkekoa]

Ok, I say moving forward every presidential candidate should have their communications tapped and have theirselves along with friends and families investigated by the fbi. I wonder how many candidates we’d have? I’m gonna say none

I would run. I don’t give a damn. I am squeaky freakin’ clean.

 

[gkekoa]

Yes, changing your mind when new information comes to light is rather, well, typical.

C'mon man, give it up, there have been 98736562547573726464727467 hearings and investigations on Benghazi, if the congress wanted more security there they would have approved it prior to the attacks. There's a reason why they cannot find criminal or any other type of misconduct related to that event. They were responsible for those deaths and they know it!

All I am saying about Benghazi is this...Obam’s entire WH lied for two weeks about the cause in order to not have a terrorist attack just weeks before the election.

I don’t find the decision reprehensible. I do have a major issue with the lie.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

They are going to get nothing on him for Russian collusion. Mueller might, however, get him on campaign violations. But he will need provable facts. Tapes, emails, etc. Cohen's testimony alone won't do it. It's one liar's word against another's. Campaign laws are a bit different. Ignorance of these laws is a valid defense. If Trump didn't know the payments were illegal, he can't be held responsible. That's fucked up. But that is the way it is. So if trump changes his story again and says he never knew such payments were violating campaign laws and he just relied on his lawyer (cohen) to do it with in the laws, then Mueller will have a tough case. Which is probably why nothing has been brought against Trump. The worst thing Mueller could do is indict a sitting President and then not be able to prove it.

What makes you say they will get nothing on Russian collusion when you have not seen the report? Do you think it's not possible that his people did talk to Russia about obtaining their help, then being the control freak that he is orchestrated a cover up? I still think that's very much in play.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

in a previous post DGF stated that the watergate investigation and the iran contra investigation took longer then the BS russian investigation

watergate investigation started after the june 17 break in on the 18th of june 1972 it lasted till before aug 9 1974 when president nixon resigned , that is less then 2 years

the iran contra investigation started nov 25 1986 -26 feb 1987 at which time the court proceedings started or less then a year

records for the IG , senate and congressional testimony indicate the trump russian probe started in july of 2016 and as of this wring we are into dec 2018 over 2 years and counting

the fact is this investigation and the fisa warrants were obtained under false pretenses using a bought and paid for dossier obtained from an opposition party bought and paid for by the DNC and HRC campaign that MR comey just admitted wasnt verified as required by law

comey violated several laws during the email investigation and subsequent trump investigation too include leaking classified information leading to the apt of mueller

i have listed these violations backed up by the corresponding laws and FBI regulations way earlier in this thread

to say that this stormy daniels BS and the other woman meant people wouldnt have supported him is just plain dumb in lue of the october surprise NBC video . . his supporters saw that video and determined that HRC's vision of where she wanted to take the country was/is something they couldnt stomach

over and over again leftist simply just dont know why Trump was elected . its either trumper voters are stupid or racists or woman are under their white husbands thumb instead of just looking at the policies of liberals / socialists and understand a great great many people oppose that direction

now until you understand that you will chase racists ghost that arent there . keep listening to the MSM , and how they dismiss what is easily seen and downplay it as " conspiracies "

Nothing personal Dad but this is the exact discussion I have been having on the politics board for 2 years, not really interested in going down this road here. When I read the poster blaming the MSM it's time I check out, heard this just too often to want to continue. I'll simply point out the MSM is no more biased than Feux News or other conservative sources.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So, if he has unquestioned integrity, why did he appoint ALL Clinton cronies to do this investigation? Why has he deviated to such an extreme degree, one may call that unConstitutional, in this investigation? Are you seriously telling me that this investigation into Russia hasn’t had him uncover anything on anybody from the Clinton side?

Didn’t Obama appoint a man convicted of tax evasion for a cabinet position?

Are you really comparing one tax evasion conviction with the number of indictments and guilty pleas from all the Trump's folks? I was going to post the number but I can't find a current source as the number literally grows constantly. We both know it's a shit load and hardly one guy with a tax issue from his past. I'm kind of shocked you went down this road given the scoreboard. But it's what the Trump guys do, they tend to deflect with "what about Obama (or Hillary or whomever) instead of acknowledging the problems with Trump.

There has never been an administration with this many indictments and guilty pleas. Ever. Most corrupt cabinet we have ever seen. And yeah that's a problem.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So, if he has unquestioned integrity, why did he appoint ALL Clinton cronies to do this investigation? Why has he deviated to such an extreme degree, one may call that unConstitutional, in this investigation? Are you seriously telling me that this investigation into Russia hasn’t had him uncover anything on anybody from the Clinton side?

Didn’t Obama appoint a man convicted of tax evasion for a cabinet position?

Why is Mueller deviating to such an extreme degree? Because he has found evidence of crimes that have led to guilty pleas so obviously there were crimes committed. Again you are suggesting an investigator simply overlook that? That's not how it works, they find info on a crime they follow it. Why on Earth would you want crooks to get away with illegal activity? As a tax payer are you suggesting we simply allow Paul Manafort to escape punishment for swindling American tax payers out of millions of unpaid taxes? That's crazy.

As for your claim on Mueller, which matches Trump when he Tweeted "Why isn’t Mueller looking at all of the criminal activity and real Russian collusion on the Democratic side; Podesta dossier?”

Well Mueller is doing exactly that as he investigates Padesto, the brother of Hillary's campaign manager. Again he found info unrelated to the original investigation and is follow up on it. Both ways.


Brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager UNDER INVESTIGATION in Trump-Mueller probe

TONY Podesta and a number of high profile officials are facing legal inquiries following a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating collusion between US individuals and the Russian government in connection to the 2016 presidential election.

Mr Podesta, a former lobbyist, along with former Republican congressman from Minnesota Vin Weber, and Greg Craig, a former White House counsel in the Obama White House, are facing an investigation by the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, according to sources.

It was previously reported Mr Mueller was looking into Mr Podesta and his Democrat-leaning lobbying firm, Podesta Group, in relation to his wider investigation into the finances of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager UNDER INVESTIGATION in Trump-Mueller probe

 

[j_y19]

What makes you say they will get nothing on Russian collusion when you have not seen the report? Do you think it's not possible that his people did talk to Russia about obtaining their help, then being the control freak that he is orchestrated a cover up? I still think that's very much in play.

Do I think its possible? With Trump, yes. But I don't think its probable. The reason why I don't think the Russian colllusion has legs is that none of Trump' guys who have been convicted had anything to do with Russia, with the exception of Flynn and his meeting with the Russian Ambassador has been deemed legal. They are all campaign violations, tax fraud, or lying under oath.

Contrary to what many think, I actually believe that Trump is damn near brilliant. He knows how to cover his tracks. What will bring him down is not his intelligence, but his ego.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Do I think its possible? With Trump, yes. But I don't think its probable. The reason why I don't think the Russian colllusion has legs is that none of Trump' guys who have been convicted had anything to do with Russia, with the exception of Flynn and his meeting with the Russian Ambassador has been deemed legal. They are all campaign violations, tax fraud, or lying under oath.

Contrary to what many think, I actually believe that Trump is damn near brilliant. He knows how to cover his tracks. What will bring him down is not his intelligence, but his ego.

Good morning. I agree Trump is brilliant, Hell getting elected with all his baggage was nothing short of brilliant. Never would I have believed a man seen mocking the disabled and bragging about grabbing pussies would win the election after seeing Gary Hart going down the shitter for lying about an affair. There used to be a certain level of expected behavior from the Office of the President, Trump has somehow managed to turn that upside down and can behave as he wishes without ramifications. I have no idea how that is possible.

As for the collusion thing again we have not seen the evidence so nobody can be sure there was none. . The charges to date have nothing to do with collusion, this is true. However they were discover as part of the collusion investigation. Mueller worked deals on those charges for cooperation with regard to the collusion. Why would he do that if he has found nothing with regard to collusion? So naturally they are not being charged with collusion (more specifically conspiracy which is a crime) because those charges have not been filed yet. They are helping him build that case potentially. That does not mean there was no collusion.

 

[skinsdad62]

Nothing personal Dad but this is the exact discussion I have been having on the politics board for 2 years, not really interested in going down this road here. When I read the poster blaming the MSM it's time I check out, heard this just too often to want to continue. I'll simply point out the MSM is no more biased than Feux News or other conservative sources.

I doubt you watch Fox News based on your comments . If the MSM. Has a 92,% negative story on the president then I submit there is huge bias . My writings come straight from the source . I watch everything. . I have posted BS from the MSM . I will say this . Hold your breath and see what happens to Trump . As I have said from day one ,the left will continue to make up BS investigations until Trump is done as president . There is no collusion , stormy daniels won’t stand , see Edwards , and no indictments or convictions have anything to do with Trump or collusion and flynn’s Issues are about to be thrown out .

 

[skinsdad62]

U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor has ruled that Obamacare is unconstitutional which potentially puts the future of the federal healthcare law in serious jeopardy.

This will see the Supreme Court

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I doubt you watch Fox News based on your comments . If the MSM. Has a 92,% negative story on the president then I submit there is huge bias . My writings come straight from the source . I watch everything. . I have posted BS from the MSM . I will say this . Hold your breath and see what happens to Trump . As I have said from day one ,the left will continue to make up BS investigations until Trump is done as president . There is no collusion , stormy daniels won’t stand , see Edwards , and no indictments or convictions have anything to do with Trump or collusion and flynn’s Issues are about to be thrown out .

Actually I do on occasion watch Fox. I also listened to some conservative radio talk show last night as I was picking up pizza. Oddly enough I heard an ad for a medical marijuana dispensary on that show, first ad of that kind I have ever heard and found it ironic. I want to give the other side a chance so I do tune in. All I hear is more excuses or attempts to discredit Mueller rather than acknowledging that these people plead guilty to felonies, they weren't trapped by mean old Robert Mueller they were crooks. And they were offered pleas because they had a story to tell.

 

[skinsdad62]

Actually I do on occasion watch Fox. I also listened to some conservative radio talk show last night as I was picking up pizza. Oddly enough I heard an ad for a medical marijuana dispensary on that show, first ad of that kind I have ever heard and found it ironic. I want to give the other side a chance so I do tune in. All I hear is more excuses or attempts to discredit Mueller rather than acknowledging that these people plead guilty to felonies, they weren't trapped by mean old Robert Mueller they were crooks. And they were offered pleas because they had a story to tell.

You need to research more and understand who is on His team . Also learn what people were convicted of and how they were entrapped . Flynn case is about to be overturned .

 

[gkekoa]

Are you really comparing one tax evasion conviction with the number of indictments and guilty pleas from all the Trump's folks? I was going to post the number but I can't find a current source as the number literally grows constantly. We both know it's a shit load and hardly one guy with a tax issue from his past. I'm kind of shocked you went down this road given the scoreboard. But it's what the Trump guys do, they tend to deflect with "what about Obama (or Hillary or whomever) instead of acknowledging the problems with Trump.

There has never been an administration with this many indictments and guilty pleas. Ever. Most corrupt cabinet we have ever seen. And yeah that's a problem.

No comparison for multiple reasons. The first is they never investigated Obama and his selectees like they did Trump. The second is Obama’s appointee was convicted prior to selection.

There has never been an administration with this type of investigation.