Series Thread: The Rangers Are In LA to Play The Dodgers June 12-13

[Nightcrawler]

And yet you think he’s a trade piece that could bring something back in return...

Do you even read the stuff you post?

I said it out of wishful thinking that someone would take him of our hands.

Even if we just get a bag of baseballs in return.

 

[romeo212000]

I said it out of wishful thinking that someone would take him of our hands.

Even if we just get a bag of baseballs in return.

No. I asked you who you thought we had that would bring something of value. Your threw Barnett’s name out there.

 

[jta4437]

I had read he would be at AA this season, but it was all just a guess.

We have plenty of time to wait for him.

He might still be, who knows how things shake out

 

[jta4437]

No. I asked you who you thought we had that would bring something of value. Your threw Barnett’s name out there.

trolls gonna troll

 

[DT LUNA]

trolls gonna troll

Exactly. He always uses excuses like ...... oh it was sarcasm.

 

[romeo212000]

trolls gonna troll

He’s not a troll. Just a dunce.

 

[donaldson79]

QUALITY START
In less than a week, Elvis Andrus should be back in the Rangers lineup. That will trigger other decisions about the Rangers infield, especially about the future.

Here is what I think I know: Given playing time together in the infield, Jurickson Profar has outplayed Rougned Odor.

But not well enough.

In this season, which is not actually about this season at all, it’s easy to be fooled by even the slightest improvements in play. Yes, Profar has been an offensive improvement over the still-disappointing Odor. But it’s more complicated than that. This season is now about figuring out the long-term future and it’s hard to see where Profar has made a compelling case to be part of that.

Entering Wednesday’s game at Los Angeles, Profar was hitting .242 with a .304 OBP and .762 OPS since moving into the everyday lineup on April 13. It’s a significant improvement over Odor’s similar slash-line elements over the last two seasons: .206/.257/.637. It’s just not significant enough.

The Rangers have a long-term investment in Odor, who has shown some small signs of finally “getting it” in the last two weeks. The Rangers could have him under control through 2023 for, all things considered, pretty reasonable costs whereas Profar is going to be eligible for free agency after 2020. Odor is a year younger and has two full seasons with a higher OPS than what Profar has shown. Odor’s power, which admittedly has not been visible this year, trumps any singular tool Profar has displayed.

I know what you are thinking: But what about shortstop?

The Rangers have a shortstop in Andrus who could opt for free agency after the year. Even if he doesn’t, he’s about to turn 30. Doesn’t Profar fit as a replacement for him? And if Andrus stays, then he could move to third base and Profar could play short and then the Rangers would have a solution to the impending departure of Adrian Beltre.

The thing is: Andrus, despite being five years older, still appears to be a significant defensive upgrade over Profar at short. Of the 25 qualifying shortstops, according to fangraphs.com, Profar ranks 22nd in the defensive runs saved category at -8.

Perhaps, you say, DRS is a projection stat and not an actual stat. OK, well, there is this: He leads all MLB shortstops in errors with 12. There are two guys, the Chicago White Sox Tim Anderson and Oakland’s Marcus Semien, with 11. They have both played at least 90 more innings at short than Profar. Next is a group at eight. They have all played more than 100 innings at short than Profar. The point: Profar has not been very good defensively. Case in point: He simply rushed and threw wildly for error No. 12 Tuesday on what should have been a double play. It extended a big Dodgers inning.

I know you’ve got one other question: Why not send Odor down to send him a message and play Profar for a while?

To this, I would say: Fair point. On the plus side, maybe Profar would raise his trade value a bit by staying in the lineup regularly, too. Ultimately, though, Profar’s value is not great and not going to get significantly greater. Odor is still more part of the future. Profar hasn’t made a clear and compelling case for the Rangers to change directions. Players are smart enough to pick up on this. Send Odor down and it comes across as nothing more than punitive and you risk losing the player’s belief in you.

The bottom line is the Rangers have finally given Jurickson Profar the long-term look he always deserved. He has done OK but has not seized the opportunity.

 

[jta4437]

QUALITY START
In less than a week, Elvis Andrus should be back in the Rangers lineup. That will trigger other decisions about the Rangers infield, especially about the future.

Here is what I think I know: Given playing time together in the infield, Jurickson Profar has outplayed Rougned Odor.

But not well enough.

In this season, which is not actually about this season at all, it’s easy to be fooled by even the slightest improvements in play. Yes, Profar has been an offensive improvement over the still-disappointing Odor. But it’s more complicated than that. This season is now about figuring out the long-term future and it’s hard to see where Profar has made a compelling case to be part of that.

Entering Wednesday’s game at Los Angeles, Profar was hitting .242 with a .304 OBP and .762 OPS since moving into the everyday lineup on April 13. It’s a significant improvement over Odor’s similar slash-line elements over the last two seasons: .206/.257/.637. It’s just not significant enough.

The Rangers have a long-term investment in Odor, who has shown some small signs of finally “getting it” in the last two weeks. The Rangers could have him under control through 2023 for, all things considered, pretty reasonable costs whereas Profar is going to be eligible for free agency after 2020. Odor is a year younger and has two full seasons with a higher OPS than what Profar has shown. Odor’s power, which admittedly has not been visible this year, trumps any singular tool Profar has displayed.

I know what you are thinking: But what about shortstop?

The Rangers have a shortstop in Andrus who could opt for free agency after the year. Even if he doesn’t, he’s about to turn 30. Doesn’t Profar fit as a replacement for him? And if Andrus stays, then he could move to third base and Profar could play short and then the Rangers would have a solution to the impending departure of Adrian Beltre.

The thing is: Andrus, despite being five years older, still appears to be a significant defensive upgrade over Profar at short. Of the 25 qualifying shortstops, according to fangraphs.com, Profar ranks 22nd in the defensive runs saved category at -8.

Perhaps, you say, DRS is a projection stat and not an actual stat. OK, well, there is this: He leads all MLB shortstops in errors with 12. There are two guys, the Chicago White Sox Tim Anderson and Oakland’s Marcus Semien, with 11. They have both played at least 90 more innings at short than Profar. Next is a group at eight. They have all played more than 100 innings at short than Profar. The point: Profar has not been very good defensively. Case in point: He simply rushed and threw wildly for error No. 12 Tuesday on what should have been a double play. It extended a big Dodgers inning.

I know you’ve got one other question: Why not send Odor down to send him a message and play Profar for a while?

To this, I would say: Fair point. On the plus side, maybe Profar would raise his trade value a bit by staying in the lineup regularly, too. Ultimately, though, Profar’s value is not great and not going to get significantly greater. Odor is still more part of the future. Profar hasn’t made a clear and compelling case for the Rangers to change directions. Players are smart enough to pick up on this. Send Odor down and it comes across as nothing more than punitive and you risk losing the player’s belief in you.

The bottom line is the Rangers have finally given Jurickson Profar the long-term look he always deserved. He has done OK but has not seized the opportunity.

Yeah, no... Profar is a better overall player hands down, now and in the future, its just he's not a SS, and he's had plenty of time to show both

 

[Kelleyman]

Re 2nd base. Regardless how this turns out, I think a little competition never hurt anyone

 

[saddles]

QUALITY START
In less than a week, Elvis Andrus should be back in the Rangers lineup. That will trigger other decisions about the Rangers infield, especially about the future.

Here is what I think I know: Given playing time together in the infield, Jurickson Profar has outplayed Rougned Odor.

But not well enough.

In this season, which is not actually about this season at all, it’s easy to be fooled by even the slightest improvements in play. Yes, Profar has been an offensive improvement over the still-disappointing Odor. But it’s more complicated than that. This season is now about figuring out the long-term future and it’s hard to see where Profar has made a compelling case to be part of that.

Entering Wednesday’s game at Los Angeles, Profar was hitting .242 with a .304 OBP and .762 OPS since moving into the everyday lineup on April 13. It’s a significant improvement over Odor’s similar slash-line elements over the last two seasons: .206/.257/.637. It’s just not significant enough.

The Rangers have a long-term investment in Odor, who has shown some small signs of finally “getting it” in the last two weeks. The Rangers could have him under control through 2023 for, all things considered, pretty reasonable costs whereas Profar is going to be eligible for free agency after 2020. Odor is a year younger and has two full seasons with a higher OPS than what Profar has shown. Odor’s power, which admittedly has not been visible this year, trumps any singular tool Profar has displayed.

I know what you are thinking: But what about shortstop?

The Rangers have a shortstop in Andrus who could opt for free agency after the year. Even if he doesn’t, he’s about to turn 30. Doesn’t Profar fit as a replacement for him? And if Andrus stays, then he could move to third base and Profar could play short and then the Rangers would have a solution to the impending departure of Adrian Beltre.

The thing is: Andrus, despite being five years older, still appears to be a significant defensive upgrade over Profar at short. Of the 25 qualifying shortstops, according to fangraphs.com, Profar ranks 22nd in the defensive runs saved category at -8.

Perhaps, you say, DRS is a projection stat and not an actual stat. OK, well, there is this: He leads all MLB shortstops in errors with 12. There are two guys, the Chicago White Sox Tim Anderson and Oakland’s Marcus Semien, with 11. They have both played at least 90 more innings at short than Profar. Next is a group at eight. They have all played more than 100 innings at short than Profar. The point: Profar has not been very good defensively. Case in point: He simply rushed and threw wildly for error No. 12 Tuesday on what should have been a double play. It extended a big Dodgers inning.

I know you’ve got one other question: Why not send Odor down to send him a message and play Profar for a while?

To this, I would say: Fair point. On the plus side, maybe Profar would raise his trade value a bit by staying in the lineup regularly, too. Ultimately, though, Profar’s value is not great and not going to get significantly greater. Odor is still more part of the future. Profar hasn’t made a clear and compelling case for the Rangers to change directions. Players are smart enough to pick up on this. Send Odor down and it comes across as nothing more than punitive and you risk losing the player’s belief in you.

The bottom line is the Rangers have finally given Jurickson Profar the long-term look he always deserved. He has done OK but has not seized the opportunity.

Odor is only a long term investment because the front office made a huge mistake. If you make a decision based on a poor decision in the past you are only making things worse.

That kind of decision making is comes across as stubborn and a lack of ability to admit a mistake. Fans are smart too. This kind of decision making risks losing the fans belief in you.

 

[saddles]

When we are finally in contention again I think neither of those guys will be at 2B. Profar will be gone to another team and Odor will finally be given up on by the team.

 

[romeo212000]

Odor is only a long term investment because the front office made a huge mistake. If you make a decision based on a poor decision in the past you are only making things worse.

That kind of decision making is comes across as stubborn and a lack of ability to admit a mistake. Fans are smart too. This kind of decision making risks losing the fans belief in you.

Surely they understand sunk cost.

 

[Kelleyman]

What do we know for sure re 2nd base

Surely they understand sunk cost.

We have a whole season to see if it is totally sunk. No doubt there was no return on investment last year but there are little rays of hope Odor may make change necessary to bounce back and really reinvent himself.

This is what I see currently.

Profar has more baseball smarts and is better defensively than Odor. Profar has not done well at SS defensively which should be his natural position. This hurst his value Profar is on the cusp of FA and he will have to be paid. There is not a clear spot for him and paying both players for one spot does not make sense. However ther will be a spot at 3rd and maybe at SS. Profar has not wowed us offensively but should improve. We hope Odor does too

We have a sunk season so it is best to wait this out unless you get value for either. Both may be bridge to 2020 season anyways. I hope both do well

 

[romeo212000]

What do we know for sure re 2nd base


We have a whole season to see if it is totally sunk. No doubt there was no return on investment last year but there are little rays of hope Odor may make change necessary to bounce back and really reinvent himself.

This is what I see currently.

Profar has more baseball smarts and is better defensively than Odor. Profar has not done well at SS defensively which should be his natural position. This hurst his value Profar is on the cusp of FA and he will have to be paid. There is not a clear spot for him and paying both players for one spot does not make sense. However ther will be a spot at 3rd and maybe at SS. Profar has not wowed us offensively but should improve. We hope Odor does too

We have a sunk season so it is best to wait this out unless you get value for either. Both may be bridge to 2020 season anyways. I hope both do well

That’s what I was getting at. I’m saying they’ll cut bait when they need to. No need to right now.

 

[saddles]

Odor had some really good short stretches last year as well.

 

[Kelleyman]

Odor had some really good short stretches last year as well.

Well he is taking walks and going the opposite way. This is a bit different and we hope to see this as a permanent change.

Just to be clear I am not here to cheerlead for either. Just want to see season play out. I doubt Odor goes down immediately but I sure hope Profsr gets to play consistently.

 

[jta4437]

What do we know for sure re 2nd base


We have a whole season to see if it is totally sunk. No doubt there was no return on investment last year but there are little rays of hope Odor may make change necessary to bounce back and really reinvent himself.

This is what I see currently.

Profar has more baseball smarts and is better defensively than Odor. Profar has not done well at SS defensively which should be his natural position. This hurst his value Profar is on the cusp of FA and he will have to be paid. There is not a clear spot for him and paying both players for one spot does not make sense. However ther will be a spot at 3rd and maybe at SS. Profar has not wowed us offensively but should improve. We hope Odor does too

We have a sunk season so it is best to wait this out unless you get value for either. Both may be bridge to 2020 season anyways. I hope both do well

Even at his current improved last 10 games, he has a .683 OPS due to lack of power, but history shows, once he hits a HR all improvements at the plate go out the window again

 

[jta4437]

Well he is taking walks and going the opposite way. This is a bit different and we hope to see this as a permanent change.

Just to be clear I am not here to cheerlead for either. Just want to see season play out. I doubt Odor goes down immediately but I sure hope Profsr gets to play consistently.

Once Andrus is back a choice kinda has to be made, there just isn't enough positions on the field to play Odor and Profar

Guzman, Gallo, Beltre, Choo, Profar, Mazara should be in there ahead of Odor

Deshields will be simply bc he plays CF and plays it well, and the other spot is catcher

 

[jta4437]

Odor is only a long term investment because the front office made a huge mistake. If you make a decision based on a poor decision in the past you are only making things worse.

That kind of decision making is comes across as stubborn and a lack of ability to admit a mistake. Fans are smart too. This kind of decision making risks losing the fans belief in you.

Hopefully its just this writers view and not the view of the FO and ownership

 

[Kelleyman]

Even at his current improved last 10 games, he has a .683 OPS due to lack of power, but history shows, once he hits a HR all improvements at the plate go out the window again

I am starting to lose faith in OPS due to untimely strikeouts like Gallo with two on and one out last night.

Just think money has to be a factored in and Profar unfortunately has to be a significant improvement. To me we do the best we can to split time and see if a guy like Beltre and even Choo is moved at the break. Maybe Profar is moved but I doubt it. i think he is stil a JD fav