Jaguars gift Bortles new 3-year, $54M deal

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

They have scott Mac blue prints if they want to use his philosophy or theme we will see.. it's up to Doug William's

 

[Sleepy T]

I would say he is doing exactly what any of us would do after six years in DC, three of which the front office showed zero commitment to him. I do find it odd that people fault Cousins for this, but many are applauding Smith for doing the exact same thing in basically saying he would only except a trade to a team that was willing to extend him.

This has nothing to do with what happened with Cousins in DC.

If this is in fact true, do you not think that wanting a 3-4 year contract (vs a 5-6 year contract) at 85-100% fully guaranteed, probably at $30million plus a year, is a little bit of a ask for him???

I understand he wants to set the bar high to start negotiations... but that to me does not scream “money isn’t everything”, “I want to go where I can win”, “I want a LONG TERM commitment. That screams that he wants have his cake and eat it to. That he wants to maximize his earning power so he can possibly get one more HUGE contract before his skills go to complete shit and/or he retires.

 

[Sharkinva]

This has nothing to do with what happened with Cousins in DC.

If this is in fact true, do you not think that wanting a 3-4 year contract (vs a 5-6 year contract) at 85-100% fully guaranteed, probably at $30million plus a year, is a little bit of a ask for him???

I understand he wants to set the bar high to start negotiations... but that to me does not scream “money isn’t everything”, “I want to go where I can win”, “I want a LONG TERM commitment. That screams that he wants have his cake and eat it to. That he wants to maximize his earning power so he can possibly get one more HUGE contract before his skills go to complete shit and/or he retires.

Look I know you are barely past the legal drinking age. But most folks that have had a BAD experience at their last company, go above and beyond to make sure they dont get stuck in the same situation at the next company. So it does have alot to do with how he was handled the last six years.

I agree he is trying to maximize his earning potential. But again, given the situation you or I would do the exact same thing. And yes how things went down in DC will have a bearing on how he deals with his next contract negotiation as well as the one after that if there is one.

I will also again point out.. you are dogging Cousins for doing EXACTLY what Smith just masterfully pulled off. Fuck winning, Im going where I can get a long term extension before my skill start to erode. So if they were not willing to give him a new contract, he wanted no parts of them. Because lets face it, he would likely be closer to winning in Denver than DC right now.

 

[gkekoa]

I will say this...I wouldn’t give anybody 30 mil a season without five years.

 

[Sleepy T]

Look I know you are barely past the legal drinking age. But most folks that have had a BAD experience at their last company, go above and beyond to make sure they dont get stuck in the same situation at the next company. So it does have alot to do with how he was handled the last six years.

I agree he is trying to maximize his earning potential. But again, given the situation you or I would do the exact same thing. And yes how things went down in DC will have a bearing on how he deals with his next contract negotiation as well as the one after that if there is one.

I will also again point out.. you are dogging Cousins for doing EXACTLY what Smith just masterfully pulled off. Fuck winning, Im going where I can get a long term extension before my skill start to erode. So if they were not willing to give him a new contract, he wanted no parts of them. Because lets face it, he would likely be closer to winning in Denver than DC right now.

I’m 42 years old dude..had plenty of jobs, good and bad. Former military just like you, so I know what’s it’s like to be shit on a little bit.

I’m not hating on the guy for possibly trying to play the game to give him and his family everything he wants for the next 6-7 years. But that’s just not very realistic. He wants to make a crazy shitload of $$$ during that course of time while maintaining all of the leverage during almost that entirety of that time period as well. At the end or close to the end of a 3-4 year contract, he is playing this tag or pay shit tons game all over again with some other team. It is also gives him a possible out if he gets his wittle feelings hurt by the next GM. The other team has no out in this situation (assuming this report is true), he is really trying to go where no QB has ever gone before.

I’m with @gkekoa. No way I am even entertaining paying this guy that much money and committing to him if he isn’t willing to sign at least a 5 year deal. Dude might walk away from you after 3 years and 100 million later. Maybe that’s his plan? Make as much as he possibly can in 3-4 years and walk away from football?

 

[Sharkinva]

I’m 42 years old dude..had plenty of jobs, good and bad. Former military just like you, so I know what’s it’s like to be shit on a little bit.

I’m not hating on the guy for possibly trying to play the game to give him and his family everything he wants for the next 6-7 years. But that’s just not very realistic. He wants to make a crazy shitload of $$$ during that course of time while maintaining all of the leverage during almost that entirety of that time period as well. At the end or close to the end of a 3-4 year contract, he is playing this tag or pay shit tons game all over again with some other team. It is also gives him a possible out if he gets his wittle feelings hurt by the next GM. The other team has no out in this situation (assuming this report is true), he is really trying to go where no QB has ever gone before.

I’m with @gkekoa. No way I am even entertaining paying this guy that much money and committing to him if he isn’t willing to sign at least a 5 year deal. Dude might walk away from you after 3 years and 100 million later. Maybe that’s his plan? Make as much as he possibly can in 3-4 years and walk away from football?

OK first off my bad for lumping you in with our general millennial brood around here.

But I still think there two sets of rules in play here.. possibly three.

1. Kirk Rules. Where in he is never worth what he is asking for. No way would people pay him that much. And folks are looking for every possible reason on the planet to say, he wasnt worth it.. needs to go and the Skins were smart.

2. The every one else rule. Because reality is, in his position we would all play that shit to the hilt. make every dollar we can. Want to be accepted and wanted by the company and the fan base.

Put yourself in a similar position. Or at the very least, treat him as you would any other QB. Smith has played the exact same game as far as contracts, trades and money goes. No one is proclaiming him as the devil who is just out for money. Because as i said, if it were more about getting a ring before he hangs up the cleats....

Washington would be the last place he or any one else would want to be at present. Especially at the age of 34.

 

[skinsdad62]

Nope, it was because he was offered a contract in 2014-2015 that makes people responding to it shortsighted. Right or not some accepted the notion that he would sign it, while others figured that he would not sign, weigh his options and proceed accordingly. If we cannot admit that Kirk and his agent were smarter than Bruce Allen and whomever then it makes sense that Kirk might have signed the first contract similar in time as Bortles. Really good agents look and plan ahead. In this case, it was easy to see the options as Kirk's first contract was ending. One of those options was to wait, in fact, looking back, it was the only prudent option. Then all they had to do was let Kirk put something meaningful on his resume' and then exercise one of them.

Face getting cut/ traded
Accept the original offer
Get a better contract
Accept the tag

How else do you guys define "betting on himself?" That asked, I must admit that I hadn't thought of a lot of the details back then, but as I've said time and again, it was most likely instinct that had me convinced that Kirk wouldn't sign a LTD here, especially that one.

he would have signed it sty , it was killed by allen , you are totally missing the in initial offers which have been documented

 

[Stymietee]

Here I see why KC would have signed.

After his rookie contract, he accumulated 2 million dollars in t was four years in the league.

When he was offered 12 mil a season, he would have accepted it because he didn’t have much put away and had proven nothing. When he was offered 16 mil, he still hadn’t concluded his rookie contract, he would have accepted it.

He bet on himself once he had a guaranteed 19 million dollar contract, his first franchise tag.

Here's the interesting thing about this, I find it highly possible that there were people like yourself, @dad and others who were convinced that Kirk would sign that initial offer. In fact, it was the dominant take away at the time. This viewpoint was not without detractors however, and these other opinions must be taken into account in light of all that's happened since then. I believe that dominant majority, (and I can't remember if I posted a response to this back then or not) felt it to be a fair offer and mostly without options for Kirk, because he really had nothing in terms of a resume to rely upon.

The debate point today still seems to be a reluctance to accept that this organization his a storied history of screwing up basic things, or for whatever reasons, those in the minority had it right.

 

[Stymietee]

he would have signed it sty , it was killed by allen , you are totally missing the in initial offers which have been documented

It's only a guess that he would have signed it had Allen not nixed it. What Actually happened was Allen nixed it, there was nothing to sign and we end up where we are today. This organizations motto is, "If we haven't screwed it up...Wait. " We must NEVER forget this and temper our expectations or risk setting ourselves up for disappointment. The entire Kirk Cousins debacle is just the latest example.

 

[Rowdy]

Nobody really knows rather he’d of signed it or not. Based on the deal he is looking for now, and all things up to this point, as I’ve said previously he and his agent believed more in him than to just sign a mediocre deal. Btw, if it works I don’t fault him and I really wish he was our qb, but I’m not understanding all the hate for smith. I’ve always been a fan. Niners screwed the pooch benching him for kaep.

 

[Mitziman]

Put yourself in a similar position. Or at the very least, treat him as you would any other QB. Smith has played the exact same game as far as contracts, trades and money goes. No one is proclaiming him as the devil who is just out for money. Because as i said, if it were more about getting a ring before he hangs up the cleats....

Washington would be the last place he or any one else would want to be at present. Especially at the age of 34.[/QUOTE]



Alex had a front row seat how a healthy Redskins team could be a contender. Any good NFL QB, of any age could see themselves winning with that team on the field in week 4 before the injuries mounted…it’s too bad you can’t see that.

 

[Sharkinva]

Alex had a front row seat how a healthy Redskins team could be a contender. Any good NFL QB, of any age could see themselves winning with that team on the field in week 4 before the injuries mounted…it’s too bad you can’t see that.

Look.. its cool you have faith in Bruce and Dan.

But reality is, Smith chose the Redskins for one reason.... the Extension. He went after the money and the long term contract that no one else was going to give him.

 

[Mitziman]

Look.. its cool you have faith in Bruce and Dan.

But reality is, Smith chose the Redskins for one reason.... the Extension. He went after the money and the long term contract that no one else was going to give him.

And, you know that as fact right shark? I know you are a long time, die-hard Skins fan shark...it will be OK

 

[Sharkinva]

And, you know that as fact right shark? I know you are a long time, die-hard Skins fan shark...it will be OK

I know the report was Smith chose the Redskins because they were the only team willing to give him an extension. Sure report could be wrong, but I have more faith in this report than anything coming out of that ass Bruce calls a mouth.

 

[Breed]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/predom...rtedly-looking-high-guarantees-low-years/amp/

Rumor as of now...We will see how this all shakes out.

But if true, this debunks a lot of things KC has said and is a bit of egg on his face.

I’ve said all along that given his age, KC is trying to maximize his career earnings at all costs. Stay tuned.

What does the Doom Crew have to say about this??? What are your thoughts if this is true? @gkekoa @skinsdad62 @Sharkinva @Skins2021

If the article is true. Its hard to look at this in any other way aside from Kirk trying to have his cake and eat it to.

 

[Sharkinva]

If the article is true. Its hard to look at this in any other way aside from Kirk trying to have his cake and eat it to.

He could also be looking at the fact that the current CBA expires in 2021. Three years would take him through the 2020 season.