POLL Blake Bortles: Bust?

[Rock Strongo]

And you mentioned 95 or better passer rating. Only 7 QBs of All Time have career average of 95 or better. Tony Romo and Steve Young are the only ones that have retired.

god you arent following

eras!!!

ERAS!!!

this generation had matt schaub with a nearly 5k yard season. matt schaub! he had a 69 game stretch with a 94 rating. matt schaub!

 

[iowajerms]

god you arent following

eras!!!

ERAS!!!

this generation had matt schaub with a nearly 5k yard season. matt schaub! he had a 69 game stretch with a 94 rating. matt schaub!

Okay. 4 active players have averaged 95 passer rating or better. 1 of them started his career after 2010 - Russell Wilson. 8 active players have averaged 90 passer rating or better. 2 of them started his career after 2010 - add Kirk Cousins.

But that is one of the criterias you have of not being a bust. You want him to have stats that are elite in today's standard for not being a "bust".

 

[Rock Strongo]

He's more accurate, throwing less INTs, setting sacked less, highest QBR of his career. He's getting better when the team needs him to get better. About 8 less attempts a game. He's making smarter throws with those lesser attempts. He's still not a top 15 QB, but like I've said, the thread was all about whether he can get better or not and he's gotten better.

because hes throwing less. fewer drop backs = fewer sacks. fewer passes means fewer INT's (and TD's as we see too, only 19)

of course his QBR is the highest of his career. hes thrown 100 fewer passes. reduced risk of INT, fumble, etc. its why they...had him throw 100 fewer passes.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Okay. 4 active players have averaged 95 passer rating or better. 1 of them started his career after 2010 - Russell Wilson. 8 active players have averaged 90 passer rating or better. 2 of them started his career after 2010 - add Kirk Cousins.

But that is one of the criterias you have of not being a bust. You want him to have stats that are elite in today's standard for not being a "bust".

yup, 95+ rating. i never said "career"...i said (verbatim) "do it a few years". like even the football retarded matt schaub did. he had a nice 3 year run (i did 4, but remove the 4th...hes at 96 or so)

 

[Yo Tee]

First 5 home games: 23-37, 248 yards, 1.6 TDs, .8 INTs
Last 3 home games: 21.6 - 30.3, 301 yards, 2.3 TDs, 0 INTs

Throwing it less but more accurate and less mistakes.

 

[Yo Tee]

because hes throwing less. fewer drop backs = fewer sacks. fewer passes means fewer INT's (and TD's as we see too, only 19)

of course his QBR is the highest of his career. hes thrown 100 fewer passes. reduced risk of INT, fumble, etc. its why they...had him throw 100 fewer passes.

Okay, so change the gameplan to make Bortles more comfortable. He's throwing less but he's more accurate and making less mistakes. Not rocket science. Dude is better when he throws less and that's not a sign of a bad QB. Not his fault he's finally got a defense and a running game he can fall back on.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Okay, so change the gameplan to make Bortles more comfortable. He's throwing less but he's more accurate and making less mistakes. Not rocket science. Dude is better when he throws less and that's not a sign of a bad QB. Not his fault he's finally got a defense and a running game he can fall back on.

and where was he picked again?

you REALLY think the jags envisioned this lack of progression?

"lets draft this bortles kid. we'll get him down to 30 attempts or less and we can win with him"

he averaged 40 per game last year.

 

[Yo Tee]

and where was he picked again?

you REALLY think the jags envisioned this lack of progression?

"lets draft this bortles kid. we'll get him down to 30 attempts or less and we can win with him"

he averaged 40 per game last year.

He was picked 3rd.

No they didn't.

It's called adapting. Bortles throwing that much obviously wasn't a good gameplan. But you needed to because you didn't have a running back and they have a shit defense. Now that they have Fournette and a healthy powerhouse defense, you don't need to rely on your QBs arm so much. And the gameplan of using your actually effective running game, which means using your QBs arm as much and being able to rely on your defense to make stops had helped Jacksonville tremendously. Bortles throwing 40 times a game wasn't working. They needed to give him help. He's got help, and now he's throwing less, he's more accurate, making less mistakes and getting better as the season goes. Like I said, he's still not a top 15 QB, but now that he's got help, I'm sure he's not forcing things, he's not making stupid throws and he's probably a lot more confident with his defense to make stops on the field.

 

[Rock Strongo]

He was picked 3rd.

No they didn't.

It's called adapting. Bortles throwing that much obviously wasn't a good gameplan. But you needed to because you didn't have a running back and they have a shit defense. Now that they have Fournette and a healthy powerhouse defense, you don't need to rely on your QBs arm so much. And the gameplan of using your actually effective running game, which means using your QBs arm as much and being able to rely on your defense to make stops had helped Jacksonville tremendously. Bortles throwing 40 times a game wasn't working. They needed to give him help. He's got help, and now he's throwing less, he's more accurate, making less mistakes and getting better as the season goes.

this is his rating by game this year

86.4
63.7
128.2
52.1
48.2
83.2
124.7
91.9
60.3
81.8
57.6

** his 3 game annual run**

119.8 (he beat our 3rd string QB from last year on a terrible colts team)
123.7 (beat a bad seattle team thats nothing outside of wilson, and this isnt the 2013 hawks defense)
143.7 (texans?)

his last 3 opponents have a combined 15-27 record

 

[Yo Tee]

this is his rating by game this year

86.4
63.7
128.2
52.1
48.2
83.2
124.7
91.9
60.3
81.8
57.6

** his 3 game annual run**

119.8 (he beat our 3rd string QB from last year on a terrible colts team)
123.7 (beat a bad seattle team thats nothing outside of wilson, and this isnt the 2013 hawks defense)
143.7 (texans?)

his last 3 opponents have a combined 15-27 record

I'm curious...where were his annual 3 game stretches in his previous seasons?

Blake Bortles 2016 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Blake Bortles 2015 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Blake Bortles 2014 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He's playing the way his team needs him to play in the most important time of a Jaguars season for over 10 years. If he were trash or a bust, don't you think he would've choked by now? If he were trash, no matter what team he's playing, would he have a QBR or over 129 over the last 3 games? Or a QBR of over 96 since the bye week? 5 INTs before the bye week, 3 INTs after. 9 TDs before the bye week, 10 TDs after.

 

[Ricky Roma]

If your QB was picked #3 overall in any draft, there are some expectations. You want him to be Unitas/Montana/Rodgers/Garoppolo....a guy who can singlehandedly turn your team around. A guy who makes everybody better. That's not realistic, so forget about that.

#3 overall? He better be an upper echelon guy. A QB that can win some games, be a leader of men....a guy you can rally around. He's gotta be a guy that even when the defense keys on you....that guy can still beat them. He's got to be someone who is viewed with the top dudes in the game year in, year out.

Blake Bortles isn't close to that. He's obviously a guy that has benefitted from a high level defense behind him, and a ground-oriented offense that opens up the passing game. He's had a nice couple of games lately, but even with that, his overall QB rating is still right in the middle of the pack. If the Jags are severely reducing his attempts, for a #3 overall pick, they are admitting they are doing their best to hide him. Protect him, and the team from self-implosion.

If anything, the Jacksonville Jaguars are telling you he's getting worse.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I'm curious...where were his annual 3 game stretches in his previous seasons?

Blake Bortles 2016 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Blake Bortles 2015 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Blake Bortles 2014 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He's playing the way his team needs him to play in the most important time of a Jaguars season for over 10 years. If he were trash or a bust, don't you think he would've choked by now? If he were trash, no matter what team he's playing, would he have a QBR or over 129 over the last 3 games? Or a QBR of over 96 since the bye week? 5 INTs before the bye week, 3 INTs after. 9 TDs before the bye week, 10 TDs after.

i...listed them already?

go back. he had a 2-3 game run in 2015, with a ridiculous rating. he ended 2016 with a 99+ rating over his final 2 games. every year after his rookie year, hes good for 2-3 games in a row among a pile of steaming shit.

i originally said 2 games, somehow i changed it to 3.

 

[Rock Strongo]

lmao

"in december"


he had a 99 rating over the last 2 games in 2016 too (2 TD's, no picks). shit, weeks 12 and 13 in 2015 he had a 128.3 rating with 8 TD's and no picks.

he does this every year for short stints.

this

 

[Yo Tee]

i...listed them already?

go back. he had a 2-3 game run in 2015, with a ridiculous rating. he ended 2016 with a 100+ rating over his final 2 game. every year after his rookie year, hes good for 2-3 games in a row among a pike of steaming shit.

He's getting better, his stats show me that and there are various articles form sports writers who say the same thing. You can't fault his 8 less attempts a game on him because the Jags actually have a supporting cast around him. They actually have a running back and a defense that can actually make stops. He doesn't need to throw as much as he has. The gameplan of lowering his attempts is working and he seems to play better when he throws less. That's not a knock on him as a QB, that might be a testament of how much more comfortable Bortles feels the less the team relies on his arm. He's getting better as a QB, the team overall has improved dramatically. That was the point of the thread. Is he a bust or can he turn it around? He's turning it around.

 

[Rock Strongo]

He's getting better, his stats show me that and there are various articles form sports writers who say the same thing. You can't fault his 8 less attempts a game on him because the Jags actually have a supporting cast around him. They actually have a running back and a defense that can actually make stops. He doesn't need to throw as much as he has. The gameplan of lowering his attempts is working and he seems to play better when he throws less. That's not a knock on him as a QB, that might be a testament of how much more comfortable Bortles feels the less the team relies on his arm. He's getting better as a QB, the team overall has improved dramatically. That was the point of the thread. Is he a bust or can he turn it around? He's turning it around.

its 10 fewer attempts, or there abouts. "getting better" is a consistent improvement, a gradient if you will.


rating by year

69.5
88.2
78.8
89.7

i need to see steady up ticks in that rating over 3-4 years before I buy any bridges in brooklyn. as of now, its been suck, less suck, suck again, slightly better than his last less suck.

 

[Yo Tee]

its 10 fewer attempts, or there abouts. "getting better" is a consistent improvement, a gradient if you will.


rating by year

69.5
88.2
78.8
89.7

i need to see steady up ticks in that rating over 3-4 years before I buy any bridges in brooklyn. as of now, its been suck, less suck, suck again, slightly better than his last less suck.

I don't think this team would be so improved if the QB wasn't at least a little bit better. Like I've said, he's still not a top 15 QB right now but this might actually be the best season he's had.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I don't think this team would be so improved if the QB wasn't at least a little bit better. Like I've said, he's still not a top 15 QB right now but this might actually be the best season he's had.

yup

rating around 90
60%
3500 yards
20 TD's or so, 8-10 picks.

game manager, and thats fine. but a #3 pick isnt suppose to be that. thats a 4th round pick.

they drafted him for his arm, not his brain...which he apparently lacks, not knowing what time zone NE is in compared to florida.

 

[Yo Tee]

yup

rating around 90
60%
3500 yards
20 TD's or so, 8-10 picks.

game manager, and thats fine. but a #3 pick isnt suppose to be that. thats a 4th round pick.

they drafted him for his arm, not his brain...which he apparently lacks, not knowing what time zone NE is in compared to florida.

Noone ever claimed he was the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

[Ewa PGH Fan]

yup.

Nice Avi Rock. Just curious but Pats won so why the Steeler Avi???

And a much much better pick then Face's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rock Strongo]

Nice Avi Rock. Just curious but Pats won so why the Steeler Avi???

And a much much better pick then Face's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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